What's the Vig/Def Hybrid you use?

 

He is probably talking about the 18/23/0 tree, which is what I use.

 

Can tank it all in that build and be a complete monster in PvP.

Focus isn't a one trick pony, until we can heal ourselves, as a Guardian, you better kill whatever is in front of you as quickly as you can. I don't care how you acomplish this, VIG, FOCUS or DEF.

 

Nothing is going to get nerfed. Surge rating fix won't even bother me. I don't stack surge. I put a mix of strength, power, surge and crit. My force sweep hits for 5-6k on champions and battlemasters on Anchorhead, so what? All my other abilitys hit hard as well. I've dispatched someone for 5k.

 

I do 300-400k in warzones, with an appropriate kill ratio ( no 400k damage and 10 kills, lol). I don't spam crowds. I pursue my main target until they are dead, move on to the next one etc. However, If I can line up an extra target for my force sweep while pursing my single target, so be it.

 

I don't see what all the hate is about, if you're doing something that works for you great!

I haven't tried a Vig spec, however I watch the videos people post, and I count the seconds it takes for them to kill one enemy, and I am not really convinced that is a better spec for PVP. On the other hand, I see some Guardians making Force Sweep montages, and that doesn't impress me either. Cool, you jumped in a crowd and hit 3 people for 17k....what happened after that?

 

I see other Guardians rolling in sorensu form, doing what they can. Every time we finish a warzone, they ask for my gudiance on how to improve their damage. I give it to them. Most of them say "thats a lot of work", but ya know what, if you want exceptional numbers in a warzone there isn't a 4-5 button class. You have to learn to roll your face on the keyboard and fill those imps with those 4 digit yellow and white numbers.

 

Focus tree is very complex to setup a viable on the fly rotation. In fact there is no set rotation, you just have to know all your abilitys and apply them to the situation at hand.

If you think Sweep Bombing is all I do in Warzones, I am afraid I will disapoint.

 

Maybe my experience was bad because of my lack of gear so far? I never got even close to the top of the charts with my focus build. I ran sorensu form because I would get blown up when I was running shien....maybe I was doing something wrong. I feel like i know how to play the class, so it could have just been gear

Im not really sure what to make of all this. I dont want to sound like a complete troll but i went 31 into vigilance 8 focus (level 48 atm), always in sorensu for surivability and have had no problems. If you gaurd most times you get 3 medals off the bat, for damage absorbtion. I really dont think that spec is the most important factor always, i think its how you play, by a gaurdians nature im not sure hes meant to be the be all and end all of pvp.

 

I feel like saying why dont you roll a sage of a commando or something abit more op. I find that i come top of the allies leaderboard with just playing to help the team, stasising people so others can kill them doing as much damage where i can. slowing the enemy down or helping people on low hp.

 

If you keep re-speccing your never going to get used to your abilities and find the best rotation, i overlooked alot of my abilties at first but it takes alot of time to know whats best, the JK IMHO is a very situational character we cant just spam lightning or stuns etc, theres alot to playing a jedi.

PvPing as a guard is 2 schools of thought.

 

Do you want to be a DPS?

 

If you answered yes to this, then look into Vigilance and Focus builds.

 

Or, do you want to be utility?

 

If you answered yes to his, then look into Defensive and Vigilance hybrid builds, or straight defensive.

 

 

Anyone who would like some input on an being utility in PvP feel free to ask questions. Currently I use the 18/23/0 hybrid spec.

Edited February 13, 2012 by Solonius

PvPing as a guard is 2 schools of thought.

 

Do you want to be a DPS?

 

If you answered yes to this, then look into Vigilance and Focus builds.

 

Or, do you want to be utility?

 

If you answered yes to his, then look into Defensive and Vigilance hybrid builds, or straight defensive.

 

 

Anyone who would like some input on an being utility in PvP feel free to ask questions. Currently I use the 18/23/0 hybrid spec.

 

Could you link your spec?

Could you link your spec?

 

 

http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/jedi_knight/guardian/#::f23d2f2edf2e2fd2f2e2fefe5f2e2f3e2fef:

http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/jedi_knight/guardian/#::f23d2f2edf2e2fd2f2e2fefe5f2e2f3e2fef:

 

No profound resolution?

No profound resolution?

 

Better use of points in other areas IMO.

 

For PvE and PvP using resolute is very situational.

 

In PvE HM Ops, there are a surpising number of encounters where long sustained stuns, roots, etc. aren't even that common.

 

I find myself using it on occasion against the Fabricator droid for positioning, and occasionally on the Council in EV since that is a straight DPS burn encounter and can't afford any downtime being CC'd. Other than that off the top of my head, I really don't consistently find myself using it. Soa has a stun lightning he casts, but that is no issue to break, and Karagga is basically a cake fight once you get the strat and positioning down.

 

Now for a stricly PvP build, I could see more use for it. However, I save resolute for anytime I am the ball carrier and about to cross fire/acid. Before I attempt to cross either though, I make sure I have either a friendly targeted to GL to or an enemy not in cover to FL to to either fly straight through the fire/or over the acid pit all together. On occasions where I am scoring back to back, resolute will be down. But with a good premade healer, and 1 CD up, you should still have no problem if people know their roles.

 

On CW and Voidstar, its best to use it for either anytime you are defending a node, or when the person you are guarding has been seperated from you and being focus fired on. Often times when a cap is about to hit on Viodstar, you will leave the respawn and have people waiting to CC you. Its crucial to save it up for this,a s it can mean the difference between a plant and an interrupt on the door.

 

Also, its good idea to familiarize yourself with other classes CC abilities. Like for instance, if I am fighting a Sorc and a Juff. I will gladly eat the Electocute stun and save my CC break for that annoying 9 second stun Juggs get or whatever it is. Whirlwhind is also a good one to use it on, as that can last for more than a few seconds as well.

 

But overall in that spec, w/o any points in Profound, I still never find myself starved for a resolute use.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Solonius

I appreciate the explanation. Well thought out and thoroughly explained. I would rep you if I could.

 

WZ are fun and still mastering the tricks to successfully compete as a Defense specc'd Guardian.

I appreciate the explanation. Well thought out and thoroughly explained. I would rep you if I could.

 

WZ are fun and still mastering the tricks to successfully compete as a Defense specc'd Guardian.

 

Thanks, glad I could help.

 

If you got any other ?'s feel free to ask.

Greetings,

 

I prefer this build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500crhczZhRrMrhdzMM.1

 

I actually wrote an extensive review of the build over at my blog, the link is here: http://guard-this.com/2011/12/10/hybrid-pvp-build-overview/

 

Hope this helps!

 

I can attest to this builds viability. This is exactly the build I run at lvl 50. It is fantastic for pvp and pve alike. For pvp I toss guard on healer, force leap into a pile of imps, aoe taunt , pop saber ward, force sweep just for kicks, it annoys them to no end. pop warding call wail on an imp healer if the fool is close, pop enure then a med pac..if I'm still alive that is the imps tend to turn all guns on you when you aoe taunt...*snickers* But seriously I view my role in pvp as a tank is to take the brunt and die while the dps kill and the fast sages/shadows get to objectives. I only hvae 4 pieces of centurian gear and one piece of champ gear atm. Expertise gives 5.35 % bonus so I'm way undergeared but very very tough none the less. Now when I get truly good at using alll it has to offer I can see this build being insanely hard to kill even when all imp eyes turn on me.

Oh, man. I'm level 46 and have been PvPing with Vigilance for the past 10 levels or so. Today, I finally decided to take Focus for a test drive. It took me a couple matches to really get the hang of it, but hot diggity damn! That boy produces some damage! I really enjoy Vigilance, but Focus is a real freakish beast. I don't think I'll be switching back any time soon.

 

I got 7 medals within the first 3 minutes on Alderaan thanks to a pocket healer and judicious use of Taunt/Challenging Call. Maybe that's not impressive to anybody else, but it tickled me pink for sure.

 

Though it lacks some of the utility of Vigilance, with Focus I suddenly stopped having as much difficulty with some classes in 1v1 that I did before. Focus isn't a panacea for all the Guardian issues in PvP, but it's super awesome. Everyone should try it at least once.

Edited February 15, 2012 by VictoriousSinner

Vigilance requires more gear than Focus. It's not that Focus doesn't scale well or whatever, but Vigilance DOES scale well, so there is a greater disparity between undergeared focus players and undergeared vig players than there is better geared focus and geared vig in terms of damage output imo.

I've been bouncing back and forth and for right now I am liking Focus the best. My damage is way higher, I can still be viable in war zones and feel like I can at least hold my own now in 1 v 1.

I had a question, earlier in the thread I saw someone state that defense and block don't apply in PvP. Now I might not be remembering correctly but I could have sworn I've seen parry and deflection messages pop in PvP combat. Was I misreading this person's statement? Were the messages I saw a bug? Am I really that tired when I do sit down to play? Thank you for the answers to this question. I'll post my current build and views on a Defense oriented Guardian after a bit more run time with something I worked up a little while ago.

I had a question, earlier in the thread I saw someone state that defense and block don't apply in PvP. Now I might not be remembering correctly but I could have sworn I've seen parry and deflection messages pop in PvP combat. Was I misreading this person's statement? Were the messages I saw a bug? Am I really that tired when I do sit down to play? Thank you for the answers to this question. I'll post my current build and views on a Defense oriented Guardian after a bit more run time with something I worked up a little while ago.

 

It's white damage that they stop they only stop white damage.

It makes them less useful than many thing.

I must be missing something.

 

anyone not going focus for the sweeps is bad. jeez guys its 3k crits to EVERYONE in a 6 meter range every 6 seconds...

 

im either going with this build:

http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/jedi_knight/guardian/#::ef2ef6efefefef17ef4ef2e5f3e2fefe4f

 

i believe it will be very bursty.. if im reading correctly i will have 6 sec blade storms and 6 sec sweeps. ( with Zephyr)

 

 

u can connect the dots in vig../def/ and focus to get some really good bursts/ free moves and and shortened CD force moves 6sec sweeps and 9 or 12 sec blade storms

 

 

Okay how are you guys coming up with 6 sec sweeps? Normal sweep is 15 sec CD. Swelling winds reduces the CD by 3 seconds, that makes it 12 sec CD. Zephyr in schii-cho form reduces the CD by further 3 seconds to 9 seconds. As far as i can tell, that's the lowest CD sweep can be brought down to.

 

What am i missing?

It's white damage that they stop they only stop white damage.

It makes them less useful than many thing.

 

And by this he means any attack classified as a melee or ranged attack. Force and Tech attacks are not shielded. They can only be avoided by being resisted (as opposed to being dodged or parried).

And by this he means any attack classified as a melee or ranged attack. Force and Tech attacks are not shielded. They can only be avoided by being resisted (as opposed to being dodged or parried).

 

You can't gear for "resist", the only class that will resist is shadows/assassins, because they have a defensive CD that increases their resists

How's your survivability with that spec? I also always feel like going into Vigilance and not taking Shien is a little gimping, but I get that you don't want to lose guard and I'm the same.

 

access denied....

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500drhczZhMMZGborddM.1

 

I am not saying this is the end all, be all pvp build, but this build rocks it hardcore. I have fine tuned it over 55 valor ranks and moving up. What do you all think?

 

I am really enjoying this pvp build. Granted this is not a 1v1 build, it is meant to beat the crap out of multiples with sweeps...I run with my brother who is a heal spec sage, and use guard on my other brother who is a sentinal, until mid-fight when i switch guard to my healer brother. I use a all war leader armor, except for belt and bracer, implant, earpeice i use vindicator peices. I have a nice balance of stre, and defense while not leaning heavy in either direction. I can last for quite a while with my healer brother, against 4-5 baddies...

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500drhczZhMMZGborddM.1

 

I am not saying this is the end all, be all pvp build, but this build rocks it hardcore. I have fine tuned it over 55 valor ranks and moving up. What do you all think?

 

I am really enjoying this pvp build. Granted this is not a 1v1 build, it is meant to beat the crap out of multiples with sweeps...I run with my brother who is a heal spec sage, and use guard on my other brother who is a sentinal, until mid-fight when i switch guard to my healer brother. I use a all war leader armor, except for belt and bracer, implant, earpeice i use vindicator peices. I have a nice balance of stre, and defense while not leaning heavy in either direction. I can last for quite a while with my healer brother, against 4-5 baddies...

 

You're better off with a pure defense or a defense/vigil hybrid build if you play in pvp in soresu...

 

 

You basically went 20 points into focus JUST for the ability to sweep hard every 50 seconds...

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not think that the imobilize/interrupt from force leap applies to players, so taking stagger uses 2 points better used elsewhere.

 

Personnally, I think going deep into focus misses out on too many of the guardian's PVP talents, so that's not the direction I would take. I would prefer something more like MonkeyGenius is suggesting, except I would dive into tier 5 of defense to get those talents instead of going deeper into vigilance.

 

 

is this true?