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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?

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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?
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LtGeneralGezlin
06.22.2020 , 07:21 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Tbh, I have been wondering for ages what's been going on, on Telos IV. Especially since Star Wars galaxy maps seem to put the planet in what should be Sith Empire space, based on logical deduction of how the borders are described to look in the timeline videos. So, I'd love to see the planet pop-up ingame sometime, either in a codex entry or story mention
I know that there was a mention of an Onasi Station (Which according to the Wookieepedia article, is located near Telos), same with Telos, in one of the crew skill missions, but I don't remember off hand which missions mention them.

But, I agree, I'd love to see a return to Telos! And it would be a good excuse to add more KotOR armors to the game!

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Goreshaga
06.23.2020 , 04:19 AM | #172
Hm, considering Annihilation was released in 2012 and happens in 3640 BBY/13 ATC, wouldn't that make all the game updates of this IRL year (2012) in the same IG year (13 ATC) ?

Which could give :
- Game release in 2011 IRL = from the Prologue (begining of 10 ATC) to Illum (end of 12 ATC)
- 2012 IRL = Annihilation + game updates of 2012 (from KUS to Section-X) in 13 ATC (which would give our characters things to do while Theron's busy with Operation End Game)
- 2013 IRL = Makeb, CZ-198 and Oricon in 14 ATC
- 2014 IRL = KDY, Forged Alliances and SoR in 15 ATC
- 2015 IRL = Ziost + KOTFE 1 in 16 ATC, then timeskip to KOTFE 3 to 9 in 21 ATC
- 2016 IRL = from KOTFE 10 to the end of KOTET in 22 ATC
- 2017 IRL = Uprisings, Iokath (+ the machine gods), Umbara and Copero in 23 ATC
- 2018 IRL = Nathema + JUS in 24 ATC
- 2019 IRL = Dantooine, Hearts & Minds, Mysterious Observers and Onslaught in 25 ATC
- 2020 IRL = Task at hand and the rest of what's to come this year in 26 ATC
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Ylliarus
06.23.2020 , 05:56 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
Hm, considering Annihilation was released in 2012 and happens in 3640 BBY/13 ATC, wouldn't that make all the game updates of this IRL year (2012) in the same IG year (13 ATC) ?

Which could give :
- Game release in 2011 IRL = from the Prologue (begining of 10 ATC) to Illum (end of 12 ATC)
- 2012 IRL = Annihilation + game updates of 2012 (from KUS to Section-X) in 13 ATC (which would give our characters things to do while Theron's busy with Operation End Game)
- 2013 IRL = Makeb, CZ-198 and Oricon in 14 ATC
- 2014 IRL = KDY, Forged Alliances and SoR in 15 ATC
- 2015 IRL = Ziost + KOTFE 1 in 16 ATC, then timeskip to KOTFE 3 to 9 in 21 ATC
- 2016 IRL = from KOTFE 10 to the end of KOTET in 22 ATC
- 2017 IRL = Uprisings, Iokath (+ the machine gods), Umbara and Copero in 23 ATC
- 2018 IRL = Nathema + JUS in 24 ATC
- 2019 IRL = Dantooine, Hearts & Minds, Mysterious Observers and Onslaught in 25 ATC
- 2020 IRL = Task at hand and the rest of what's to come this year in 26 ATC
That wouldn't fit with what has already been established by the lore, especially in the SWTOR Encyclopedia. That book explicitly states that the Cold War ended in 13 ATC, so that means that's during chapter 3 of the class stories, I believe. If so, then Ilum cannot happen in 12 ATC, but it happens in 13 ATC. And since Annihilation happens after Ilum (what with all the Karrid and Malgus references) it happens in 13 ATC as well.
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Goreshaga
06.23.2020 , 06:47 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
That wouldn't fit with what has already been established by the lore, especially in the SWTOR Encyclopedia. That book explicitly states that the Cold War ended in 13 ATC, so that means that's during chapter 3 of the class stories, I believe. If so, then Ilum cannot happen in 12 ATC, but it happens in 13 ATC. And since Annihilation happens after Ilum (what with all the Karrid and Malgus references) it happens in 13 ATC as well.
Yeah, dunno, i just feel like puting both Ilum and Annihilation at the end of the same year is a bit too much, with everything tha happens during Annihilation.
And then our characters don't have that much to do during the follownig year, while it's supposed to be an all out war between the Empire and the Republic.

That being said, official sources also contradicts themselves sometimes. Annihilation is during 13 ATC / 3640 BBY according to Drew Karpyshyn and he also states Theron is 30, which is impossible as he'd have to be born in 3670 BBY.

But, according to Wookieepedia :
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The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural indicates that the Battle of Alderaan occurs four years after the Battle of Bothawui. According to Timeline 5: The Battle of Bothawui the Battle of Bothawui occurs eighteen years before the Treaty of Coruscant, which, as seen in The Old Republic: Deceived, is proposed and ratified in 3653 BBY. Thusly, the Battle of Bothawui takes place in 3671 BBY, and the Battle of Alderaan occurs four years later, in 3667 BBY.
So for Theron to be 30 in 3640 BBY, he'd have to be born 3 years before the Battle of Alderaan, while Jace and Satele started their 6 month affair which led to him being born after that battle.
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BenKatarn
06.23.2020 , 09:11 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
I don’t like to give any “canon” age for the player characters; that should be left up to the player themselves as much as possible IMO
Maybe you can tell the team again that we'd like to have access to an age slider in character creation then, that would be great. While I consider all of "my canon's" characters to be between 18 and 22 when starting out in the game, I've got a lot of characters who are older, from the previous generation, parents and mentors to certain characters etc. Don't want all of those to look just as fresh-faced as the main people, and there's only so much you can do with faces, complexions and beards to make people look older. We need some wrinkles

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
Oof… I’m actually not sure what everyone’s intent was when we put that together. There were numerous authors on the encyclopedia, and all class writers were consulted, but I forget if we made this specific distinction when presenting the information.

Giving it a quick look, I’m going to say that the companion ages in the encyclopedia are probably intended as their ages when they’re recruited, not at 13 ATC. For example, I don’t think Kira is intended to be younger than Nadia, but Nadia is listed in the encyclopedia as 22 while Kira is listed as 20.
My thoughts as well. This also meshes well enough with your timeline of things and given the fact that the codex entries for Imperial Agent companions also list an age, which you don't get until you've recruited them.

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
Since Drew said pretty explicitly that he intended it for 13 ATC, I’d prefer not to override that if there isn't some glaring conflict to resolve (it doesn't seem like it currently). I can’t recall – do any characters in Annihilation mention Malgus’s uprising?
Yes, it does. There is dispute among the Dark Council with regards to Darth Karrid to replace the recently deceased Darth Hadra (died on Corellia during the freeing of the Legislature, same quest that Republic players run into/over Savik), because Karrid is a former student of Darth Malgus. Because of this, I'd feel it better to situate Annihilation in the year following Ilum, otherwise the end of 13 ATC gets much too crowded with big events, which is one more reason why I personally advocate that the at-launch-content with Ilum ends in 12 ATC and everything released post-launch gets placed in 13 ATC onwards.

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
I’ve seen people here and elsewhere saying that it feels wrong in both directions – some, like you, feel it’s too fast; others feel like it couldn’t possibly take that long based on how the chapters themselves feel. I suspect the timing here will never please everyone, but in your specific case I would personally look to the fact that the Alliance is made up of staggeringly powerful and skilled people who (until it was formed) were unable to combine their efforts. Once they could, it doesn’t seem like such a stretch to me that things took a turn within a year, IMO.
I think this is probably also an issue because, as you told us long ago, the whole Zakuul thing was originally supposed to be spread across three expansions, but the reception of KOTFE caused it to be scaled back to 2 (1.5 really, when you think about it). This also brings up an interesting question. I somehow doubt that any of the stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor will still find its way into the game, so could you maybe share some tidbits of what we would have seen, had the story progressed the way it was originally envisioned?

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
Again, for simplicity’s sake, I use the IRL year rollover (December->January) to mark the in-game year rollover. I admit this is arbitrary, but IMO it’s just one more area where the vagueness of time in Star Wars doesn’t actually hold up to scrutiny because it was never meant to. What month was the Treaty of Coruscant signed? Was it coincidentally the same exact month as the Battle of Yavin, thousands of years later? Wouldn’t there be times where Event A could be in 13 ATC, and Event B is in 14 ATC, but they’re both in 3640 BBY? Or vice versa?
I get your point. That is why I'm not exactly a fan of this whole thing of a set of events starting in one year and then ending in the middle of the next. If everything was relegated to one year (Year 1 for Prologue / Chapter 1, Year 2 for Chapter 2 and Year 3 for Chapter 3), it would have been simpler and cleaner, in my opinion, especially if an in-universe calender system does not commit to the usage of smaller units of time, like months.

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
I think that would totally make sense, but I’d personally prefer not to introduce even more complexity into all of this. Furthermore, a new calendar system would constitute new lore, and therefore be something to discuss with our LFL partners; it’s not something I could simply declare in a forum post. So I wholeheartedly support roleplayers using that idea, but I can’t make it an official “thing” at this time
Would definitely be nice. We haven't had any meaty blog posts or short stories in a while.

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
I chose her precisely because she was unmemorable in her first appearance. I wanted a character that players were likely to have fought, but unlikely to remember, so that they could experience that feeling of having a huge impact on a character’s life without ever having considered it at the time.
A nice idea, granted. Given the Dark Council's history and high turnover rate in recent years though, I'd have liked some more competent people in the Empire's power structure. Both Malora and Savik didn't exactly fit that bill in my opinion. As previously mentioned, I'd have rather had someone more experienced promoted to the rank, like Darth Numin, Lord Medechas or Darth Rictus (whom we never even saw in the game).

Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
I’d hesitate to get into too much “official” detail on stuff like that, since leaving it open a bit leaves room for a cool short story or something in the future. But what you go on to suggest is more or less what’s in my head at the moment – they were focused on their own thing in obscure corners of the galaxy, and not all that connected to galactic events. But consider that unofficial for now.
Understood, but if I may ask, what do you think how long Kira and Scourge actually kept looking for the Knight before going off on their quest to destroy Vitiate's original body? Doc mentions he got separated from then on Begeren, while Master Ranos mentioned earlier that Kira ran her own resistance movement for a bit before Arcann cracked down on them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
About companions ages, how old are Mako and Torian when we meet them ?
I found 19 for Mako and 17 for Torian, but i find it hard to believe he'd be 2 years younger than her. And him being less than 18 would be somewhat odd honnestly.
I also found 17 for Mako and 18 for Torian, so i just don't know...
According to Charles, Chapter 1 ends in late 11 ATC with chapter 2 still beginning in that year. That likely means that seeing Torian in the background of the Great Hunt winner ceremony on Dromund Kaas and then later meeting him during the quest to become Mandalorian means he's the same age then. Since there are no means to pinpoint the specific point in the story where the year shifts in the game, I'd argue that seeing him on Dromund Kaas and then recruiting him on Taris is likely to still fit in the same year, making him 18.

Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
And how old is Lana too ? I'd say she's probably around Theron's age, which would make her around 40 by now, but her age was never stated.
I believe I asked Charles this a year or so ago on Twitter. As I recall, his answer was basically "near Theron's age", since she's supposed to be his contemporary. According to Drew Karpyshn, Theron is 30 by the time of Annihilation, which he says takes place in 3640 BBY. If this fits with Charles' point of view, then Theron would be
about 44 now, with Lana in a similiar range of late 30s to early 40s. Phew, they sure grew old fast.
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06.23.2020 , 02:13 PM | #176
Are we getting more "Fatal Alliance" references as well?
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