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bobmcbo
08.16.2012 , 02:10 PM | #1
I was just thinking about a possible spec that could make DPS operatives actually decent. I don't know much about what good combos there could be with a hybrid spec, but I thought combining the medic and lethality trees would both do some decent damage and not sacrifice survivability.

Here is is; I may not know what I'm doing, but tell me what you think- http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#40...hZZhrrkMrMzz.2
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Ryemfoh
08.17.2012 , 03:09 AM | #2
Hybrid specs (including ones similar to the one you posted) have been looked at a few times in the past - if you search the forum I'm sure you'll find more info. Basically the problem is that the top-tier abilities in the damage tree make up more than 15% of your damage output in a fight. This is far too much for any hybrid spec to make up.

Also, unless you go high enough in the Med tree to pick up Surgical Probe, you really don't gain enough survivability from Probe (particularly without Medical Therapy) to justify the energy cost in a DPS build. Coupled with Lethality which has very high energy costs to begin with, I think you'll find your survivability is actually worse than a pure build which can finish fights much faster due to higher damage output.

TL;DR: Don't do it - that spec sucks.
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bobmcbo
08.17.2012 , 08:06 AM | #3
Ok, I was worried about energy.
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Syberduh
08.17.2012 , 03:14 PM | #4
Yeah unfortunately none of the operative trees have much synergy with any of the others. Though some insist you can have success with a healing/concealment hybrid I've yet to see a FRAPS of it being used in a rated match.

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Ryemfoh
08.18.2012 , 02:54 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Syberduh View Post
Yeah unfortunately none of the operative trees have much synergy with any of the others. Though some insist you can have success with a healing/concealment hybrid I've yet to see a FRAPS of it being used in a rated match.
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vZOfyg6RQs

It is basically a specialist solo spec. I've played it a few times, and it's really strong, but when the battle heats up I'm never sure whether to focus heal or focus damage which probably makes me a bit less effective in this spec than others who aren't used to specializing.

As a solo PVE spec it is simply unstoppable. You can easily solo all of the dailies (including Ilum and Black Hole heroics), even in mixed Tionese / Columi gear.
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tacito
08.19.2012 , 11:44 AM | #6
Agreed. The Med/Leth hybrid is great for solo PvE (I mean great), quite a lot of fun in PvP, and... basically completely useless in group PvE.

As was already mentioned, the top tier talents in all trees are far too good to skip, so for group oriented PvE, there's really no justification for any hybrid spec. Also, Lethality and Concealment have about as much synergy as my Windows 7 and Debian installs. They coexist, they don't usually fight each other, but that's basically it. Both get most jobs done, for many things it's largely a question of flavour, but one doesn't become less valuable without the other.

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randiesel
08.19.2012 , 12:03 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by bobmcbo View Post
I was just thinking about a possible spec that could make DPS operatives actually decent. I don't know much about what good combos there could be with a hybrid spec, but I thought combining the medic and lethality trees would both do some decent damage and not sacrifice survivability.

Here is is; I may not know what I'm doing, but tell me what you think- http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#40...hZZhrrkMrMzz.2
I've toyed with similar specs in the past and yes, while your energy regeneration is much better than you normally would be at by going full 31 pts into a particular tree, your damage is crippled. That particular build you have is one I tried, among others, and they only yield 66% damage of say a full concealment build.

I think we'd all love to have more energy all the time, but test numbers show it is just not that great, unfortunately.

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Syberduh
08.19.2012 , 01:46 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Ryemfoh View Post
None of these are rated matches.

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Nizel
08.23.2012 , 12:01 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Syberduh View Post
None of these are rated matches.
It doesn't have to be a rated match to see the strength of the build. This hybrid medicine/concealment spec is by far and away the highest survivability build of any class in the game. It excels at solo node defense, and there is a degree of synergy, as its the only way you can vanish and pop right out and heal someone as a healer with most of your tools.
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Syberduh
08.23.2012 , 02:37 AM | #10
It works fine against the average competition in a non-rated WZ. I know that. I've played the spec. Thing is, against that level of competition 31 point concealment works fine as well. I get annoyed with people promoting it like it's a real option for competitive play when there is no video evidence to back it up. The only vids of the spec that I see are people using it to make random pugs look like idiots. Anything in the hands of a competent player makes random pugs look like idiots (hint: they are idiots).