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6.0 Gearing and Content - An explanation from a PTS player

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6.0 Gearing and Content - An explanation from a PTS player

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Toraak
10.14.2019 , 12:32 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Storm-Cutter View Post
Can you expand on this last bit pls. I'm guessing tech fragments are the new UCs, but do the old set bonuses no longer work or no longer mix and match?

Also need clarification on the slot machines. - Is this some new mechanic or a metaphor for some new system.

Sorry to be a PITA but I don't read the forums as often as before, nor play as much as I would like. I'm assuming that PVP and dailies are gonna be a reasonable way to progress gear in the future.

TY for the explanation thus far.
Tech Fragments are the new UC's, however you get them from running more then PvP. As for our current set bonuses, Whem you turn 75 instead of appearing green they show as red (Meaning they no longer function). So we will all be starting from scratch at max level for set bonuses.
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black_pyros
10.14.2019 , 12:36 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
In practice, it worked out a lot better than it sounds and if you were geared to run NIM operations prior to 6.0, you can still run NiM operations in those same places after 6.0 - the gear change won't affect you at all.
I don't think this statement is correct as you will lose your set bonus, if I remember it right.
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ZionHalcyon
10.14.2019 , 12:39 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by black_pyros View Post
I don't think this statement is correct as you will lose your set bonus, if I remember it right.
Yes, you lose your set bonus. But you will also be running lets say NiM EV, at the level where NiM EV was when it launched, at level sync 50. And look at how far gear has come since then? So when I say you can still run the content, you can still run the content. Even with the set bonus loss, and particularly if you have been keeping up with your gear since that particular operation launched.

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black_pyros
10.14.2019 , 12:44 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Yes, you lose your set bonus. But you will also be running lets say NiM EV, at the level where NiM EV was when it launched, at level sync 50. And look at how far gear has come since then? So when I say you can still run the content, you can still run the content. Even with the set bonus loss, and particularly if you have been keeping up with your gear since that particular operation launched.
Well NiM EV isn't very good example as that one is laughably easy. I would be more concerned about missing set bonuses in operations like NiM GotM, NiM Dread Council, or HM Revan. Especially for some specs like Corruption sorc, which I can't really imagine to heal that type of content without CD reduction on Innervate.
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ZionHalcyon
10.14.2019 , 12:45 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Unless they changed it, it worked until 74 last I saw someone state on the PTS area.
It's 75 when it quits working.
Yeah, I could be wrong on that one - I wasn't sure.

Either way, the loss of set bonuses will be offset by the gear in the meantime.

As I was just explaining to someone else, lets take NiM KP for example, at the original level 50 it launched at.

Gear tier at that time I believe was what, 158 tops? It wasn't in the 200's yet, I know that.

But with the downscaling of Operations back to their original levels, the gear tiers that people have acquired since then more than make up for the loss of set bonuses in terms of any NiM DPS race.

This isn't me just theory crafting either - I ran a bunch of Ops in phase 2, before the gearing was implemented, on a transferred over, top spec (pre 6.0) character and ran some NiM to test the level sync for KP, and then later tested others in Phase 3.

I lost my set bonus out of the gate as I auto-leveled to 75, and yet still didn't have any troubles.

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ZionHalcyon
10.14.2019 , 12:50 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by black_pyros View Post
Well NiM EV isn't very good example as that one is laughably easy. I would be more concerned about missing set bonuses in operations like NiM GotM, NiM Dread Council, or HM Revan. Especially for some specs like Corruption sorc, which I can't really imagine to heal that type of content without CD reduction on Innervate.
I hear you, but one of the first things you are going to want to do it get a tactical that will help before going back, and that will help with the issues.

And still, even with those, item rating has still come a ways, and it will be ok in those.

Also, you may want to give the amplifier system a try - there are some that will help with heals. Just a fair warning - it can get very expensive though. The increases reset once a week.

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black_pyros
10.14.2019 , 01:12 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
I hear you, but one of the first things you are going to want to do it get a tactical that will help before going back, and that will help with the issues. And still, even with those, item rating has still come a ways, and it will be ok in those.
Sadly, not every stat in this down-sync is better. Endurance, Mastery, Power stays low. Not really sure if little more on other stats make for the loss of set bonuses. Also, you said in your OP, that we don't have to worry about not having new gear for old operations and now you are negating that with the "we will have to worry with adding new tacticals." Not saying that to bash you, personally i don't see that much problem with farming new gear. After all, repeated gear farm is natural for MMOs.

But this is also problem in PvP, players with old gear with removed set bonuses will also be in disadvantage when facing players in new gear with new set bonuses, despite bolster gives both roughly same stats.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Also, you may want to give the amplifier system a try - there are some that will help with heals. Just a fair warning - it can get very expensive though. The increases reset once a week.
Again, amplifiers are something, only new gear can have if I understand it correctly - you can't get them on your old gear when all you want to do is old content. Are you sure about cost reset every week? If that is true, this will be helpful.
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Toraak
10.14.2019 , 01:22 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
I hear you, but one of the first things you are going to want to do it get a tactical that will help before going back, and that will help with the issues.

And still, even with those, item rating has still come a ways, and it will be ok in those.

Also, you may want to give the amplifier system a try - there are some that will help with heals. Just a fair warning - it can get very expensive though. The increases reset once a week.
Are you sure on this? when I tried the amplifiers out on PTS, I didn't notice a reset the next week.
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ZionHalcyon
10.14.2019 , 01:32 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
Are you sure on this? when I tried the amplifiers out on PTS, I didn't notice a reset the next week.
Well, I thought there was a weekly reset. Thing is, I went nuts on the terminal to get enough to first get my set bonus from the kai zykken vendor, and then again to roll the amps I wanted on everything. However as prices increased, it got boring to keep going, so I thought I gave up on a few pieces. When I came back to them at a later date (more than a week), I was starting from the 5k again.

I'll be the first to say that if I am wrong on this, than it REALLY makes amplifiers not even worth the time invested, and no BioWare, I will not keep trying for gear with the "right" amplifier as a carrot on the end of the stick - at this point, I would just forget about the system altogether.

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black_pyros
10.14.2019 , 01:37 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Well, I thought there was a weekly reset. Thing is, I went nuts on the terminal to get enough to first get my set bonus from the kai zykken vendor, and then again to roll the amps I wanted on everything. However as prices increased, it got boring to keep going, so I thought I gave up on a few pieces. When I came back to them at a later date (more than a week), I was starting from the 5k again.

I'll be the first to say that if I am wrong on this, than it REALLY makes amplifiers not even worth the time invested, and no BioWare, I will not keep trying for gear with the "right" amplifier as a carrot on the end of the stick - at this point, I would just forget about the system altogether.
You gave me hope. And then took it. Shame on you.
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