maebeebuzz Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 We couldn't get ahold of the guy who did the TFB and NiM EC rankings, so we're starting this one for those doing 8 man runs (though we're not sure how many of you there are still). We'll update the guild, server info, and kill order on the doc below from anyone who posts on this thread.https://docs.google.com/a/occc.cc.or.us/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amw9QCWD3lrKdDJLc2VubW1KQVI5LU1SUHBhYXFkc2c#gid=0 Please include a screen shot with with UTC clock http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fullscreen.html?n=1440 Also, the loot/codex entry to confirm a HM kill. Good luck everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoeWolverine Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Edit: nevermind, was confused by the coloring Edited April 10, 2013 by tahoeWolverine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidy Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Revenge SnV Hardmode clear Guild: Revenge Server: T3-M4 Timezone: CEST = UTC+2 (summer time) Dash’roode 09.april 2013 - 2:58pm on legacy - achievement / on screen 3:04pm Titan 6 09.april 2013 - 5:36pmon legacy - achievement / on screen 5:37pm Thrasher 09.april2013 - 5:52pm Operations Chief 09.april 2013 - 6:16pm Olok the Shadow 09.april 2013 - 6:43pm Cartel Warlords 09.april 2013 - 7:30pm Dread Master Styrak 10.april 2013 - 6:29pm on legacy - achievement / on screen 6:30pm (Styrak screen entry is on story, but "70 / 70 points" on hardmode proves the kill) - hardmode legacy-achievement-screen Edited April 10, 2013 by Heidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggyemu Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Gratz Revenge. Mae will update as soon as she gets on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messiaah Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Guild: unleashed Server: T3-M4 (EU-GER) 8man Hardmode 1. Boss 10.04. 1:13pm GMT http://i.imgur.com/6rwz4mm.jpg 2. Boss 10.04. 2:00pm GMT http://i.imgur.com/cZqDyFM.jpg 3. Boss 10.04. 2:23pm GMT http://i.imgur.com/F5Gx5Oe.jpg 4. Boss 10.04. 3:10pm GMT http://i.imgur.com/ZCu33QB.jpg 5. Boss 10.04. 5:14pm GMT http://imgur.com/4xyZG3w 6. Boss 10.04. 5:38pm GMT http://imgur.com/g1dmgjZ 7.. Boss 11.04. 1:12am GMT http://imgur.com/sXcAVos Edited April 11, 2013 by Messiaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maebeebuzz Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 Updated. Gratz guys! PS (Thank you Phebus <3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggyemu Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Suckafish completed S&V HM. Screenshots on the way. Screenshots and times below (all kills on Thursday, April 11th, 2013 UTC): Dash'Roode: http://i50.tinypic.com/mli3xx.png Time: 1:28:56 AM UTC Titan 6: http://i45.tinypic.com/29m8t9u.png Time: 1:43:59 AM UTC Thrasher: http://i50.tinypic.com/n62ejc.png Time: 2:04:27 AM UTC Operations Chief: http://i46.tinypic.com/160bupj.png Time: 3:03:15 AM UTC Olok The Shadow: http://i46.tinypic.com/2l9qzco.png Time 3:30:05 AM UTC Cartel Warlords: http://i45.tinypic.com/30dgznp.png Time: 3:49:48 AM UTC Achievement for Cartel Warlords since Main Hand isn't visible in the screenshot above http://i50.tinypic.com/j8i32q.png Dread Master Styrak: http://i49.tinypic.com/34no8qe.png Time: 4:51:31 AM UTC Edited April 11, 2013 by Iggyemu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maebeebuzz Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 Updated, grats on the clears. Phebus and I are talking about some way to incorporate clear time into this going forward. From the first boss to the last, speed of clear should mean something. For the top 3 we're looking at: Revenge : 27 hours, 26 minutes Unleashed: 23 hours, 59 minutes Suckafish: 3 hours, 23 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggyemu Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Server should have been offline for Revenge between the Warlords and Styrak. I think that accounts for the length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iworet Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I'm not quite sure why you would want to count it negativ that we (Revenge) killed the first 6 bosses with Dread Guard Gear (and some of the drops we got in this first run) before gearing up and killing the last boss instead of gearing up to maximum before going into the OP? You can't tell me that you didn't use the time before your run to go into Asation and S&V SM, which means that you needed alltogether same time (a little more) to get the OP clear. Or is it just because it would favor the way you choose to go into the progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggyemu Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 No dispute bro. You guys are first. And gratz again on that. I think Mae is just considering the future Nightmare stuff. If this tracking goes well and everyone is in agreement we'll continue on with it. If not we'll leave it up to someone else to give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iworet Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Didn't want to sound aggresive:) My english isn't the best, so maybe my words and 'intonation' aren't the best/right ones Thanks for your work with tracking and validating all the kills. My kudos to you =) I would like to see it again with Asation NiM! Edited April 11, 2013 by Iworet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odawgg Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Gratz to Revenge on World 1st! Hopefully we can give ya a better run for ur money going forward Damn reward bug nipped us in the butt Edited April 11, 2013 by odawgg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy_Karl Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) From the first boss to the last, speed of clear should mean something. This is the most insane thing I have heard coming from anyone in the progression threads thus far. How about we also asterisk guilds who practiced on the PTS versus going in blind (because it's more fun this way)? Or how about incorporating gear rating (since clearing with lower rating gear is more difficult)? Or hell, how about basing it on class usage (like it would be more impressive if no Sentinels were used)? You sir should accept that you were not first, or even second and not attempt to devalue the achievements and skill of the players who are better than you. Regards, KK Edited April 11, 2013 by Krazy_Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancksunamur Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Hey man, no disputing, 1st is 1st period, I don't care if you were in there non stop for 2 days straight, to Revenge and Unleash Fantastic Job. Hopefully we can keep up with you come TFB NiM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggyemu Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) This is the most insane thing I have heard coming from anyone in the progression threads thus far. How about we also asterisk guilds who practiced on the PTS versus going in blind (because it's more fun this way)? Or how about incorporating gear rating (since clearing with lower rating gear is more difficult)? Or hell, how about basing it on class usage (like it would be more impressive if no Sentinels were used)? You sir should accept that you were not first, or even second and not attempt to devalue the achievements and skill of the players who are better than you. Regards, KK Easy there buddy. Nobody is devaluing anything. But in your rant you are devaluing our achievement. Don't do that. What Mae said was something brought up as part of the discussion of how we can tweak the spreadsheet. At the end of the day there is no official way of tracking progression with this game. It's just up to we that care on how we track it. That''s all we are discussing. We aren't changing anything from the way it is now for S&V HM. If we make changes it'll be before the Nightmare stuff. And we'll discuss it with every guild that cares to ensure there is a consensus. Edited April 11, 2013 by Iggyemu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maebeebuzz Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 Wasn't trying to take value away from anything, you guys have world first in our eyes. We're just looking at ways to make the process better in the future. 16man thread has them discussing the same types of things, and they actually implemented a diminishing point for kills times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messiaah Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Updated, grats on the clears. Phebus and I are talking about some way to incorporate clear time into this going forward. From the first boss to the last, speed of clear should mean something. For the top 3 we're looking at: Revenge : 27 hours, 26 minutes Unleashed: 23 hours, 59 minutes Suckafish: 3 hours, 23 minutes 9. 4. we leveled up and entered hm but we get dashrood on story mode, no adds low live but it displayed hardmode when i checked the phase, we thought it was just a bug which displayed the wrong mode and decided to take him down, after that we were not able to reset the operation and we were not able to get into hardmode, no matter if the hardmode was chosen or not. we ended in story all the time, sometimes some of us managed to get into hm while some ppl get into sm at the same time and oparations group we saw them on the minimap but they were in another phase. so we had to do story and hoped to be able to enter hardmode if we cleared the ops on story. but it still wasn't possible to get into hardmode. we tried everything to get in for hours. after that, we did tfb hm to get some gear at least. 10.4 Server restart we managed to get in hardmode and started progression. dash'rood 5 pulls titan 6 3 pulls thrasher 2 pulls operations chief 1 pull olok 2 pulls cartel lords 1 pull styrak 11 pulls we had some breaks which were not planned but unavoidable. after we knew revenge got styrak down and there was no point to be stressed, since serverfirst was done already, we did tfb story to get some extra gear. our setup was: 2 pt tank, 1 pt dps, 1 sniper, 1 marauder, 1 merc dps, 1 merc heal, 1 sorc heal. thats our story, but that doesn't mean that speed of clear means anything. firstkill is firstkill, revenge earned it and it's not their fault that we had this phase issues. we had the option to go straight into tfb hm to gear up and we decided to keep trying to get into SnV hm, that was our bad and that's why we didn't earn the firstkill. what really means something is the point in time. your guild points have to be related to the kill time and not only to the kill order because at different times you have different circumstances e.g. commendations through dailies, weeklys or even the time to farm gear in flash points. e.g. our tfb 16 man progression: we went for 8man at the first week, cleared it and went for 16man at the second week, also cleared it. because a lot guilds cleared the easy bosses in the first week, we get very few points for them, and some of this guilds defeated the last boss weeks later and get a better rank than we did, while having more time for gearing, farming comms etc. your system really needs a decay by time to become a fair system. just take a look at wowprogress.com How does the Guild Ranking work? WoWProgress pulls Guild and Character information from the official Battle.net API and transforms it into Guild Bosskills with date/time attached. Guild Bosskills define guild progression. In general, the faster you progress, the higher rank you get. Each boss has a maximal score attached. World first gets maximal score, next kills score determined based on time interval between the kill and the world first kill plus a constant (constant = nominal score / 2). Boss kills after 180 days grant only constant amount of points. Guild rank may depend not only on score. Important encounters (milestones) can make guild rank higher regardless of score points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy_Karl Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Wasn't trying to take value away from anything By attempting to implement a policy which favors yourselves in a ranking system, you are in turn devaluing the others. It is as simple as that. You are now trying to frame it such that you don't seem biased by referencing an unrelated thread. Time of clear from start to finish is largely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the actual time of each individual kill, and a decay over time value. But you inserting your foot into your mouth is at the very least entertaining. Also, there are many more than three guilds that have already cleared much of the S&V 8-Man HM operation, they are just not participating in this particular e-peen waving contest. Regards, KK Edited April 11, 2013 by Krazy_Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messiaah Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 By attempting to implement a policy which favors yourselves in a ranking system, you are in turn devaluing the others. It is as simple as that. You are now trying to frame it such that you don't seem biased by referencing an unrelated thread. Time of clear from start to finish is largely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the actual time of each individual kill, and a decay over time value. But you inserting your foot into your mouth is at the very least entertaining. Also, there are many more than three guilds that have already cleared much of the S&V 8-Man HM operation, they are just not participating in this particular e-peen waving contest. Regards, KK What is your problem? If u are not interested in e-peen, why are you reading that and try to pick a fight with this guys? They spend their time to provide a ranking for those who are interested. And if you would have any clue you would recognize that there was no attempt to get favored, it's just about bringing a time based factor into the system which makes absolutely sense. So do us a favor and either help to find a better system or remain quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glomeo Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Lethal Dose Fifty @ Jedi Covenant 8 man Hard SnV 6. Cartel Warlords - 07:02am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 5. Olok the Shadow - 05:07:34 am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 4. Operations Chief - 04:02:31 am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 3. Thrasher - 2:57:57 am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 2. Titan 6 - 2:29:05 am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 1. Dash'roode - 00:58:39 am UTC 2013-4-11 Pic 1 Pic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlenux Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) EDITED: UTC time added HATRED @ The Harbringer time zone of kills Caracas, Venezuela date: 04/11 http://i.imgur.com/NbOMazk.jpg dash rodaa (12:01 AM Pacific) 7.01 UTC http://i.imgur.com/wye58kI.jpg titan 6 (2.01 AM pacific) 9.01 UTC to help you out with the argue, with this game, the only thing that works is whoever got first, simple, this game is made for the softcore population, so content is not hard, we wish we had killed it so quick as well, but our server lacks good raiders with dedication and are spread around different guilds. let me put it this way: we used jugg pt tank... sorc/op healer... Vengeance jugg (underrated)... Merc dps (decent) ... Sniper MM (underrated)... Operative concealment ( a joke for all the Elitist wanna be) as dps, 3/4 underrated not used classes by most good guilds. we are one of the only 2-3 few guilds that have good proof of not having PTS testing (Close beta didnt have hm Ops, or free gear there ), yet it took us 7 pulls on dash.. and like 12 pulls on Titan 6. or less, to kill them, we didnt watch video, we just learned in the way. all our players just had dread guard, only 2-3 had couple of pieces 156, nothing crafted at all, considering last 2-3 of our 55s got to lvl cap 5 mins before starting raid lol. and you know, all that stuff i said up there, makes absolutely no point, because no one care, and i dont want people to care, whoever got first, got it, grats, you "worked" harder than us, its obvious, that doesnt make you better "player" than 2nd/3rd and prob going until at least 15-20th, they just worked harder, and got the achievement and that is something to admire , dedication, work and skill. i agree that this system should be better for ranking, but we cant do it just yet. so stop the arguing and let the people post their progress . Edited April 12, 2013 by Carlenux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidy Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Server should have been offline for Revenge between the Warlords and Styrak. I think that accounts for the length. eh, we killed the first 6 Bosses to get the first kills on our server. We know that the last boss need tons of damage so we get some eq. finally we had 4 trys on Styrak. edit: between boss 1 and 2 we had personel problems. edit: we have it saved on a privat stream, if someone troll again. Edited April 11, 2013 by Heidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanthano Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Ambassadors @ T3-M4: , [GER-PvE] Scum & Villainy: Dash’roode: 10.April 2013 - 1:45 pm GMT S&V HC 1/7 (click me) Titan 6: 10.April 2013 - 2:30 pm GMT S&V HC 2/7 (click me) Thrasher: 10.April 2013 - 2:47 pm GMT S&V HC 3/7 (click me) Operations Chief: 10.April 2013 - 3:14 pm GMT S&V HC 4/7 (click me) Olok the Shadow: 10.April 2013 - 3:44 pm GMT S&V HC 5/7 (click me) Cartel Warlords: 10.April 2013 - 4:00 pm GMT S&V HC 6/7 (click me) Dread Master Styrak: 10.April 2013 - 6:40 pm GMT S&V HC 7/7 (click me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidy Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Revenge: time on the chart isnt correct, please have a look. on my screenshots its the lokal time CEST but in my post its (the correct) UTC time Edited April 11, 2013 by Heidy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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