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Please no more Warcraft terms.

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Anysao
03.13.2012 , 09:45 AM | #1
It can be utterly confusing. I ask you to please cut down on them, as they can be annoying. Some things I do and do not like are below-
Bad slang:
"Raids"- Why is it so hard to say Ops? It can be incredibly confusing to a new player.
"Taunts"- I am tank-specced and I had NO idea where "taunts" come from, and took forever for me to learn that it's just to grab the attention of the enemy.
"Mobs"- Where does this come from for NPCs? It's the most random name so far.
"Instance"- Don't really have a problem with this one, yet I'm not sure where it comes from, it seems just like an odd term.
"Dungeons"- I assume you mean Flashpoints, and you can not have a worse term. Since when is being in deep space, while being under attack by an enemy cruiser, a "dungeon"?
"Pets"- A companion is a NPC sidekick, not a pet. For pets, see mouse droids, and other droids. I WILL KILL ANYONE WHO CALLS MY COMPANION A PET!!
"Spells"- They are ENTIRELY unrelated to Force Powers. People consider Grenades spells!
"Adds"- I just don't like this one- I prefer to say "backup", for the boss.
"CC"- I understood it was for Crowd Control, but a more accurate term is stuns.
"DPS" (person)- That just doesn't make sense, how can a person be considered damage per second? Perhaps a better term is Damage Dealer.
Slang I'm fine with:
"Aggro"- I don't like the term, but it's the only term i know of to get attention of NPCs.
"Tank"- Well, this is in any MMO, so, it's not really a problem.
"DPS" (damage)- Although we rarely mean "Damage Per SECOND", it is useful to understand.
"HP"- Hitpoints, or health. No problem here.

I wont lecture you, but, please, for other player's gaming experience, use standard terms to help people learn how the game works.
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Erevan_Kindelar
03.13.2012 , 09:48 AM | #2
Sorry OP, but as far as I know none of the terms you are complaining about came from WoW originally. There are one or two I am not sure about, but the vast majority of them came from older MMOs like Ultima Online or Meridian 59, or the slightly newer ones like Everquest.

Mind you, there are a few that came from table-top D&D playing.

WoW is not as original as you might think
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03.13.2012 , 09:49 AM | #3
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iRouven
03.13.2012 , 09:52 AM | #4
Mob comes from mobile object, without looking it up - standard term that has nothing to do with Wow.

I agree for terms like ops, flashpoints and missions etc. On the flip side, people used to those terms will ask, what is that? And the answer will be, it's like a raid etc.
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Zarrot
03.13.2012 , 09:52 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
It can be utterly confusing. I ask you to please cut down on them, as they can be annoying. Some things I do and do not like are below-
Bad slang:
"Raids"- Why is it so hard to say Ops? It can be incredibly confusing to a new player.
"Taunts"- I am tank-specced and I had NO idea where "taunts" come from, and took forever for me to learn that it's just to grab the attention of the enemy.
"Mobs"- Where does this come from for NPCs? It's the most random name so far.
"Instance"- Don't really have a problem with this one, yet I'm not sure where it comes from, it seems just like an odd term.
"Dungeons"- I assume you mean Flashpoints, and you can not have a worse term. Since when is being in deep space, while being under attack by an enemy cruiser, a "dungeon"?
"Pets"- A companion is a NPC sidekick, not a pet. For pets, see mouse droids, and other droids. I WILL KILL ANYONE WHO CALLS MY COMPANION A PET!!

Slang I'm fine with:
"Aggro"- I don't like the term, but it's the only term i know of to get attention of NPCs.
"Tank"- Well, this is in any MMO, so, it's not really a problem.
"DPS"- Although we rarely mean "Damage Per SECOND", it is useful to understand.
"HP"- Hitpoints, or health. No problem here.

I wont lecture you, but, please, for other player's gaming experience, use standard terms to help people learn how the game works.

These aren't WoW terms they are MMO terms...

A raid is a quest generally requiring 8 or more people that is significantly more challenging than a standard quest.
Mob stands for mobile and is a programming term dating back to MUDS. It is any standard monster.
Taunts are named taunts in the game. They are moves that grab aggro or generate hate allowing a tank to keep the monster/bosses attention despite having lower dps than other party members.
Instance is a programming term. It refers to an instanced area which is an area that belongs to you and your group, i.e a non public area.
Dungeons and Instances are generally interchangeable as most dungeons are instanced.

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Haristo
03.13.2012 , 09:52 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Taunts"- I am tank-specced and I had NO idea where "taunts" come from, and took forever for me to learn that it's just to grab the attention of the enemy.
A taunt is a battle cry, a method in hand-to-hand combat, sarcastic remark, gesture, or insult intended to demoralize the recipient, or to anger them and encourage reactionary behaviors without thinking (WIKIPEDIA). Whatever the game you're playing, this is exactly what the tank must do

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Mobs"- Where does this come from for NPCs? It's the most random name so far.
Mobs are living, moving game entities. Generally, mobs are affected by the environment in the same ways as the player (MINECRAFTWIKI)

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BroCaptMaximus
03.13.2012 , 09:56 AM | #7
I'm fairly certain most of those terms have been applied to MMOs since their inception and are therefore universally recognized by the MMORPG playing community. I understand that in an effort to immerse players in the game world Bioware decided to rename dungeons and raids, flash points and operations but that doesn't change what they are.

In short if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Or in this case they are dungeons, raids, and pets (specifically combat pets, with the exception of the annoying ship steward).
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Terrulin
03.13.2012 , 09:59 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
It can be utterly confusing. I ask you to please cut down on them, as they can be annoying. Some things I do and do not like are below-
Bad slang:
"Raids"- Why is it so hard to say Ops? It can be incredibly confusing to a new player.
"Taunts"- I am tank-specced and I had NO idea where "taunts" come from, and took forever for me to learn that it's just to grab the attention of the enemy.
"Mobs"- Where does this come from for NPCs? It's the most random name so far.
"Instance"- Don't really have a problem with this one, yet I'm not sure where it comes from, it seems just like an odd term.
"Dungeons"- I assume you mean Flashpoints, and you can not have a worse term. Since when is being in deep space, while being under attack by an enemy cruiser, a "dungeon"?
"Pets"- A companion is a NPC sidekick, not a pet. For pets, see mouse droids, and other droids. I WILL KILL ANYONE WHO CALLS MY COMPANION A PET!!

Slang I'm fine with:
"Aggro"- I don't like the term, but it's the only term i know of to get attention of NPCs.
"Tank"- Well, this is in any MMO, so, it's not really a problem.
"DPS"- Although we rarely mean "Damage Per SECOND", it is useful to understand.
"HP"- Hitpoints, or health. No problem here.

I wont lecture you, but, please, for other player's gaming experience, use standard terms to help people learn how the game works.
Most of the terms are from the meaning of the word Examples:

Taunt - something you do to get someone's attention or to elicit some sort of reaction.

Mob - a group of people.

Instance - a single copy of something. So you are in your own copy of this area.

Aggro - aggression towards someone or something

On the other hand, calling a companion a pet or minion does seem weird since that's not exactly what they are.

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azonix
03.13.2012 , 10:11 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Erevan_Kindelar View Post
Sorry OP, but as far as I know none of the terms you are complaining about came from WoW originally. There are one or two I am not sure about, but the vast majority of them came from older MMOs like Ultima Online or Meridian 59, or the slightly newer ones like Everquest.

Mind you, there are a few that came from table-top D&D playing.

WoW is not as original as you might think
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And tbh, ops is more confusing to me than raid. Anyone who has played more than one mmo will probably understand what you're trying to get across because this terminology has been around much longer than WoW or SWTOR...

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Gorghte
03.13.2012 , 10:12 AM | #10
As stated - Most of these terms did not originate with WoW and have validity even in SWTOR based on standard definitions, not anything MMO specific.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Taunts"- I am tank-specced and I had NO idea where "taunts" come from, and took forever for me to learn that it's just to grab the attention of the enemy.
One Taunt definition - to provoke. This is why it is used as the word to draw attention and the abilities in the game use this term as well. In fact the Jedi Guardian has an ability called Taunt.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Mobs"- Where does this come from for NPCs? It's the most random name so far.
MOBs is short for Mobile Objects and is an old term used in video games for objects that have programmed interaction with the user. This has been used since the mid 90s for NPCs in video games.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Instance"- Don't really have a problem with this one, yet I'm not sure where it comes from, it seems just like an odd term.
Standard term for a single object that is created from a template object in programming. Used to identify a specific map area when multiple map areas exist.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
"Pets"- A companion is a NPC sidekick, not a pet. For pets, see mouse droids, and other droids. I WILL KILL ANYONE WHO CALLS MY COMPANION A PET!!
I agree here. I hate when I call my companion a Pet and feel like slapping myself.

Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
Slang I'm fine with:
"Aggro"- I don't like the term, but it's the only term i know of to get attention of NPCs.
Long time slang term for overly aggressive attitudes.
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