You're playing a PvE game, complaining that PvEers get more content than PvPers is a pretty stupid complaint to make. People don't want mixed content, it wasn't asked for and the dozens of things that have been repeatedly asked for are still not in-game. PvE rewards for PvP content is a huge design flaw which, if they foolishly go ahead with, will just lose them more players- PvPers will have little use for the rewards, PvEers won't be able to get them because a gang of morons is almost certainly going to sit around all day preventing people from playing the game.

 

And if you don't like grouping, go play something else? Grouping is a key part of online gaming.

PVP is also a part of MMO's. and SWTOR is NOT a PVE only game. like most every MMO, the game has both PVE and PVP.

events like this encourage people to take part in both PVE and PVP and also encourage PVEers to group and work with PVPers. it is 100% your choice if you want to take part in the event or not.

oh and, stop saying "PVE rewards". if the rewards come from content that is in a PVP zone then clearly they are not "PVE rewards".

PVP is also a part of MMO's. and SWTOR is NOT a PVE only game. like most every MMO, the game has both PVE and PVP.

 

events like this encourage people to take part in both PVE and PVP and also encourage PVEers to group and work with PVPers. it is 100% your choice if you want to take part in the event or not.

 

oh and, stop saying "PVE rewards". if the rewards come from content that is in a PVP zone then clearly they are not "PVE rewards".

SWTOR is clearly more a PvE game than PvP, more so than other MMO's given the huge focus on story. And no, they don't, people who don't PvP don't have PvP gear, so the PvPers attack them and easily win, preventing them from taking part in the event. It is not a choice to be repeatedly killed by PvPers, you are deluded if you believe otherwise.

There are at least two enemies that are PvE enemies. That is not PvP. The HK quest required people to go to the Outlaw's Den, was HK PvP content? No- don't be so narrow-minded. This event is forcing players who dislike PvE to PvP. That is wrong. People do not want that. Sugarcoat it all you like, this is just a chance for PvPers to make life hell for PvE players and let's not pretend otherwise.

SWTOR is clearly more a PvE game than PvP, more so than other MMO's given the huge focus on story. And no, they don't, people who don't PvP don't have PvP gear, so the PvPers attack them and easily win, preventing them from taking part in the event. It is not a choice to be repeatedly killed by PvPers, you are deluded if you believe otherwise.

 

There are at least two enemies that are PvE enemies. That is not PvP. The HK quest required people to go to the Outlaw's Den, was HK PvP content? No- don't be so narrow-minded. This event is forcing players who dislike PvE to PvP. That is wrong. People do not want that. Sugarcoat it all you like, this is just a chance for PvPers to make life hell for PvE players and let's not pretend otherwise.

pretty much every MMO has more PVE content than PVP content. that doesnt mean they are PVE only games. PVE mobs in a PVP zones doesnt mean its PVE only content. its still PVP content because devs INTEND for PVP to be a part of getting to and completing that content.

everyone has PVP gear since recruit gear is given to you for free. for PVEers who dont PVP, group and work with people who do PVP and do have PVP gear. that is the point of having PVE mobs/bosses in a PVP zone. for imps and reps to FIGHT over the content and for PVEers and PVPers to work together. that way PVP occurs naturally instead of having kill trades and exploits that comes from PVP kill quests.

this is a MMO, so group and work with others to get to the PVP zone content. again, is your choice if you dont because you have some moral objection to anything PVP.

pretty much every MMO has more PVE content than PVP content. that doesnt mean they are PVE only games. PVE mobs in a PVP zones doesnt mean its PVE only content. its still PVP content because devs INTEND for PVP to be a part of getting to and completing that content.

 

everyone has PVP gear since recruit gear is given to you for free. for PVEers who dont PVP, group and work with people who do PVP and do have PVP gear. that is the point of having PVE mobs/bosses in a PVP zone. for imps and reps to FIGHT over the content and for PVEers and PVPers to work together. that way PVP occurs naturally instead of having kill trades and exploits that comes from PVP kill quests.

 

this is a MMO, so group and work with others to get to the PVP zone content. again, is your choice if you dont because you have some moral objection to anything PVP.

Oh right so HK was PvP content? Don't be ridiculous.

Recruit gear compares to a full set of Elite War Hero gear does it?

I have no objection to PvP, I have an objection to being forced to PvP to earn PvE rewards when I chose a PvE server specifically to avoid PvP. But since you are clearly incapable of understanding that it's pointless trying to explain it to you. The majority of people who want this are PvPers and we know exactly why they want it. Devs really need to start giving players what they want, or even the money-grabbing Cartel Market won't keep this game afloat another year.

Oh right so HK was PvP content? Don't be ridiculous.

Recruit gear compares to a full set of Elite War Hero gear does it?

I have no objection to PvP, I have an objection to being forced to PvP to earn PvE rewards when I chose a PvE server specifically to avoid PvP. But since you are clearly incapable of understanding that it's pointless trying to explain it to you. The majority of people who want this are PvPers and we know exactly why they want it. Devs really need to start giving players what they want, or even the money-grabbing Cartel Market won't keep this game afloat another year.

one part of the HK quest was PVP content since that part was found in a PVP zone. just like one part was end game PVE content, since that part was found in a HM FP.

as i said, if all you have is recruit gear, group with PVPers who have full gear. this is a MMO after all.

PVE server doesnt mean PVE only. sorry. all PVE servers mean is you dont have the risk getting ganked while leveling or doing dailies or anything else in non PVP zones. PVE servers have PVP content, both instanced PVP and areas that are open world PVP zones. anything put inside those open world PVP zones is PVP content.

for the upcomming event... any part of the event that takes place inside the ilum PVP zone is PVP content because as i said,, devs put it there because the intent is for both sides to battle over the content. that means any rewards that can be earned inside the PVP area are in fact PVP rewards. if they were PVE rewards then they would be in the nonPVP section of ilum.

lastly, you are not being forced to do anything.

Oh right so HK was PvP content? Don't be ridiculous.

Recruit gear compares to a full set of Elite War Hero gear does it?

I have no objection to PvP, I have an objection to being forced to PvP to earn PvE rewards when I chose a PvE server specifically to avoid PvP. But since you are clearly incapable of understanding that it's pointless trying to explain it to you. The majority of people who want this are PvPers and we know exactly why they want it. Devs really need to start giving players what they want, or even the money-grabbing Cartel Market won't keep this game afloat another year.

What you and other people don't seem to understand is that OWPvP is a different type of beast. You can't simply just put pvp rewards in owpvp areas or simply what happened last time will happen again. What has worked is that when Bioware puts PvE objectives and rewards in pvp areas pvp organically happens.

Example 1: The Rakghoul Event. Many pvpers believed that the best owpvp occured was during this event. It just organically happened. And alot of people had fun

Example 2: Section X after 1.5 launched. Section X had alot of pvp activity in the area especially around the dreadtooth area. Again pve objectives created oragnic pvp.

Example 3: HK part in outlaw's den: You may not like but the fact is the HK-51 part gave outlaw's den a purpose. There was now a reason to go there.

You're right about one thing. There are more pve'ers then pvp'ers. However its because there more pve'ers that you have to bring more pve rewards and objects to owpvp areas otherwise people are just going to do the minimum needed for pvp instead of having a more organic pvp

You say people don't like it when pve and pvp mix. From what i have experience the opposite is true. More people enjoy it when the two get together. They shouldn't be separate things.

Like the other person says group up with a pvp guild and have them escort you through the zone. But don't try to kill the fun of other people's simply because its not your cup of tea. Especially since most of the game leans towards your end anyway

BTW I am not a pvper I am a pve'er (rp as well) but i love to pvp at times. And I think this would be a great benifit to the pvp side

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And as to the HK part, I play on PvP server, but I have not encountered anyone PvPing in Outlaw's Den when getting the HK part. I just ran up to him, bought the stuff I needed, plus a few scanners for my alts and guild, and I shuttled out of there when I saw Imps approaching. But maybe it was just lucky hour when very few people were playing. Also, it is possible to purchase the Priority Transport Perk that drops you right next to the Jawa.

As someone who splits his time pretty much equally between endgame pve and pvp and found the plague event superb....

How do we even know that what is now the Illum pvp zone will stay a pvp zone? I could see BW reworking the place into a PvE zone, removing the auto flag. I'd hate that personally and would think it a giant missed opportunity, but I could see it happen, given the fact there is *zero* mention of PvP in any promotional material for it.

How do we even know that what is now the Illum pvp zone will stay a pvp zone?

They always said they want to keep the PvP there, and give us back open world PvP objectives. But they also had many months ago a poll in which they asked us if we would like to get some PvE elements into a PvP zone, and many (including me) liked that idea.

one part of the HK quest was PVP content since that part was found in a PVP zone. just like one part was end game PVE content, since that part was found in a HM FP.

 

as i said, if all you have is recruit gear, group with PVPers who have full gear. this is a MMO after all.

 

PVE server doesnt mean PVE only. sorry. all PVE servers mean is you dont have the risk getting ganked while leveling or doing dailies or anything else in non PVP zones. PVE servers have PVP content, both instanced PVP and areas that are open world PVP zones. anything put inside those open world PVP zones is PVP content.

 

for the upcomming event... any part of the event that takes place inside the ilum PVP zone is PVP content because as i said,, devs put it there because the intent is for both sides to battle over the content. that means any rewards that can be earned inside the PVP area are in fact PVP rewards. if they were PVE rewards then they would be in the nonPVP section of ilum.

 

lastly, you are not being forced to do anything.

Don't be stupid, HK was not PvP AT ALL. And why would PvPers group with PvEers when they can group with other PvPers? Saying anything inside a PvP zone is PvP content is pretty small-minded logic. It's not PvP content, it's just EAware screwing things up again.

What you and other people don't seem to understand is that OWPvP is a different type of beast. You can't simply just put pvp rewards in owpvp areas or simply what happened last time will happen again. What has worked is that when Bioware puts PvE objectives and rewards in pvp areas pvp organically happens.

 

Example 1: The Rakghoul Event. Many pvpers believed that the best owpvp occured was during this event. It just organically happened. And alot of people had fun

 

Example 2: Section X after 1.5 launched. Section X had alot of pvp activity in the area especially around the dreadtooth area. Again pve objectives created oragnic pvp.

 

Example 3: HK part in outlaw's den: You may not like but the fact is the HK-51 part gave outlaw's den a purpose. There was now a reason to go there.

 

You're right about one thing. There are more pve'ers then pvp'ers. However its because there more pve'ers that you have to bring more pve rewards and objects to owpvp areas otherwise people are just going to do the minimum needed for pvp instead of having a more organic pvp

 

You say people don't like it when pve and pvp mix. From what i have experience the opposite is true. More people enjoy it when the two get together. They shouldn't be separate things.

 

Like the other person says group up with a pvp guild and have them escort you through the zone. But don't try to kill the fun of other people's simply because its not your cup of tea. Especially since most of the game leans towards your end anyway

 

BTW I am not a pvper I am a pve'er (rp as well) but i love to pvp at times. And I think this would be a great benifit to the pvp side

You all seem incapable of understanding. If PvPers are going to be rewarded with PvE rewards, PvEers will be prevented from obtaining them (saying "group with PvPers" is stupid, with their mentality they will be grouping with other PvPers so they can go harass the other faction). The two examples you listed first were completely fine- I have no problem with PvE and PvP taking place alongside each other, what I do have a problem with is being prevented from acquiring PvE rewards because of PvPers harassing me.

You say I'm trying to kill the fun? If you PvPers wanted open world PvP so badly get off your arses and make it happen! Having to wait for PvE content to require forced PvP is just a clear indication of how bad PvPers must be at PvPing. But clearly you approve of this harassment...

I agree with those protesting the PVP/PVE mix. I rolled on a PVE server to get away from the world PVP jerks. I had eneugh of that crap in previous MMOs.

EA stop "enchourageing world PVP" or if you wanna enchourage it , create world PVP events that provide PVP rewards.

I agree with those protesting the PVP/PVE mix. I rolled on a PVE server to get away from the world PVP jerks. I had eneugh of that crap in previous MMOs.

 

EA stop "enchourageing world PVP" or if you wanna enchourage it , create world PVP events that provide PVP rewards.

^^ This

Pretty much sums up the whole argument. If you want PvP, chose a PvP server.

Oh right so HK was PvP content? Don't be ridiculous.

Recruit gear compares to a full set of Elite War Hero gear does it?

I have no objection to PvP, I have an objection to being forced to PvP to earn PvE rewards when I chose a PvE server specifically to avoid PvP. But since you are clearly incapable of understanding that it's pointless trying to explain it to you. The majority of people who want this are PvPers and we know exactly why they want it.

Yup, it's no brainer. Otherwise you can't understand what is it they find so compelling about having unwilling and inexperienced players so they can have fun

This is by far the most retarded thread I have ever read!

What is your problem? If you want to just do PvE then dont do PvP content! There is a lot of options for you still!

Believe it or not but this game is an MMO and it is supposed to have an open world plagued with conflict! If you dont like that? Well go play Diablo 3.. Theres some PvE corridors for you!

Seriously?! would it hurt you so much to have to group with some scary PvP:ers to do your dailys? I think it would be a fun experience for you to explore new frontiers.

Please BW do not listen to these closeminded people..

Best wishes

Dratten

This is by far the most retarded thread I have ever read!

 

What is your problem? If you want to just do PvE then dont do PvP content! There is a lot of options for you still!

 

Believe it or not but this game is an MMO and it is supposed to have an open world plagued with conflict! If you dont like that? Well go play Diablo 3.. Theres some PvE corridors for you!

 

Seriously?! would it hurt you so much to have to group with some scary PvP:ers to do your dailys? I think it would be a fun experience for you to explore new frontiers.

 

Please BW do not listen to these closeminded people..

 

Best wishes

 

Dratten

Agreement: This x1000.

Observation: Then again, such low level thinking is typical of most meatbags who lack talent.

^^ This

Pretty much sums up the whole argument. If you want PvP, chose a PvP server.

That's a pretty strange argument tbh. All PvE servers sport a healthy community of PvPers that rolled on a PvE server for various reasons. They/we deserve some content too, do we not?

Your problem is you seem fixated on expecting the worst possible experience. I really feel sorry for you, you must have been seriously traumatized in the past in terms of gankage. But as in life, you gotta stand up to the bullies. We've all been on the receiving end of the stick but let me tell you, there is no greater feeling than sending a would be harasser packing cos he bit off more than he could chew.

If done right the mix of pve and pvp with meaningful rewards (ala tol barad) is something beautiful. It brings people of a faction together, no matter the play styles, and cultivates the sense of life and of faction conflict on the server. Even if you don't pvp there are people on your faction that do and will fight there to enable you to pve (and carry them through the pve content lol). I'm not a member of my guilds main ops group doing the top top content, I fill gaps on occasion on things that arent at the spearhead of progression anymore, but if they gated an operation/flashpoint behind controlling the zone you can be damn sure all the pvpers in the guild would assault that zone to secure it for the ops team and take great pleasure in doing so. And you can extrapolate that faction wide, guilds would coordinate and collaborate, pvp OPS groups would spring up sucking up any pug in the area wanting in etc. etc.

This game needs such things to give it life cos atm it's as sterile as it gets, hang out on the fleet, go spank some hutt for some BH comms, hang around on the fleet and joke around /g chat again. There is no long term future in this. Not when all competitors are doing dynamic/reactive content. TOR can't stay in 2005 and expect success. It needs to push the envelope and by all indications they're not ambitious enough with trying these things.

Embrace the new concepts, get involved, make your fun. Or if you refuse cos you have some moral objection to partaking in PvP don't destroy it for those of us who would like something more than the soullessly compartmentalized and instanced endgame in TOR today, be we PvPers, PvEers or shockingly, people that do and enjoy both.

That's a pretty strange argument tbh. All PvE servers sport a healthy community of PvPers that rolled on a PvE server for various reasons. They/we deserve some content too, do we not?

 

Your problem is you seem fixated on expecting the worst possible experience. I really feel sorry for you, you must have been seriously traumatized in the past in terms of gankage. But as in life, you gotta stand up to the bullies. We've all been on the receiving end of the stick but let me tell you, there is no greater feeling than sending a would be harasser packing cos he bit off more than he could chew.

 

 

If done right the mix of pve and pvp with meaningful rewards (ala tol barad) is something beautiful. It brings people of a faction together, no matter the play styles, and cultivates the sense of life and of faction conflict on the server. Even if you don't pvp there are people on your faction that do and will fight there to enable you to pve (and carry them through the pve content lol). I'm not a member of my guilds main ops group doing the top top content, I fill gaps on occasion on things that arent at the spearhead of progression anymore, but if they gated an operation/flashpoint behind controlling the zone you can be damn sure all the pvpers in the guild would assault that zone to secure it for the ops team and take great pleasure in doing so. And you can extrapolate that faction wide, guilds would coordinate and collaborate, pvp OPS groups would spring up sucking up any pug in the area wanting in etc. etc.

 

This game needs such things to give it life cos atm it's as sterile as it gets, hang out on the fleet, go spank some hutt for some BH comms, hang around on the fleet and joke around /g chat again. There is no long term future in this. Not when all competitors are doing dynamic/reactive content. TOR can't stay in 2005 and expect success. It needs to push the envelope and by all indications they're not ambitious enough with trying these things.

 

Embrace the new concepts, get involved, make your fun. Or if you refuse cos you have some moral objection to partaking in PvP don't destroy it for those of us who would like something more than the soullessly compartmentalized and instanced endgame in TOR today, be we PvPers, PvEers or shockingly, people that do and enjoy both.

This. All of this.

This. All of this.

Agreed and I'm on a PVE sever myself

You all seem incapable of understanding. If PvPers are going to be rewarded with PvE rewards, PvEers will be prevented from obtaining them (saying "group with PvPers" is stupid, with their mentality they will be grouping with other PvPers so they can go harass the other faction). The two examples you listed first were completely fine- I have no problem with PvE and PvP taking place alongside each other, what I do have a problem with is being prevented from acquiring PvE rewards because of PvPers harassing me.

 

You say I'm trying to kill the fun? If you PvPers wanted open world PvP so badly get off your arses and make it happen! Having to wait for PvE content to require forced PvP is just a clear indication of how bad PvPers must be at PvPing. But clearly you approve of this harassment...

Here's what you don't seem to understand. You are not being forced to PvE. If they were implementing endgame gear and weapons and rewards then you would have a point. But if you go by their previous history with events. The rewards are Social and cosmetic items. So its not required for your PvE progression to do it. and last time I checked PvP is a SOCIAL element of the game as well.

That's a pretty strange argument tbh. All PvE servers sport a healthy community of PvPers that rolled on a PvE server for various reasons. They/we deserve some content too, do we not?

 

Your problem is you seem fixated on expecting the worst possible experience. I really feel sorry for you, you must have been seriously traumatized in the past in terms of gankage. But as in life, you gotta stand up to the bullies. We've all been on the receiving end of the stick but let me tell you, there is no greater feeling than sending a would be harasser packing cos he bit off more than he could chew.

 

 

If done right the mix of pve and pvp with meaningful rewards (ala tol barad) is something beautiful. It brings people of a faction together, no matter the play styles, and cultivates the sense of life and of faction conflict on the server. Even if you don't pvp there are people on your faction that do and will fight there to enable you to pve (and carry them through the pve content lol). I'm not a member of my guilds main ops group doing the top top content, I fill gaps on occasion on things that arent at the spearhead of progression anymore, but if they gated an operation/flashpoint behind controlling the zone you can be damn sure all the pvpers in the guild would assault that zone to secure it for the ops team and take great pleasure in doing so. And you can extrapolate that faction wide, guilds would coordinate and collaborate, pvp OPS groups would spring up sucking up any pug in the area wanting in etc. etc.

 

This game needs such things to give it life cos atm it's as sterile as it gets, hang out on the fleet, go spank some hutt for some BH comms, hang around on the fleet and joke around /g chat again. There is no long term future in this. Not when all competitors are doing dynamic/reactive content. TOR can't stay in 2005 and expect success. It needs to push the envelope and by all indications they're not ambitious enough with trying these things.

 

Embrace the new concepts, get involved, make your fun. Or if you refuse cos you have some moral objection to partaking in PvP don't destroy it for those of us who would like something more than the soullessly compartmentalized and instanced endgame in TOR today, be we PvPers, PvEers or shockingly, people that do and enjoy both.

That would be fine except Bioware made an explicit decision to separate PvE and PvP when they introduced the expertise stat. Someone in PvP gear will roflstomp someone trying to just run dailies due to equipment differences barring a truly vast skill difference. This leads to the wonderful scenario that in order to survive against the PvP player they not only need to engage in PvP they need to be better at it just to compensate for the gear difference.

It's true that PvPers have expertise and skill advantage compared to PvE only players, but then again 2 PvErs have their pimped out HK to help them. Many of the PvPers have almost no gear on their companions. We don't use stuff like Heroic moment, we don't get the heavy Presence buff that the PvErs get because they have 5 chars with all companions pimped out.

Just take your PvE friends, make small groups so you all can have your companions out and life will seem much more fair .

Also, As mentioned in this thread so many times before the other World Events have also been close or at PvP areas I don't remember people complaining then.

It's going to be an awesome Event im sure. Stop complaining about something that you haven't even seen yet. It's called just plain trolling.

-Laser-