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Official Turn Ashara Zavros Darkside Thread. (Spoilers)

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Official Turn Ashara Zavros Darkside Thread. (Spoilers)

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GraceandDanger
01.09.2013 , 10:49 PM | #611
So while trying to raise Ashara's affection today (which is a pain btw since my SI is a female), I saw this interesting quote by when randomly clicked on her.

"Passion, peace. Strength, knowledge. Power, serenity. Victory, harmony. Freedom, the Force."

I got a real "Grey Jedi" vibe when I heard that. Any thoughts?
It's victory or nothing!

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Elmerpl
01.10.2013 , 02:23 PM | #612
I may be the only one to get this feeling but just because Ashara doesn't change into homicidal maniac, doesn't mean she isn't being corrupted. As I remember, was a long time ago so I might be wrong, after joining the inquisitor she tries to hold to the light side, but is slowly spiraling down to becoming a sith, she questions the jedi code and their actions, she always try to justifie her actions but is always doing inquisitors biding, so without even knowing it, she becomes more corrupt (or not, depends on the inquisitors action) without even knowing it, she only thinks that she is still good and pure (at least to some point in the male inq storyline khe khe...<starts humming the Imperial March> ). For me it is much more subtle than what SW does, and in the end Ashara will have no other way than just to face the truth, that she became corrupt and there is nothing more that she can do.
But as I stated in the beginning, I played the story long ago, and it might just be my head canon talking.

nuff said

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FeniceNera
01.12.2013 , 05:45 AM | #613
I think the thing you do with Ashara is the ultimate manipulation: you get her to be loyal to a dark side sith while making her believe she is still being lightside

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Ridickilis
01.12.2013 , 08:38 AM | #614
See the thing is, from what I remember of her, is her affection for you is contingent on her believing that you are going to make big changes within the Empire. So, yeah she does sorta turn away from her Jedi code but she's under the impression that you will turn the Empire good. This is all fine and dandy if you are a LS Inq but for me it just didn't work. It's all based on a lie. Yes of course, there are certainly manipulations and lies along the way when it comes to turning and corrupting, but in the end truths are usually revealed and accepted if they are truly corrupted. The convo's where she did seem to question the Jedi code/teaching I felt was only because she was starting to believe the Empire could do a better job of protecting the people, a more efficient way of spreading 'good'. I know I'm oversimplifying this because I'm trying to avoid a wall of text and lots of spoilers.

And little things like when she says "don't make me go against my Jedi teachings". I don't want to hear that from her anymore if she is truly corrupted or 100% on board with me. I want to hear "you add fire to my rage master" or something to that effect.

I still firmly believe we should have gotten Thana Vesh on Taris instead of Ashara as our melee dps companion and male romance option.

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Xeraz
01.12.2013 , 07:02 PM | #615
Just throwing this in here... As the "masters of manipulation" we NEED to be able to corrupt Ashara.

Bioware, get it done. Xpac is Spring.
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Chaloss
01.13.2013 , 12:45 AM | #616
Quote: Originally Posted by Xeraz View Post
Just throwing this in here... As the "masters of manipulation" we NEED to be able to corrupt Ashara.

Bioware, get it done. Xpac is Spring.
If your definition of corruption is turning her to darkside, then I would say we need NOT to do that as master of manipulation. It is far more craftier to keep her as is.

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DeludedAussie
01.13.2013 , 01:10 AM | #617
Although i havent got Her yet. And as i've been reading this thread i've been skipping what spoilers i can (Please use spoiler tags!) I have turned Jaesa and honestly, I hated how it was done. It was just kinda. Bam, She's darkside now.

I wish what happened was what I've read about Ashara, You get her as your apprentice, She starts of Light (and this is what should happen for both of them) Eventuall turns dark by doing dark deeds.

Say you have to interrogate someone, You elect Jaesa/Ashara to do it. Being the 'fallen jedi' they are, they Hesitate, You 'force' them to do it. once they use their methods, you get a response like "That felt.... Good". You could then make it deeper by having the player channel those feelings into the Companion, making them feel good. Much like how Darth Baras feels 'every sensation', you could sit back and feel those sensations, and sutbley channel them, making your companion feel them aswell, Turning them that little bit more dark side.

There also should be Darkside/Light side companion missions. You send your apprentice off to deal with a rebellion. Telling him/her to either deal with it peacefully or diplomatically (light side) Or Slaughter them all (Dark Side). This can be done with every compainion and much how Players get to go darkside/light side, Companions get it too. This of course changes they way they react to player light side and dark side choices based on their lightside or darkside points.

I admit, implementing that is A LOT of work. But how about an expansion based purely on companions? Fixing all the companion bugs and adding new features. That's summin i'd pay $20 for

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WarbossPetross
01.13.2013 , 04:52 AM | #618
Quote: Originally Posted by DeludedAussie View Post
I admit, implementing that is A LOT of work. But how about an expansion based purely on companions? Fixing all the companion bugs and adding new features. That's summin i'd pay $20 for
+1138 to you, sir, although the other classes do not seem to have this kind of problem. Many even can CHOOSE who to flirt with, so it ain't that much to fix in this sphere, actually. I can't help but remember the good old KotOR 2, which I consider the absolute BENCHMARK of companion interaction - there was no shutting them up! And they really followed you on whatever path you chose, so the situation we're seeing here is just embarrassing.

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sniperdoc
02.26.2013 , 08:47 AM | #619
Ugggh... you know it sucks that I didn't find this thread until it became an issue. Spoiler contains, yes... spoilers. So don't read if you don't want some of the story exposed.

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I read that there was some type of extra, bonus or achievement for making 100% dark side choices. Now that is entirely shot for me.. very, very, VERY upset about this.

What really gets my goat about all this, is the poor dialog selection options. Half the time what you see as a dialog choice isn't even what your character says and honestly is an extremely poor design choice. Either the options need to be more exact, or there needs to be a more defined option as in:
  • sarcastic response
  • apathetic response
  • empathetic response
  • rude response
  • nice response
  • etc etc

That way you at least have SOME idea of how you want to shape your conversation.... but the Ashara Zavros options... terrible terrible terrible. Very angry... HULK SMASH!!!

The thing is, there was another conversation on Taris where I was almost shoehorned into making a light side decision... I think it was when you had to do a "force persuade" to tell the Assassins to go away... That's equally BS. I think there were two neutral options and one light side (the force persuade). So, to kill them you don't even get dark side points? That's bogus as well. Terrible dialog and story design.

I'm highly upset that now I have a Sith that was SHOEHORNED by Bioware to have light side points. That is everything that goes against a ROLE PLAYING game. You're given dialog choices that are ambiguous at best and then you're shoehorned into making choices that don't make sense at all. THAT is not allowing the person to ROLE PLAY and defeats the purpose of being a RPG.

Did anyone else experience something different? Where the dialog did not end in having to make light side choices? Does SWTOR support offer to reset quest lines if there IS a different option? I'm actually so frustrated by this that I want to stop playing altogether... You spend time trying to build up a character only to be forced to make a choices that don't fit your path... not at all what I consider role playing or fun.

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lokdron
03.09.2013 , 12:48 PM | #620
I still wonder why they stuck us with a lightside JEDI.

Man I wish I could just corrupt her darth malak style slap her to a board and shock her until she falls cause right now she is a crafting mule and xalek? He is a bloody block.

On both my SI its always been me and khem from 1-50. >_>
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