Kaalenarc Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Hello all - im a relatively new player here so forgive me if this seems a bit off but I am absolutely boggled by the fact that if I die a few times in a given area - I am then presented with a choice of running all the way back from a bind point, or lying on the floor for TEN minutes. In what universe does this equate to fun? the 30 second for the first then two min for the second, ok - i get that - but to have my first full Heroic-4 group have to sit there and wait for ten minutes after a wipe was certainly a disappointment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Hello all - im a relatively new player here so forgive me if this seems a bit off but I am absolutely boggled by the fact that if I die a few times in a given area - I am then presented with a choice of running all the way back from a bind point, or lying on the floor for TEN minutes. In what universe does this equate to fun? the 30 second for the first then two min for the second, ok - i get that - but to have my first full Heroic-4 group have to sit there and wait for ten minutes after a wipe was certainly a disappointment... Or you can revive almost instantly at the nearest med center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmarer Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Well, if I am not wrong, if another wipe, the waiting time would have been increased again... it resets after a certain time without faceplanting though.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleyforrest Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Well, if I am not wrong, if another wipe, the waiting time would have been increased again... it resets after a certain time without faceplanting though.- It also resets if you go back to the med center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) And to clarify, OP, the nearest med center is not necessarily where the bind point is. Edited March 12, 2012 by Azzras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalenarc Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 Even so - thats often quite a run, or ride away - particularly if youre 3/4 of the way through a Heroic -4 zone. So again, Ill ask - what is the reason for such a lengthy downtime? I cant think of a gameplay based reason for one - can you? Ive played a lot of MMOs and Ive never seen that kind of design choice before. Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kailhun Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It's death's sting. If you die too much it's run or wait. The game would be a lot less fun if your character actually 'died'. You'd have to start from scratch every time you died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonezmccoy Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Or you can revive almost instantly at the nearest med center... I'm with the OP - the penalty doesn't seem so bad until you wind up in needing to go through a mob-choked tunnel to get back to the quest area you died in, and it becomes a fifteen minute festival of killing the same mobs you just killed. It's not a horrible problem, as areas like that are rare - but I've run into a couple of places with large quantities of elite pats, lots of strong stationary mobs, an a long tunnel full of fodder to kill over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jableson Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Even so - thats often quite a run, or ride away - particularly if youre 3/4 of the way through a Heroic -4 zone. So again, Ill ask - what is the reason for such a lengthy downtime? I cant think of a gameplay based reason for one - can you? Ive played a lot of MMOs and Ive never seen that kind of design choice before. Did I miss something? its better than running back to your corpse EVERY time you die no matter what.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If you're hitting the 10 min rez timer, you're probably in an area too high for your level. You get the 10 min delay after you die four times - I think that's Bioware's way of telling you that what you are attempting is too difficult for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjmc Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 The best thing to do (if you tend to die repeatedly) is to return to the medical centre whenever it is practical and save the medical droids for when it would be really inconvenient to run back. As noted above, there are medical centres all over the place and usually not a very far run from wherever you are. You can also unload some of your loot while you are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaera Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Even so - thats often quite a run, or ride away - particularly if youre 3/4 of the way through a Heroic -4 zone. So again, Ill ask - what is the reason for such a lengthy downtime? I cant think of a gameplay based reason for one - can you? Ive played a lot of MMOs and Ive never seen that kind of design choice before. Did I miss something? Uhhh, other MMOs usually just flat out make you run back to your corpse. Hence the term "corpse run." This MMO gives you the choice of either doing that, or reviving at your corpse. Neither of these scenarios, by the way, even goes into the fact that if there's another player close-by anyone can revive you, unlike other MMOs where you usually have to be a healer to resurrect other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashu-ri Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If you die enough to get a 10 minute revive timer, you need to go repair your gear anyway. And possibly stock up on stims or med packs. Trust me on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalenarc Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm with the OP - the penalty doesn't seem so bad until you wind up in needing to go through a mob-choked tunnel to get back to the quest area you died in, and it becomes a fifteen minute festival of killing the same mobs you just killed. It's not a horrible problem, as areas like that are rare - but I've run into a couple of places with large quantities of elite pats, lots of strong stationary mobs, an a long tunnel full of fodder to kill over and over again. I dont mind a "death sting" as someone else said above, I just wish it didnt make me waste time I could be enjoying the game. In other MMOs, you get xp debt, or a delay in revivng but to sit there for ten min seems excessive for a group to have to wait. Oh well, its a great game so far and Im enjoying it. Thankfully I dont die that much. I was just wondering if there was an actual gameplay based reason for it - sounds like there isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrosnwbrdr Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Im not with the OP, this games death penalty is weak compared to many MMOs out there. You get 3 shots at an area with a semi-decent rez timer. After the 4th you should probably re-evaluate what you are doing or if you should even be in this area. Edited March 12, 2012 by Nitrosnwbrdr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Well, if I am not wrong, if another wipe, the waiting time would have been increased again... it resets after a certain time without faceplanting though.- Stop dying so much lol, I did not even know it went that high and I have leveled 2 alts. Also you can go back to the medcenter and run back, pro tip: the run takes much less than 10 minutes, more like 30 seconds to 1 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupiddrummer Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 arbitrary punishment is arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Even so - thats often quite a run, or ride away - particularly if youre 3/4 of the way through a Heroic -4 zone. So again, Ill ask - what is the reason for such a lengthy downtime? I cant think of a gameplay based reason for one - can you? Ive played a lot of MMOs and Ive never seen that kind of design choice before. Did I miss something? In any other MMO you'd have to run all the way back to your body...and most (if not all) don't really have open world 4mans. I think the point to it is, get better, don't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kourage Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Stop trying to solo 4 man heroics. You died. You deserve a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaddon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I guess that the increasing time to be revived at the exact spot of death simply means the time for the "ahem" medical bot to arrive. One poster once said stop dying so often and in a small sense, he is right. If you have died enough for the counter to be now at 10 minutes, maybe it is too hard for you now, gear up, level up and try again. That being said, I also find the delay quite annoying but I understand it from a game mechanic point of view; It would be weird to move as a ghost to your corpse in a SCI-FI setting... Hence the medical bay where you respawn means the bot dragged your unconscious body there for treatment. When you respawn on location, the bot is dispatched. Call it too often, and it need longer between recharges... or something like that. And to clarify, OP, the nearest med center is not necessarily where the bind point is. Quite true. Flashpoints respawn you at the last med center, or in a defined half way, third way, quarter way point, depending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livnthedream Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I dont mind a "death sting" as someone else said above, I just wish it didnt make me waste time I could be enjoying the game. In other MMOs, you get xp debt, or a delay in revivng but to sit there for ten min seems excessive for a group to have to wait. Oh well, its a great game so far and Im enjoying it. Thankfully I dont die that much. I was just wondering if there was an actual gameplay based reason for it - sounds like there isnt. it to stop people from actively skipping trash with suicide runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 arbitrary punishment is arbitrary. You died, this isn't a arbitrary punishment by any means. It's the systems way of telling you that you need to rethink what you're doing, because you are in over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNEAKYSIX Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Try playing a game called Dark Souls or Demon souls to, if you die your respawn at start, you got one chance to return to your body to collect your loot. If you die you loose everything. Really harsh. Thus creating a careful approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nmaharg Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 This game has the most forgiving death system of any MMO ever. I don't see how anyone could complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupiddrummer Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You died, this isn't a arbitrary punishment by any means. It's the systems way of telling you that you need to rethink what you're doing, because you are in over your head. and pushing the amount of time from 30 secs to 10 mins is the arbitrary punishment. why do respawn times exist in games? They started in competitive games because you had to pace the time it took for players to respawn. In SWTOR, the time is completely arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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