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A request to ace pilots


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Grozni
01.02.2015 , 02:25 PM | #1
I've been playing GSF for a few weeks now, long enough to identify certain things that make matches enjoyable - and not so enjoyable. My observations are probably similar to most pilots, both novice and expert alike.

I think most everyone would agree that the funnest and most memorable matches are the extremely close ones, in which leads are slim and often switch back and forth. And, at least to me, the most aggravating and boring matches occur when a seemingly pre-made team of expert pilots with maxed-out ships, coordinating via voice chat, goes against an opponent consisting primarily of novice pilots barely out of the flight tutorial. I've been on both sides of such slaughter-fests and they're nothing but /facepalms the whole time. They're certainly not fun for the losers, and I can't imagine how they'd be fun for the victors. I guess such pre-mades are made in the off-chance its members will go up against a similarly-constituted opponent.

There are many matches, however, in which one super-ace pilot completely dominates. To these guys I humbly ask, "dial it down" a bit. What's being gained by your 25-0 K/D? Certainly not anyone's fun. Certainly not your teammates' and opponents' skill levels. And certainly not the long-term health of GSF.

If it's clear your team is facing a bunch of noobs, perhaps hop in your bomber and play support? At the least, don't play your fully kitted scout, obliterating everyone within 2 seconds under a hail of rocket pods and quad lasers. In other words, strive for a proportionate response. Bring your A-game against A-teams, not scrubs. Everyone will thank you for it.

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Altheran
01.02.2015 , 02:32 PM | #2
Flaming responses in 3.. 2.. 1...

(I don't disagree with you - a guild has actually killed GSF on evenings on my server)

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Deathminded
01.02.2015 , 02:53 PM | #3
Hello.

This thing has been going on quite long time. Since there isnt currently any way to do ace vs ace matches. My imperial pilot is often facing massivly outskilled rep teams.

Imperial side dont have so many players to form decend GSF guild. I started pooling those pilots that I found good
players and nice persons. Even without guild I can sometimes form premades that can put up a fight agaist the reps.

Personally I wanna play at my best as often possible. I do feel bad sometimes when my premade stomps rookie rep teams. Also when Im facing impossible odds I try to make most of it and improve my skills agaist the top players. Stick to your guns and dont lose heart!

I do play on the reps too my win % is pretty high there compared to imps

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Danylia
01.02.2015 , 03:35 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Grozni View Post
There are many matches, however, in which one super-ace pilot completely dominates. To these guys I humbly ask, "dial it down" a bit. What's being gained by your 25-0 K/D? Certainly not anyone's fun. Certainly not your teammates' and opponents' skill levels. And certainly not the long-term health of GSF.

If it's clear your team is facing a bunch of noobs, perhaps hop in your bomber and play support? At the least, don't play your fully kitted scout, obliterating everyone within 2 seconds under a hail of rocket pods and quad lasers. In other words, strive for a proportionate response. Bring your A-game against A-teams, not scrubs. Everyone will thank you for it.
I support the request, I really do. However, as with most things in life, it's not really black/white.

1) It can work in Domination, where the veteran parks their ship on one satellite and drinks a cup of coffee while letting the rest of pilots fight for the remaining two satellites, but it is more difficult in TDM, and not only because of the non-contributing debuff.

2) Veteran pilots usually go for the gameplay first and foremost. They may spend the ~10 minutes idling or flying in a way/ship which they don't enjoy, but no one can really call them out for not doing so; their enjoyment is as valuable as everyone else's enjoyment.

3) It would only work if - after "taking the veteran out of the equation" - the remaining teams would be roughly equal. It's not uncommon though that one side has decent "newbies", while the other has the veteran and the rest is conquest points farmers, AFKers who only want the daily rewards, and pilots who are hopeless but don't give a **** about that. In such case, the veteran has no other choice but to go for what looks like "ego boosting", but in fact is "alone against all" fight.
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Last nights group finder was a mess. The short version is that two of the people were really bad but the tank was pretty good. After we called it I asked the tank if he wanted to queue up with me. He said "I'm eleven and I have to go to bed".
The one guy who knew what he was doing was eleven years old.

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Danalon
01.02.2015 , 03:45 PM | #5
I usually play only as good as I need to for winning a game. However lately there is more and more gunship (tdm) and bomber (dom) spam on my server. As it's difficult to counter those while in a random group, I prefer to fly in premade groups. It's more a side effect than actual intention if our premade dominates - there's simply nothing else to do.

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Ramalina
01.02.2015 , 03:56 PM | #6
Well, going easy on the other side may work for merely competent pilots, but skill is so important in GSF that an all-noob team can be crushed by a skilled pilot flying an un-upgraded ship that they don't even like while goofing off and not seriously trying to win.

I've wound up doing that a few times, and I'm not a super-ace by any stretch of the imagination. Incidental kills as you try to grab every single powerup on the map for yourself can really add up over the course of a game.

I'll also point out that being a support bomber is only 'nice' in TDM matches, in domination games against newcomers it's a potential source of 1000-0 final scores.

The proper request is that the aces get on their T2 gunships in a double torpedo build. That's about as much handicap as you can get in GSF. Even then, while goofing off, there are pilots that are still going to be highly destructive. Just not nearly as destructive as they'd be playing seriously in a good ship.

Really the effective thing to do is not to go easy on the other team. The effective thing to do is to log over to an alt on the other faction, get people to group que, and if at all possible use VIOP to mentor them a bit.

It works really well, except in those cases where as soon as you switch sides it's suddenly the faction you just left getting consistently crushed.
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SammyGStatus
01.02.2015 , 04:30 PM | #7
As part of the 'lower tier' of aces, I can only say YES!!! That Japanese kid and Scrables just destroy everybody and it's not fair to the rest of us who are trying to play. I repeatedly ask them to play GS but they can't hear me from the top of the charts.


In all seriousness, sometimes there us nothing that can be done. Solve the problem at the source - don't match aces with non aces. How to do this? We can't - BW needs to take that lead. Even a ranking system like chess with a global pool would improve experiences by allowing tiers to stay within defined constraints, provided the pool can sustain that much seperation.

This was a good post though, because it continues to shed light in the biggest issue - MATCHMAKING!!
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TheGreatSatan
01.02.2015 , 05:36 PM | #8
No mercy.

The closest I come to going easy on someone is picking a ship without upgrades (which I have to switch to an alt to do), and this typically doesn't make much difference. It takes me a little longer to kill someone, and it makes matches against other good pilots who aren't flying non upgraded ships kind of stacked against me, but if you're very new or just not that great, you're simply not going to shoot me down until you've learned a thing or two. Even playing alts with no upgrades I can still completely dominate a pug vs pug match pretty handily.

You should know, though, that if I'm against a mix of good pilots and new pilots, I will typically go out of my way to fight good pilots and only pay much attention to bad ones if they chase/harass me or if they're guarding an objective. The only time I'll deliberately pick off easy targets is if I come into a Team Death Match in progress and my team is way behind. It's fun to pull a victory out of a huge kill deficit.

I know it's tough out there, but the very nature of GSF insists that it be. Those with perseverance will come to master GSF. Those who frustrate easily are going to have a rough time. If you see someone kicking people's asses left and right, feel free to message them for tips/advice/general information.

I will not give you mercy, but I will happily give advice ^_~.
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tunewalker
01.02.2015 , 08:52 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan View Post
No mercy.

The closest I come to going easy on someone is picking a ship without upgrades (which I have to switch to an alt to do), and this typically doesn't make much difference. It takes me a little longer to kill someone, and it makes matches against other good pilots who aren't flying non upgraded ships kind of stacked against me, but if you're very new or just not that great, you're simply not going to shoot me down until you've learned a thing or two. Even playing alts with no upgrades I can still completely dominate a pug vs pug match pretty handily.

You should know, though, that if I'm against a mix of good pilots and new pilots, I will typically go out of my way to fight good pilots and only pay much attention to bad ones if they chase/harass me or if they're guarding an objective. The only time I'll deliberately pick off easy targets is if I come into a Team Death Match in progress and my team is way behind. It's fun to pull a victory out of a huge kill deficit.

I know it's tough out there, but the very nature of GSF insists that it be. Those with perseverance will come to master GSF. Those who frustrate easily are going to have a rough time. If you see someone kicking people's asses left and right, feel free to message them for tips/advice/general information.

I will not give you mercy, but I will happily give advice ^_~.
How about swapping to a Mastered T1 or T2 strike .

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tommmsunb
01.02.2015 , 10:27 PM | #10
I used to do this but it proved to be even less fun for more wasted time. Now I just work to end the match as quickly as possible, these matches going between 6-7 minutes for dom and a 4-6 minutes for TDM. It's the most painless method available right now.

What this really requires is a cross-server ace queue or just a congregation server we all go to after a certain skill level. People may disagree with me on what that level is.


Also Sam I played a gunship yesterday and Xiao was right, I did zoom in and out a lot trying to fire pods.
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