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PvP Deception vs. PvP Madness


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Moaning
04.10.2012 , 11:10 PM | #31
Madness is awesome! I was deception for the longest time (had even tried madness in the middle of my deception loving for about a day and thought it was ridiculous...melee + wanna be sorc? no thanks) then as i became bored with deception i gave madness one more try, and have been madness since that point. You just have to go in knowing it's a different style than the 1 2 burst dead combo of deception, and although it's different in that sense you still get plenty of kills and have more survivability.
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roysterer
04.11.2012 , 02:23 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by -Vox View Post


To that person that uses Dark Ward and a Shield Generator for a Maddness spec...i feel sorry for you...lol you should stop that immediately.


If anything, just pop into the tank stance if you have the ball in Huttball. If you have healers and BM gear, u will be OK, esp if in scoring range.

There is a contradiction somewhere in here if you look for it.

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cupofwater
04.11.2012 , 01:57 PM | #33
Madness is an awesome pressure damage build. IMO has the most spammable dots with aoe death field and above decent thrashes.

Deception is for bursting key players. I've seen an awesome (mirror spec deception) shadow on republic side. But other then him it's hard to find good deception spec'd assassin.
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Kurfer
04.11.2012 , 03:53 PM | #34
Deception feels like a gimped marauder, I love the madness play style but this *********** huttball crap makes non tank assassins shunned.

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toshman
04.11.2012 , 04:33 PM | #35
*** how is madness not have burst?

pop adrenal, DF, light charge, shock, thrash, crushing darkness, thrash, shock.

i mean the rotation is not very easy and if you don't know your assn well you will get overwhelmed. but good lord it puts out some really crazy dmg 1v1. if they don't clean off dots they are ****ed so quick its not even funny?

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darkenwolf
04.11.2012 , 05:16 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by toshman View Post
*** how is madness not have burst?

pop adrenal, DF, light charge, shock, thrash, crushing darkness, thrash, shock.

i mean the rotation is not very easy and if you don't know your assn well you will get overwhelmed. but good lord it puts out some really crazy dmg 1v1. if they don't clean off dots they are ****ed so quick its not even funny?
It CAN burst, but I wouldn't call it a Burst DPS spec. Pressure DPS is a more apt name.
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ahzecklawd
01.03.2013 , 05:02 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazakuhn View Post
If you think the shock damage is nasty from that... you should see the shock damage from a full Deception/Madness assassin That spec can also acquire the potential second shock per shock thrown out there... on top of boosting it's damage AND critical damage by rather extreme amounts.

Then it turns into something... kind of like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AkvnSYO8s
Oh Yea,u say it mate.Hybrid is much to powerfull , if u know how to play it.
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THEFERRARICARGUY
01.03.2013 , 05:10 PM | #38
HOLY NECRO BATMAN!

Now putting that aside, Madness a higher amount of utility than deception (low slash is roughly the same as insta-whirl, but creeping terror is great for stopping ball carriers and whatnot) but deception does have the higher burst, madness can give a lot of pressure because even though you're knocked back you're dots are still ticking away, and if the sorc is a dummy and doesn't know what purge is, but it's nigh impossible to beat a darkness, deception, or hybrid sin of the same skill level since force shroud will counter everything and madness has a long set up time, but if you want survivability, dps, and more utility, then of course you should use the dreaded 23/1/17 build, deception is superior to madness in 1v1 and survivability, but madness has AoEs, can pump more dps (If throwing discharge on every living being within 3 miles is ok for you) but is the squishiest class in game, hands down, blackout is great for everything is deception, and it also has a lower force cloak cooldown, but madness is amazing when used in the right hands.

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thefishdude
01.03.2013 , 05:49 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Warlyik View Post
I regularly dish out 300k+ damage, about 20k heals, and anywhere from 10-20k protection as a L50 Madnassin.

I use Dark Charge, not Lightning Charge, for PvP. Use a shield, not a Focus. This increases survivability quite a bit (especially with the Charge Mastery talent). This also allows me to guard a healer and tell him to watch my *** (which also nets more medals). I crit for over 3500 on Assassinate and about 3200 on Mauls. I start off a little slow, but once my target dips down to sub 50%, they're probably going down without a lot of heals and CC. The crit Maul/Assassinate combo will take nearly anyone out at that point except for tanks.

Death Field also crits for 2500+ to 3 targets. Meanwhile, I'm randomly dotting people up with Creeping Terror, and any procs I get for instant Crushing Darkness.....
This is why you have to be careful listening to ppl on the forum and just try things for yourself. He's telling us that he runs Dark Charge and then in the next paragraph tells us that he waits for Crushing Darkness to proc.

I call BS

Raze is the ability in the madness tree that procs CD, but you must have your Lightning Charge's Discharge effect on a target. Let's ask the poster exactly how he gets this effect on a person when he's in the Dark Charge stance? Are you swapping stances during the middle of a fight or something?

http://www.torhead.com/ability/vnZNe6/raze


P.S. Prior to 1.2 (if remember correctly), anyone could use Raze; so, Darkness Sins were running hybrids to get the instant CD proc. Those were the glory days....150% armor, CD proc and Death Field!!
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Draank
01.03.2013 , 06:41 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Warlyik View Post
I regularly dish out 300k+ damage, about 20k heals, and anywhere from 10-20k protection as a L50 Madnassin.

I use Dark Charge, not Lightning Charge, for PvP. Use a shield, not a Focus. This increases survivability quite a bit (especially with the Charge Mastery talent). This also allows me to guard a healer and tell him to watch my *** (which also nets more medals). I crit for over 3500 on Assassinate and about 3200 on Mauls. I start off a little slow, but once my target dips down to sub 50%, they're probably going down without a lot of heals and CC. The crit Maul/Assassinate combo will take nearly anyone out at that point except for tanks.

Death Field also crits for 2500+ to 3 targets. Meanwhile, I'm randomly dotting people up with Creeping Terror, and any procs I get for instant Crushing Darkness. Thrash/Shock until the target is low enough to burst, randomly taunt other enemies that are wailing on team-mates. If you're in a large battle, liberal use of Overload, and the AoE taunt will reduce a significant amount of damage (unless they get smart and try to focus you - then pop defensive CDs or try and Force Cloak out).

Recklessness if you can afford to throw a full Force Lightning at a critical health target, etc. Creeping Terror is also especially useful for kiting enemy melee - allowing your short-ranged attacks to whittle away their health until you get them into "execute" range and finish them off.

All of my gear is built for high willpower, crit, and surge. It's also excellent for PvE.

I've never lost a straight-up fight with a 50 Deception Sin (it's usually not even close, even with CDs down). I frequently kill players 1v2, 1v3, even a few 1v4. Hell, I had a game earlier today where I did 330k damage with 49 kills and Zero, yes, Zero Deaths.
You are full madness in Dark Charge, your opinion is now invalid. Here's a few things, 300k damage is nothing to brag about, you should never use force lightning as madness spec, you won't get a crushing darkness proc unless someone has your lightning discharge on it, and if you win 1v4s with the current tips you're giving out I'm guessing you're playing people either half your level or without arms. Try a different spec, like one that actually makes sense to use with dark charge if you're worried about being less squishy. The tips you just said made me smh dude, I don't know if you're a troll but this post is ridiculous.
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