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Quesh Difficulty Needs Examined

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Quesh Difficulty Needs Examined
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Scan
01.07.2012 , 01:16 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Cedia View Post
Captain Jesh is bugged to hell. No other problems on the planet so far.

Level 39 Gunslinger here, no way I can kill him. He is level 36!!!

I just took down a level 37 elite in my class quest and ended up with Corso and myself with half health.

I repeat, Captain Jesh is a level 36 elite mob. He is green to me. I cannot kill him. He has a single target insta-cast damage skill that takes down half of Corso's health in one shot, and he spams that thing.

This seriously needs to be looked at.
You have a tank pet? Best way I've seen is use the tank pet and hit the boss as hard and as fast as you can, interupting any healing spells, make sure you use the best gear you can get on you and your compantion and use the best stim, adrenal and med pack. If you still fail then maybe this isnt the mmo you are looking for because if you find anything I have done so far in this game (i goto the eternity vault sunday for the first time) then you are just turning this game and this genre into a joke.

Please, go play something else rather than try to convince devs to make this stuff easier.
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puzzlemaniak
01.07.2012 , 01:21 PM | #122
I was doing Quesh as my sorc and only challenge I found was fighting Master Berin (content soloed @ ~34 lvl), he literally ***** Khem, and I had to run circles weaving Force Speed with Force Slow and applying DoTs, other than that it was super easy. On the other hand some fights in Taris, especially fighting Thana were much more demanding, but I heard opinions that leveling ~30 is a bit harsh, and noticeably harder than in higher lvl zones, like Belsavis, which is imo true.

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Deepmemories
01.07.2012 , 01:23 PM | #123
Never had issues with any quests, even killed elite mobs 2-3 levels above me.

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Asavar
01.07.2012 , 02:33 PM | #124
lol, you think Quesh is hard? Have fun on Voss ;D

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Skirata_Kal
01.07.2012 , 03:59 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller View Post
We're looking at this.

A few general notes on challenging fights.

One of the most important aspects of higher level fights against elites is to counter their special abilities. You are required to use your interrupting abilities (e.g. Distraction on the Imperial Agent) in these fights to prevent these enemies from gaining the upper hand. In the short term, stuns and ballistic attacks/knockback will also help, but your interrupt abilities have the added benefit of preventing the target from using their special abilities.

Make sure your companion is properly equipped and that their signature abilities are enabled. For example, if you rely on your companion to take the brunt of the beating in a fight, make sure their 'defensive stance' is activated. Turn off their area of effect abilities when you're fighting single enemies - they are not efficient for these fights. You can enable/disable abilities by opening your companion panel (~ by default) and right clicking the ability. The green indicator on an ability tells you if a companion will consider the ability for use in their AI rotation.

Do not underestimate the benefit of stims and relics as short term efforts to turn the tide. Same goes for your 20 minute 'heroic moment' ability (the one that only works with your companion and triggers the music).

This sounds obvious, but make sure that your skill points (k) are distributed and that you've trained primary your abilities to level.

Finally, if all else fails, gaining additional equipment, levels or bringing a friend along to help with a challenging fight can be used to overcome temporary blocks. However, be advised that if you run into constantly very challenging fights, it is a good indication that your equipment might need updating.

All these notes aside, we are looking at difficulty issues constantly. If we find a trend that indicate a certain fight is broken or a specific advanced class has issues, we will act accordingly. If you want to provide additional insights, such as your character's spec, your approach to combat, your companion or a particular fight you would like us to look at, please feel free to do so in this thread.

regards
Georg
Overall, I don't have too many issues with Quesh so far. My lvl 38 healing spec Scoundrel so far has only struggled against Jesh. I made 3 attempts before giving up due to the wait on the Probe Revive and going back to the med-center = "we're done with this for now". On the first attempt, IIRC, I CC'd Jesh and then Corso and I quickly took down his two adds. I put a pair of HoTs on Corso and then had him pull Jesh and was quickly overwhelmed. It seemed like the second he aggro'd both of us had 4 different DoT's on us and there was no way any of my heals could arrive in time for one of us much less both. (BTW to the inevitable "you need to l2play" trolls, I've played MMO's and PC games longer than some of you have been alive and always got return invites and guild switch requests as a healer during Vanilla Wow, BC and Wrath so I'm not a scrub, though I'll admit to not being the best of the best...and I healed Taral V just fine at lvl 35 with a 32 tank and a group that didn't know what CC is).

Most elites I get on the first try, though this wasn't my first death by any stretch, so I thought it over and came up with a strategy and tried again. This time he had no adds, I again put the two HoTs on Corso and tried again, this time making sure I wasn't too close. This try went much better since I wasn't taking any of the damage and for a time I was able to Cleanse Corso's DoTs and heal ahead of the damage, but once again their came a point where he had more DoTs than I can cleanse, and even after burning Cool Head and later All In (followed by another Cool Head) I still didn't have the energy needed to Cleanse and heal and Corso went down again and without any energy reserves, I quickly went down as well even with bubbling and dodge (and with no energy, a heal spec'd scoundrel does no noticable damage).

By the time I was able to Revive from my second attempt (yes I should have vanished after Corso went down), the two adds were back so on the third try, I cc'd Jesh and killed the adds again. This time, I tried to watch for what Jesh was doing and interrupt (I have 3) but still Corso took too much DoT damage and even with Cool Head (All In has 20 minute CD) I didn't have the energy to Interrupt, Heal AND Cleanse. I did manage to get Jesh down to 10% health on this try but clearly that was as far as this effort was going to go.

I'm certainly not asking for any nerfs, especially since most of what I've seen of Quesh is more than reasonable IMHO. In fact, even the large 18k health elite robots that attack after clicking on a quest node barely scratched Corso, so healing him and contributing some DPS was effortless lol. The Jesh fight though does look like it could use some tuning, not alot, but some. Either a slight adjustment to his cast time or cd or something of that nature. But definitely not a nerf to the ground!

Grouping, at present, isn't really an option when there are only 4 other people on Quesh and general stays silent after a group request (small server my friends, who I currently outlevel, and I moved to when the one our guild was assigned to had a queue time that was unacceptable...but that's another topic for another thread), so I'll probably just move on to the other quests and come back later. I have considered switching to Bowdaar and trying to gear him up and seeing if he'll do better. And I'm always open to other suggestions because I know I don't know everything lol. Anyway, troll away trolls, "l2play" right?
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krispera
01.07.2012 , 04:17 PM | #126
Quesh ? I was 37 Scoundrel and did it easily.

If the quest of the 2 golden boss is hard for you, just sleep one and pull the other with Corso ???

Was 38 on Hoth and I am now 40 for Belsavis. I was always underlevel and never had difficulties with orange and red quests.

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Cedia
01.07.2012 , 05:25 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Scan View Post
You have a tank pet? Best way I've seen is use the tank pet and hit the boss as hard and as fast as you can, interupting any healing spells, make sure you use the best gear you can get on you and your compantion and use the best stim, adrenal and med pack. If you still fail then maybe this isnt the mmo you are looking for because if you find anything I have done so far in this game (i goto the eternity vault sunday for the first time) then you are just turning this game and this genre into a joke.

Please, go play something else rather than try to convince devs to make this stuff easier.
Hello, I guess you missed the part where I said that I had no other problems with Quesh. As a matter of fact, I soloed two other level 37 elites on the planet no problem (with my tank pet, stims, and geared out, thank you very much).

ONE NPC IS BUGGED -- Captain Jesh. He does about three times more damage than the other level 37 elite bosses on the planet, and he is level 36. If that equates to you my asking the game to be made easier, you've got some serious problems and should not be looking for video games to heal them.
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Xerda
01.07.2012 , 05:29 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Caelib View Post
So, I have done all of the content on every planet up to Quesh and I'm now level 40. The difficulty on this planet is far too strong and needs to be looked at. I am nearly dying in every 3-mob fight and elites are nearly impossible and I'm 4 levels above them!

Please look into it.
Damn I'm about to fly there next on my main.
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rob_lucas
01.08.2012 , 02:58 PM | #129
For the Sage, Aldaraan made a bit of a leap in difficulty. Before that it was a nice steady pace.

Quesh made another leap - the Attis Station (class storyline, lvl 37) was impossible as a Seer/Healer spec. I had to ask a lvl 45 Knight to help me. I was a little disappointed because I was under the impression the class storyline could be solo'ed. Instead, it was tedious after 4 days of trying every way possible. I respecing my skill tree twice and upgraded my gear, but still had to ask that lvl 45 Knight to come in and help me do my own class storyline!

The next planet, Belsavis, kind of leveled out a bit. But still had a few things to test the player (rightly so!)

Now I'm level 44. I'm on Voss, which seems to have taken another leap, and I'm not really enjoying it. It has a level range of 44 - 47, yet the class story begins with a Force-user boss at level 45 and all the side quests I find are 45 - 46, making it a grind to level up so I can continue my class story. PvP and Space combat only goes so far!

Even more annoying is, due to the difficulty and regular deaths, I'm spending majority of my money (between 3k and 9k each time!) on armor repair when I should be saving for Speeder Piloting Rank 2.

On top of all that, over the past couple of days, there have been some laggy terrains, disappearing and reappearing mods. It doesn't make things any easier!

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Skirata_Kal
01.09.2012 , 02:32 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Cedia View Post
Hello, I guess you missed the part where I said that I had no other problems with Quesh. As a matter of fact, I soloed two other level 37 elites on the planet no problem (with my tank pet, stims, and geared out, thank you very much).

ONE NPC IS BUGGED -- Captain Jesh. He does about three times more damage than the other level 37 elite bosses on the planet, and he is level 36. If that equates to you my asking the game to be made easier, you've got some serious problems and should not be looking for video games to heal them.
Agreed! Since my previous post, I have finished Quesh and moved on to Hoth. Jesh was the only problem I had on Quesh. The rest of the planet was more than reasonable. Hoth so far is the same (though MAN that glare off the snow is TOO realistic! Hurts the eyes lol!). I lucked out and encountered a Sentinel that also needed Jesh and he went down like a rock with two of us. Again, he doesn't need any huge nerf (and nothing else on Quesh that I saw needs ANY change at all) but as Cedia says, he was doing at least 3x the damage to Corso that higher level elites and champions were doing. I still came close on one attempt and I could see a dps toon with a healing comp maybe having an easier time. Or even a good tank pc with a healing comp.
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