enoax Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) EDIT: Please note the assumption i made in this OP are wrong. Please see page 3 of identicle sorc thread. The different proc relics use different crit stats to determine a crit. In summary: Internal=tech Kinetic=tech Elemental=force Energy=force Oringal post: Noticed last night my pathetic crit rate for this proc relic. Looked into it a bit and I feel Sages/Sorcs are getting screwed with the crit mechanic on these relics. I believe the underlying reason is we are really a melee class (have a saber and free melee attack) yet our melee crit rate isn't affected by willpower. It looks to me as these proc relics use range/melee crit rates Using dummy and Dread guard relic of dark radiance Slinger with internal proc relic (DG) -> his ranged crit rate is 41% (tech is 40%). Relic critted 43%. http://www.torparse.com/a/57367 Sage with internal proc relic (DG) ->melee crit rate 21.28% (force crit rate 37%). Relic critted 15% http://www.torparse.com/a/57392 I can find sentinel parses from our guild using the campaign version (burning force) which crit for >40%. http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/eef14011-5c5c-4c8c-a7c0-7bc5555b45a3/player/8#d=0,b=1 You could speculate that my low crit rate on my sage is just RNG. But from last night's run i was 19.5% relic crit rate with 3 hours of log data. http://www.torparse.com/a/56888 http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlog/6e252dc9-6bda-4919-92e6-fa34905f0054/overview#d=0,b=1 Looks like sages (and i'm assuming Sorc's) get screwed. Willpower doesn't affect our melee crit rate so it's always goign to be lower than other classes. This is broken and needs fixed Edited November 28, 2012 by enoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFishing Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Wow, that is a pretty striking difference. Worthy of an in-game bug report IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoL-K-Noob Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This is bull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ycoga Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) The sage link above lists a crit of 41%... and mentions corrosive injection. Edited November 27, 2012 by Ycoga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 I made a similar post in the sorc forums (generally better mechanics discussion there). See it for more details. Summary: my sin also has ~20% crit rate with the relic. I also tried the kinetic version with him with similar results. Maybe a tech crit rate mechanic rather than a melee crit rate mechanic as I originally proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPhoenixKnight Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 @ycoga that is over all crit % the corrosive injection is the relic dmg it is 14% crit and only did 20k dmg over 8 minutes and 20 seconds to be honest the proc relic is **** then if that is what it is like for a sage might as well have a WH power relic instead....most players run what on avg about 700 power for a bh geared toon so you are adding 113 more to that which is a 8% power increase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDisturbed Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) It seems internal is using the tech crit rate and elemental is using the force crit rate (From other posts on the forums, commandos are running into the same issue with the elemental). Perhaps if you had daily comms or in game time to swap the internal relic for a refund you could test this? Edited November 28, 2012 by DarkDisturbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoL-K-Noob Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It seems internal is using the tech crit rate and elemental is using the force crit rate (From other posts on the forums, commandos are running into the same issue with the elemental). Perhaps if you had daily comms or in game time to swap the internal relic for a refund you could test this? Is this confirmed or just speculation? If this is true this is BS. I have 0 daily comms and stupid to get another relic thats 300 daily comms..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 It seems internal is using the tech crit rate and elemental is using the force crit rate (From other posts on the forums, commandos are running into the same issue with the elemental). Perhaps if you had daily comms or in game time to swap the internal relic for a refund you could test this? Will try to confirm shortly, though it will be using my sin since he has the coms to play around with. My sages were spent long ago and i can't refund em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlosBC Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 @ycoga that is over all crit % the corrosive injection is the relic dmg it is 14% crit and only did 20k dmg over 8 minutes and 20 seconds to be honest the proc relic is **** then if that is what it is like for a sage might as well have a WH power relic instead....most players run what on avg about 700 power for a bh geared toon so you are adding 113 more to that which is a 8% power increase... 2 things you're missing: compare the difference between wh 113 power and the 47 static on the new DG relic. Then take that and convert it to bonus damage and compare that against total bonus damage. Wh relic is NOT an 8% increase in bonus damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 5, 2012 Author Share Posted December 5, 2012 I have been denied a refund for my relic because too much time has passed. I have recreated a ticket and make a thread in the customer support: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5522878#post5522878 Please post there if you've been denied so we can get some attention to this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuvox Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Which relic besides the Dread Guard Relic of Boundless Ages is correct then? If elemental damage is tied to force then we should get the Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Transcendence, correct? Well, I just DPS'd with it and unlike corrosive injection, which appears on the parsers, I cannot see that this relic does ANY damage at all. Has anyone tested the Dread Guard Relic of the Kinetic Tempest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoax Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Which relic besides the Dread Guard Relic of Boundless Ages is correct then? If elemental damage is tied to force then we should get the Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Transcendence, correct? Well, I just DPS'd with it and unlike corrosive injection, which appears on the parsers, I cannot see that this relic does ANY damage at all. Has anyone tested the Dread Guard Relic of the Kinetic Tempest? I tested them all on my sin, torparses for those tests are in the sorc thread with the identicle name. didn't have the coms to test them on my sage. Should get off my lasy arse and get the last 50 coms to buy another :/ maybe i'lldo that this weekend. Edited December 7, 2012 by enoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuvox Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) I tested them all on my sin, torparses for those tests are in the sorc thread with the identicle name. didn't have the coms to test them on my sage. Should get off my lasy arse and get the last 50 coms to buy another :/ maybe i'lldo that this weekend. Nevermind. Today the parser is showing the "burning force" effect from the Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Transcendence. The relic tends to crit between 42-52%. BTW. The Dread Guard Relic of Boundless Ages + the Dread Guard Relic of Elemental Transcendence are CURRENTLY providing me with about +25 more DPS than two War Hero Relics of Boundless Ages. However, with the release of 1.6 this Tuesday, 12-11, the first Elite War Hero pieces I will work towards are the Elite War Hero Relics of Boundless Ages. It will be interesting to see which set comes out on top. I'm guessing the Dread Guard relics will still be higher DPS but only by a small margin. Edited December 8, 2012 by Kuvox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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