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EA Might Lose Their Star Wars License?! What Does That Mean For SWTOR?

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EA Might Lose Their Star Wars License?! What Does That Mean For SWTOR?

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Andryah
02.15.2018 , 10:33 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by keladoruk View Post
Legally they have a way around it that being said most these gambling systems are also behind an age gate, the topic that seems to be the main focus is more to do with mental health and grooming are companies using these practices to get kids addicted to gambling and exploit them? and what is the governments and companies social responsibility I think the most that will happen is games will have to be rated 18+ if they have lootboxes and the odds will have to be mentioned like in any other gambling game.
This is a very common "moral objection" pandered by those that have an issue with something. It is in my view and over played objection too.

You are correct in that governments and companies have essentially settled in to a system of notifications and rating controls on a product or service as the basis of protections.... which also insists on parents being the responsible gate keeper under this system. Of course some parents.. for whatever reason.. do not want to take responsibility for this.. but are quick and ready to blame someone or something else for whatever happens.

And here... lies the core issue in this ongoing discussion some people declare loot boxes to be gambling... yet they do no meet any known statutory regulations in this regard. Unfortunately for those who like to press this claim.... they push the rhetoric too far and just end up with a periodic drama storm (that can include publicity hungry politicians) that quickly blows over and everything is right back where it started.


There is a difference between feeling something is gambling (a persons moral view), and it actually being gambling (as defined by law or statute). There is a difference here, but it usually gets muddied in discussions here by drive by "gambling" accusations and declarations. I support everyone's right to take any moral view they choose personally for them ... but that does not give them the right to try to make everyone else conform to their personal moral view.
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Quraswren
02.15.2018 , 10:56 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
SNIP...

So this is yet another rumour/article that shows there is a storm going on behind the scenes that we are barely aware of. But the important question I want to ask is what this will mean for SWTOR. If EA loses their right to make Star Wars games does that mean Bioware will have to shut down Star Wars The Old Republic? Or is there a possibility that the SWTOR title will be taken over by Ubisoft or Activision and continue under their care?
I have no doubt there are some heated debates going on behind the scenes between EA and Disney given the fiasco and just how true it has been that what EA has done with the SW IP haven't been very good.

Throw in bioware/EA and how they continue to drive this game into the ground and I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out there are some talks about stopping development for SWTOR. Riding the cash as long as they can work the cash shop.

But if all thats true and they were to lose the SW Ip. It would ultimately mean SWTOR actually gets closed down. Just like Marvel heroes. One day things are as bleak as they are now. The next day, word on closing the game down. It will happen just that fast. Little to no warning except all the rumors we have been reading that some claimed were not true.

SWTOR would simply fade away and be gone. I don't think this game would be handed over to another company to take over. IF anything, another company might start over with something new.
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IoNonSoEVero
02.15.2018 , 10:59 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
True, but it is even simpler then this in the context of the "protect the children" meme ----> there are already consumer safeguards in place that demonstrate reasonable diligence by corporations........ you cannot purchase or access without a valid credit or debit card.. and consumer protections are structured around parents responsibility in this regard. If a parent does not want their child exposed to such things.. then don't give the child credit/debit access to be able to make unsupervised transactions.

And for the "protect the addicted to gambling" meme.... it has been well established that as long as a company is conducting business in a commercially ethical manner (sorry... personal player moral opinions do not decide this) and take steps to both encourage and warn players to ----> play responsibly.... the actual protect the addicted aspect rests with the adult accessing said service or product.

You can note in the US the following on any commercial or other advertisement for casinos: Please gamble responsibly... if you feel you have a gambling problem, please contact <they insert a gambling addiction hotline number here>. This is exactly the same with any commercial or other advertisement for alcohol too... and in the states that now have legal recreational MMJ... same thing. Point being... a company is not responsible for your addictions, they are only responsible for being prudent about what they sell and how they sell it. The actual sale however, rests on the buyer.

A business offering a completely legal product or service that triggers your addiction behavior... is not their responsibility and unless you can clearly demonstrate in court that they are derelict of basic commercial responsibility and practices (sorry... violating your personal moral view is not grounds) ... any claims against the company are groundless.

Please Note: my above comments are not a moral statement.. it is a commercial statement. If you have moral objections to a product of service... do not participate, but if you insist on participating anyway....and you feel laws must be changed to fit your moral narrative... then you are under the whim and will of your local legislators.
Yep, I do agree with this. For a kid to make a Cartel Coin purchase on SWTOR they either have to a) earn the coins through game achievements; b) get the coins as 'allowances' from the security key or subscription; or c) have a credit card. In the first two cases it's not really 'real world' money; in the third case it's the parents' or guardians' responsibility to control things because any credit card that's going to be used is theirs.

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Kurj
02.15.2018 , 11:05 AM | #44
I think the loot box issue is overblown. The PR is bad at this point, which probably does concern Disney. That aside, however, I don't see anything wrong with cartel packs, and it's unlikely that Disney is going to foreclose a potential revenue source.

On the OP's topic - I'm assuming that BioWare and EA will put less focus on SW games if they lose their exclusive license, because it's far more profitable to make your own IPs and avoid royalty payments. If you've got the exclusive license and know folks have to come to you, you can afford to invest less effort. If there is competition, you have to work harder, which draws more effort away from your own IPs. BioWare folks (including James Ohlen) have repeatedly said they are focused on developing their own IPs for this very reason. I am assuming that motivation would increase if the reward vs. effort metric changes due to losing the exclusive license.
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TUXs
02.15.2018 , 11:15 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurj View Post
I think the loot box issue is overblown. The PR is bad at this point, which probably does concern Disney. That aside, however, I don't see anything wrong with cartel packs, and it's unlikely that Disney is going to foreclose a potential revenue source.
I don't think Disney is looking for alternatives because of gambling, they're looking because EA has absolutely squandered the IP. EA has only managed to release TWO Star Wars games...what the hell lol. Obviously Star Wars means nothing to EA, but it does mean something to Disney.
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menofhorror
02.15.2018 , 11:15 AM | #46
Wow OP ,stop with these clickbait ******** articles.

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menofhorror
02.15.2018 , 11:21 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I don't think Disney is looking for alternatives because of gambling, they're looking because EA has absolutely squandered the IP. EA has only managed to release TWO Star Wars games...what the hell lol. Obviously Star Wars means nothing to EA, but it does mean something to Disney.
Oh come on now. Star Wars is the same for EA as it is for Disney. A cash cow which is understandable.
Sometimes in video game development things don't go well. It's not like EA wanted to cancel the Visceral game.

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NightmareSithLor
02.15.2018 , 11:25 AM | #48
I don't buy and don't play any EA games because they are all based on slot machine style gambling. They are total and complete garbage. I keep one account here on SWTOR in the hopes that something good will happen. Even then, I don't play even a little bit and I certainly don't buy CCs.

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IoNonSoEVero
02.15.2018 , 11:28 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by menofhorror View Post
Oh come on now. Star Wars is the same for EA as it is for Disney. A cash cow which is understandable.
Sometimes in video game development things don't go well. It's not like EA wanted to cancel the Visceral game.
No, but if the reports are true that EA is funneling almost all resources into Anthem and neglecting SWTOR - which would certainly seem plausible given the content drought - it's reasonable to think that they're squandering the IP. I'd guess that Disney doesn't want SWTOR or any other Star Wars property to be an afterthought.

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SaerethDL
02.15.2018 , 11:41 AM | #50
ubisoft or activision.. really? they can't do any better. how about obsidian or CDPR.
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