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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Torn
01.11.2012 , 05:03 PM | #771
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthHendo View Post
I will agree with this thread. I am currently playing a 50 Sorcerer heal spec. It is impossible for me to heal through the damage they can output solo. They wont even interrupt my casts, simply stun and power through all my bubbles and heals. I don't think that healers should be immortal at all, but at least give me a fighting chance.

I may be able to get away with a electrocute, force speed away, but if those arent up, and I try to stand my ground, I will die at the hands of an operative/scoundrel. From my point of view, which is limited to this class atm, they either need to tone down the damage, or give a slight buff to healers. I should be able to keep up single targets against other single targets with no cc or interupts on me. Just sayin.
^^^ As it should be dumb - *** - So you think you should be able to heal through a burst DPSes damage? Then you would be WAY OP - then all healers would be OP - they are meant to kill healers like you - get used to it
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MasterSailor
01.11.2012 , 05:29 PM | #772
There are several things you need to consider here. Are we talking open world PvP or are we talking about Warzones? Are you geared? Are they geared? Did you even consider using the CC breaker? Are they stacking multiple expertise buffs? etc...

Every MMO I've played, people are quick to say nerf a paticular class because they're not on top of the food chain.

Why not research that class, see their weaknesses. Play the class and see for yourself what makes them tick.
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Miothan
01.11.2012 , 05:30 PM | #773
Quote: Originally Posted by Migrayn View Post
Can't you use the medpacks, and consumables too or are they scoundrel/operative only?

I have not see a consumable yet that said it was for a scoundrel/operative only.

Would it be more fair if you only took say 50% of your health during the knockdown, then were able to lightning the scoundrel to death from full health to 0 before he could finish you off?

You wan't to win every fight even if someone else gets the jump on you?

I wan't to stun people with electricity and twice in a row and kill them from 30m away.

I'd like to force jump from the basement up to the top ramp in hutball.

I'd like to force run through the fire and not take any damage.

I'd like to fire missles over and over that never seem to miss and do a ton of damage.

I'd like to choke someone in the acid or fire so they die almost instantly.

I'd like to yank someone down from the top ramp into the acid so they die.

I'd like to force push someone off away from the goal line and into the basement and laugh that they can't score.

I'd like to force sprint to the health powerup just to keep my target from getting it.


Every class is over powered in one way or another.

My BH does not have a problem with scoundrels or OPs. Only high expertise ones. Expertise is the issue, not a squishy class that uses the same consumables and same medpacks that I use.
Most of the things you listed are just gimic things, and only works in huttball anyway.....

And i dont see how being able to Choose when and where to attack yourm target and then kill it in a knockdown would NOT be OP, explain that.

And also, you say its high expertise, but thats not the problem, i have 8% exp, and i still die in the knockdown duration from Scoundrels, no other class in a Warzone can kill me that fast or Solo for that matter, since i am a healer and i know how to run away if im getting pounded, but i dont get the chance to run away from a Scoundrel cause they burst me down before i can even run.
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zepfya
01.11.2012 , 06:26 PM | #774
Quote: Originally Posted by Miothan View Post
Most of the things you listed are just gimic things, and only works in huttball anyway.....

And i dont see how being able to Choose when and where to attack yourm target and then kill it in a knockdown would NOT be OP, explain that.

And also, you say its high expertise, but thats not the problem, i have 8% exp, and i still die in the knockdown duration from Scoundrels, no other class in a Warzone can kill me that fast or Solo for that matter, since i am a healer and i know how to run away if im getting pounded, but i dont get the chance to run away from a Scoundrel cause they burst me down before i can even run.
So you said no other class can kill you solo, and yet scoundrels are oped right?

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Hambunctious
01.11.2012 , 06:31 PM | #775
Quote: Originally Posted by zepfya View Post
So you said no other class can kill you solo, and yet scoundrels are oped right?
Any AC that can heal is OP, and pure specced healers ARE OP. Operatives, and scoundrels are more so.

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Derfmiolleh
01.11.2012 , 06:39 PM | #776
Quote: Originally Posted by Bandelederen View Post
So me and another level 50 runs op to cap this point in the Alderaan warzone. Out of nowhere this scoundrel opens up and obliterates the other lvl 50 before I can even react. He then vanishes and opens up on me with a stun.

At this point im thinking surely he cannot do the same thing to me, he just did to the other guy 8 seconds ago. Boy was I wrong.

STUN
4.7k
3.8k
3.0k
STUN OVER

At this point I have about 10% of my hp left and the fight is over. He just creamed the both of us in less than 20 seconds and hes still got 90% hp left.


And tbh this is not the only time I've witnessed these scenarios with scoundrels completely destroying people in a single stun. This needs to be addressed immediatly.
Talented Scoundrels can sure woop some booty. Next time you and your girlfriend get spanked you should post the name of the stud that farmed you so we can respect them properly.

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Miothan
01.11.2012 , 06:40 PM | #777
Quote: Originally Posted by zepfya View Post
So you said no other class can kill you solo, and yet scoundrels are oped right?
I said i know how to RUN AWAY, i do have force speed and purge.....

And that is only in 1on1 situations where i can simply run away, am i OP cause i can run away ?
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Mooby
01.11.2012 , 07:10 PM | #778
Burst = 50% of someones health in a few seconds.
Overpowered = 90% - 100% of someones health in a few seconds

From what I've seen, any good Op / Scoundrel will fall into the second category. They *can be* too bursty (avoiding using "are" because not all are, I'd imagine when they are sufficiently geared at level 50 with 10% expertise this problem comes into affect). The damage that they are capable of inflicting in a few seconds is just utterly insane and should be toned down. Hopefully not a knee jerk nerf, they should be bursty, just not 13k+ health in a few seconds bursty.

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zepfya
01.11.2012 , 07:11 PM | #779
13k plus in a few seconds, stop it. If you're in champion gear you wont even get hit for half of that...

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Miothan
01.11.2012 , 07:17 PM | #780
Quote: Originally Posted by zepfya View Post
13k plus in a few seconds, stop it. If you're in champion gear you wont even get hit for half of that...
Watch a few Youtube vids if you do not believe it yourself. Or just experience it yourself in a WZ, even with a lot of exp rating you will still take way too much damage in a few gcd's, and to much for it to ever be acceptable.
Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time. ~H.L. Mencken