DeaconX Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Source: http://furiousfanboys.com/2012/01/tor-has-350k-concurrent-players-and-minimal-impact-on-wow/ Can't be right...right? "After only a couple weeks online, the news for The Old Republic has gone from good to bad. Following some drama over the weekend, news has come out that after one week on the UK charts the game dropped from #10 to #38. Now the analysts are stepping in and while they see a healthy MMO market, they don’t think that TOR is hurting WoW at all: Baird Equity estimates that the game has peak concurrent users of roughly 350,000 players. According to analysts at Cowen and Company the uptake of The Old Republic has had “minimal apparent impact” on Blizzard and Activision’s market-leading World of Warcraft. Hopefully things pick up and the concurrent player base grows, otherwise the game will become like Warhammer Online in a few months." Definition of CONCURRENT1: operating or occurring at the same time 2a : running parallel b : convergent; specifically : meeting or intersecting in a point 3: acting in conjunction 4: exercised over the same matter or area by two different authorities <concurrent jurisdiction> Considering the game sold like hot-cakes and IS much better than anything currently out there (at least in my experience) ... 350k concurrently at PEAK times or what? who knows *shrug* I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Edited January 5, 2012 by DeaconX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattvard Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demontang Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 No objections here, sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asquinol Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Funny thing about TOR "dropping" sales in the UK. EVERY game higher than it on the list is a console or SP game. TOR is still the top selling MMO in the UK. 350K concurrent players isn't too shabby to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Crueak Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 even if true which i doubt since the numbers come from an unofficial source which is unreliable at best. they are still talking about CONCURRENT users not total users. WOW may have 11 millions subscriptions but they don't have 11 million concurrent users. Not everyone that is subbed plays at the same times so only a given percentage of the population plays at certain parts of the day. Also certain timze zones could be more popular they could be say 350k conccurent users during the UK prime time while here in the US it could be double. my guess is as good as theirs. In the end it is just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marusha Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 350k Is pretty good actually. I remember someone from BW claimed that they only need 500k subscribers to call this MMO a successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KommissarK Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Does anyone actually have a number for WoW's max concurrent users? I imagine their servers are a tad beefier, but they also have way more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit_Furso Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Does anyone actually have a number for WoW's max concurrent users? I imagine their servers are a tad beefier, but they also have way more. 250k'is according to warcraft realms So yeah it's true, TOR is bigger then WoW atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattvard Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 350k Is pretty good actually. I remember someone from BW claimed that they only need 500k subscribers to call this MMO a successful. No doubt. It's not going to make a big impact on WoW though, as the article was on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordelia Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Funny thing about TOR "dropping" sales in the UK. EVERY game higher than it on the list is a console or SP game. TOR is still the top selling MMO in the UK. 350K concurrent players isn't too shabby to be honest. Lol. That's almost like saying ToR is the best selling game with a Star Wars theme. The majority of the other MMO's have been out for ages, of course it will be selling more than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollah Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 350K is amazing. WoW at its peak never had more than 500K people logged in at the same time in NA/EU. That is how fast this game has grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zImperium Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 350k concurrent users...World of Warcraft didn't have 350k REGISTERED ACCOUNTS at launch. That's a fricken awesome number. Heck, WoW didn't gain their first Million Registered accounts until like 8months after the game launched. Most MMOs nowadays don't even launch with more than 100k subs. TOR has set the new bar. All these naysayers are just jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishtori Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 just wait until people actually have to pay to play this game. so that number should start to tank fairly quickly. but yeah, I've seen approximate similar number thrown around in the investment community so not too far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enginer Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The game will be a Warhammer Clone in terms of subs it seems - I am just nervious that after the first month and the game drops in subs - you will start to see the cries for server merges. And that is when it gets very scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astron_ Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 250k'is according to warcraft realms So yeah it's true, TOR is bigger then WoW atm. Lol....some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsaucdiv Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 It's not about "beating" WoW. It's NEVER been about "beating" WoW. It's about making a profit. 350k concurrent users at $15/month is 5.25 million dollars a MONTH. And that's just concurrent users, who represent maybe a quarter (I could be wrong on that, just a guesstimate) of the total subscriber population, so a conservative guess is they're pulling in 15 million a month in subscriptions (making generous leeway for people who drop after free month). I won't even begin to speculate on what the costs inherent to running this game are, I work for a software company that runs most of our stuff in a hosted environment and I know we spend ungodly amounts of money to keep everything running, but $15 million a month is nothing to sneer at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilancloud Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Here's a more trusted article on the topic: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/star-wars-the-old-republic-sees-early-success/2012/01/03/gIQAVpKvYP_story.html Edited January 5, 2012 by ilancloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishtori Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 350k concurrent users...World of Warcraft didn't have 350k REGISTERED ACCOUNTS at launch. That's a fricken awesome number. Heck, WoW didn't gain their first Million Registered accounts until like 8months after the game launched. Most MMOs nowadays don't even launch with more than 100k subs. TOR has set the new bar. All these naysayers are just jealous. no mmo, including WOW didn't have a $300 million budget either. you're leaving out some important numbers there to call swtor as setting a new bar. Maybe more of a lesson for other companies in what NOT to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicksDigHarleys Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Concurrent users <> subscribers. Typically, between 10-15% of a game's subscribers are logged on at any given time. EVE has about 330k subs, but nowadays I only see between 30k-40k logged on. I said before release I'd be surprised if they had 500k subs after six months. I still stand by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Source: http://furiousfanboys.com/2012/01/tor-has-350k-concurrent-players-and-minimal-impact-on-wow/ Can't be right...right? "After only a couple weeks online, the news for The Old Republic has gone from good to bad. Following some drama over the weekend, news has come out that after one week on the UK charts the game dropped from #10 to #38. Now the analysts are stepping in and while they see a healthy MMO market, they don’t think that TOR is hurting WoW at all: Baird Equity estimates that the game has peak concurrent users of roughly 350,000 players. According to analysts at Cowen and Company the uptake of The Old Republic has had “minimal apparent impact” on Blizzard and Activision’s market-leading World of Warcraft. Hopefully things pick up and the concurrent player base grows, otherwise the game will become like Warhammer Online in a few months." Considering the game sold like hot-cakes and IS much better than anything currently out there (at least in my experience) I'm taking this with a grain of salt... Uh, they fail to mention and conveniently so that those UK numbers do not include digital sales, only hard box sales. SWTOR's digital sales are however through the roof because not everyone needs to have a hard copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti_Ninja Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) OP, and everyone else, learn to read. 350k concurrent means there are only 350k people online at the same time... but the actual user base is around 1.5 million. You do realize the EU and USA are pretty far apart when it comes to timezones, right? People work and play at different times. Edited January 5, 2012 by Spaghetti_Ninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunhavaname Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems about right. I don't think many understand what the word "concurrent" means. It doesn't mean theres only 350k active subscribers, it means theres 350k players ON at the same time which is not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Crueak Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 no mmo, including WOW didn't have a $300 million budget either. you're leaving out some important numbers there to call swtor as setting a new bar. Maybe more of a lesson for other companies in what NOT to do. SWTOR did not have a 300 million budge either, that was a false rumor. The only numbers that EA has put out about dev costs is 80 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralty Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Here is a definition of concurrent for you. Definition of CONCURRENT1: operating or occurring at the same time 2a : running parallel b : convergent; specifically : meeting or intersecting in a point 3: acting in conjunction 4: exercised over the same matter or area by two different authorities <concurrent jurisdiction> Concurrent does not mean all subscriptions. 350k concurrent players is huge. The analysts you mentioned are not analysts if they don't know what this means. They are intertards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiracle Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Source: http://furiousfanboys.com/2012/01/tor-has-350k-concurrent-players-and-minimal-impact-on-wow/ Can't be right...right? "After only a couple weeks online, the news for The Old Republic has gone from good to bad. Following some drama over the weekend, news has come out that after one week on the UK charts the game dropped from #10 to #38. Now the analysts are stepping in and while they see a healthy MMO market, they don’t think that TOR is hurting WoW at all: Baird Equity estimates that the game has peak concurrent users of roughly 350,000 players. According to analysts at Cowen and Company the uptake of The Old Republic has had “minimal apparent impact” on Blizzard and Activision’s market-leading World of Warcraft. Hopefully things pick up and the concurrent player base grows, otherwise the game will become like Warhammer Online in a few months." Considering the game sold like hot-cakes and IS much better than anything currently out there (at least in my experience) I'm taking this with a grain of salt... Thats sales in the UK? When did the UK include NA? Edited January 5, 2012 by Amiracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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