Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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biowareftw

12.30.2011 , 05:16 PM \| #261	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Xaes If you like it so much roll one. You'll be joining the legions of Sorcs/Sages rerolling at 50. Also, stop using scoreboards to judge damage. My Guardian friend always beats my Shadow in raw damage. Because he is alive 24/7 doing mediocre damage. I come in kill 3 people, then die. I scoreboard less damage, but in reality I do a lot more. Played one in beta. Sorry the class was too boring for me. Pressing a dot, aiming a dot and spamming one button in between a proc isn't my idea of fun. The only range in this game that is any challenge to play at all or fun is gunslinger/sniper. I imagine their will be calls for nerfs on them when people learn to play them as I and others were tearing it up in beta on one... Can't wait till people figure out to legshot people at halfhealth, then send them to valhalla with a burst execute shot. All the people in this thread will then be complaining about slingers/snipers.
Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.- Nikola Tesla - New York Times (11 July 1935)

Balmuck

12.30.2011 , 05:17 PM \| #262	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Daoc sucked. UO was good pre UOR (FiZBaN Deathjester's Chesapeake), WaR was horrible. WoW pvp was designed by the same person who did UO's, which is why it was so fluid at release. Oh and the people in beta were horrible. Noone cares. The fact you even had to run premades or thought the pvp was good in beta is hilarious. Half the players were SW Galaxy and rpers who clicked their abilities lol. The fact you think WoW pvp was bad shows how silly you are. It wasn't perfect but it at least could be played competitively. The games you mentioned were laughed at by the PvP community. Level your op/scoundrel on The fatman. Come see me. Liu-kang. But that won't happen will it? You are going back to a sorcerer because it is the only class you can play well huh... Waaaaaaaaah. Remove my counter. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I could be the best player EVER on a op class, but I am not playing that class. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah. Pathetic. How about you come to Belgoth's Beacon? WoW PVP WAS AND IS, complete and utter trash. It revolved around nothing more then retarded stun locks and healers who did nothing except mouse over people's characters. There is nothing else I can say about WoW's PVP then that there is such thing as ONE SHOT macros. Your class is gonna get hit with another 10% damage reduction and there ain't **** you can do about it.
FULKAN You can run, but you'll only die tired.

Balmuck

12.30.2011 , 05:18 PM \| #263	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Played one in beta. Sorry the class was too boring for me. Pressing a dot, aiming a dot and spamming one button in between a proc isn't my idea of fun. The only range in this game that is any challenge to play at all or fun is gunslinger/sniper. I imagine their will be calls for nerfs on them when people learn to play them as I and others were tearing it up in beta on one... Can't wait till people figure out to legshot people at halfhealth, then send them to valhalla with a burst execute shot. All the people in this thread will then be complaining about slingers/snipers. 36 meters > Snipers
FULKAN You can run, but you'll only die tired.

Liberate

12.30.2011 , 05:23 PM \| #264	Quote
Scoundrels/ops are the whipping boy 1-40, the other teams SWARM me when I break stealth. So they tear you up in 1 v 1, that's what a stealth class who can choose the context of the fight does. Lets not mention the chain knockbacks from everyone being an inquisitor, BH, or commando
Liberate

biowareftw

12.30.2011 , 05:28 PM \| #265	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Balmuck How about you come to Belgoth's Beacon? WoW PVP WAS AND IS, complete and utter trash. It revolved around nothing more then retarded stun locks and healers who did nothing except mouse over people's characters. There is nothing else I can say about WoW's PVP then that there is such thing as ONE SHOT macros. Your class is gonna get hit with another 10% damage reduction and there ain't **** you can do about it. Want to make a bet which class gets nerfed first? I bet it is the one that is easiest to play, with the most players playing it. Just a hunch... See ret paladins, frost dk's. Then again I am not calling for a nerf of that class. The problem is even people like you can press 2 dots, spam one button and hit a proc from 30 yards away... Meanwhile players like you who play op's/scoundrels do 100-150 k dmg. Do I look worried? The heal spec of operative is far more op as is the sage heal spec when paired with tank guard. Go after their dps spec though. NERF NERF NERF. One shot macros and "stunlocks". That hasn't existed since resilience buddy. Lol at people watching Swifty videos. This is where I stop talking to you. It is like arguing with people on the WoW forums who had no resilience. It is pointless.
Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.- Nikola Tesla - New York Times (11 July 1935)

PhobosTiger

12.30.2011 , 05:47 PM \| #266	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Munx He can trinket it all he wants, biowares funky *** resolve system wont give you enough resolve for immunity until u've been stunned twice, despite the insane duration of the agents stuns. PS: This is even worse in Huttball, when the agent can simply use vent to escape when he done his deed. Zetara, well then its not a burst class it is now? that is sustained damage. As soon as an Operative's/Scoundrel's opening stun happens, the resolve meter is full. That opening stun gives you COMPLETE IMMUNITY for the next 10 or more seconds. Trinket the stun, dot him or kill him.
╫ Fracking Rebels ╫ ╫ Imperial Agent Sniper ╫ My livestream!

Balmuck

12.30.2011 , 05:52 PM \| #267	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Want to make a bet which class gets nerfed first? I bet it is the one that is easiest to play, with the most players playing it. Just a hunch... See ret paladins, frost dk's. Then again I am not calling for a nerf of that class. The problem is even people like you can press 2 dots, spam one button and hit a proc from 30 yards away... Meanwhile players like you who play op's/scoundrels do 100-150 k dmg. Do I look worried? The heal spec of operative is far more op as is the sage heal spec when paired with tank guard. Go after their dps spec though. NERF NERF NERF. One shot macros and "stunlocks". That hasn't existed since resilience buddy. Lol at people watching Swifty videos. This is where I stop talking to you. It is like arguing with people on the WoW forums who had no resilience. It is pointless. First, I don't give a ** about what class gets nerfed or whatever. I play whatever the I want. Second, I have no ********* idea who Swiftly is. As I said, I've never touched WoW. Third. Every class is easy. Each class can has potential but the potential for melee OP's and Smuggs are way out of line. Sages and Sorcs are plenty. Few can achieve the maximum that the class offers. Also...don't talk about numbers. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t..._50_769000.jpg http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t..._44_315000.jpg 200/200 is average. All our melee Smugglers average about 300-400k damage per Warzone. If we fight premades, that can easily reach excess of 500k.
FULKAN You can run, but you'll only die tired.

Kadabrax

12.30.2011 , 06:07 PM \| #268	Quote
All the bad pvp kids saying Operatives are fine have obviously not played against a geared lvl 50 operative. I dont really care tho, Having about 200+ Warzone games played with only 5 losses doesn't bother me.

voidsurvivor

12.30.2011 , 06:08 PM \| #269	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Balmuck Also...don't talk about numbers. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t..._50_769000.jpg http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t..._44_315000.jpg 200/200 is average. All our melee Smugglers average about 300-400k damage per Warzone. If we fight premades, that can easily reach excess of 500k. So you do 300k damage on a Sage with 200k healing. Your scoundrels do (let's be generous) 400k damage, probably with 80k healing. How exactly is that OP? I am not sure what these screenshots are supposed to show.
Quote: Originally Posted by Mhak If I only ever played SWTOR and Neopets at release I would give a slight edge to SWTOR's pvp as well. Very slight.

Adhok

12.30.2011 , 06:11 PM \| #270	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zetara Maybe you need to PVP more. They are not OP, their damage does not need to be turned down, it needs to be high because they can do nothing else. If you target them while they are uncloaked, you mince them. They are nowhere NEAR the gods of PVP. Go and actually PVP. Every class has something that seems overpowered. Every. One. Watch a decent premade have a jug/tankadin guard said operative/scoundrel and have a SINGLE healer who isn't asleep at the keyboard.. and now it's an unstoppable **** machine that you can TROLOLOLOLO all day long with. I literally got taken down to 1k health as a tankassin by another 50 scoundrel while stunned. If I don't have my 2 minute unbreakable will up I'm dead. And the second I use it I'm guaranteed to be cc'd into oblivion by every other class. Non stop crits, stuns that last entirely too long in pvp, it's not just scoundrels that are broken right now, it's cc in general. Add their insane burst on top of that and it's a joke.

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