I don't know what, I am fairly new to MMO games and don't know how others have solved this problem so far.

 

But some solution should get implemented into this game. PUG and pre-made are similar only if viewed from far, far away. It's a group of players, that is the only similarity. The closer you get to them, more differences you notice and this needs to get addressed by EAWare.

Yeah I don't either. I played this game because I was a huge fan of the KOTOR games, like many others were, and at one point Bioware was a truly great dev. I was on these boards long before the release of the game, and back when this was a public board it was probably the best Star Wars themed board on the internet. It was truly great discussing Star Wars with so many other fans, it was a great community.

I do not know if there are any unique problems to this game versus most MMOs. I know WoW is probably the leader in this genre, but I don't know if they separate the queues or not. For all I know this could just be the industry standard.

Yeah, but what he basically says it's that such an exchange is short sighted. I partly agree and partly not. Still you have the change to do that, and i'll probably do it with my tank vanguard since i'm not interested in EWH.

To me it's about quality of life and value. Why get your teeth kicked in for 3+ weeks hording ranked comms so that when you finally have enough ranked comms to buy something you get +2 to your end and main stat. Is that really worth it? I would much rather full WH up by any means necessary, then ENJOY my quest towards EWH.

Gear gap is still a huge issue in PvP.

r-u seriousing meh?

Yeah I don't either. I played this game because I was a huge fan of the KOTOR games, like many others were, and at one point Bioware was a truly great dev. I was on these boards long before the release of the game, and back when this was a public board it was probably the best Star Wars themed board on the internet. It was truly great discussing Star Wars with so many other fans, it was a great community.

 

I do not know if there are any unique problems to this game versus most MMOs. I know WoW is probably the leader in this genre, but I don't know if they separate the queues or not. For all I know this could just be the industry standard.

Wow do seperate the queues. However they have cross-server battlegrounds so there is a bigger pool of players to choose from. They also have a rating attached to gear. Meaning the strongest players have the best gear, and the weaker players will struggle to gain the rating attached to it.

This game does not, everyone has the same chance to aquire the best gear.

This game does not, everyone has the same chance to aquire the best gear.

It will just fall on deaf ears, PLO... There is absolutely NOTHING exclusive to this game except for one's own personal commitment, ability to join a group, and ability to take a loss.

Welfare babies crying for an end to socialism... How ironic....

It will just fall on deaf ears, PLO... There is absolutely NOTHING exclusive to this game except for one's own personal commitment, ability to join a group, and ability to take a loss.

 

 

Welfare babies crying for an end to socialism... How ironic....

I like the welfare comment. Someone who has all day to spend on this game with their other similarly unemployed friends talking about welfare.

Typically unintentionally hilarious comment. We can't talk political on these forums, or there'd be a good analogy for your comment.

And yes, your comment was indeed extremely ironic.

I like the welfare comment. Someone who has all day to spend on this game with their other similarly unemployed friends talking about welfare.

 

Typically unintentionally hilarious comment. We can't talk political on these forums, or there'd be a good analogy for your comment.

 

And yes, your comment was indeed extremely ironic.

I have a full time job and a life outside this game and I did the grind with the only complaint being on a server where it could be 45+ minutes between queues.

I like the welfare comment. Someone who has all day to spend on this game with their other similarly unemployed friends talking about welfare.

 

Typically unintentionally hilarious comment. We can't talk political on these forums, or there'd be a good analogy for your comment.

 

And yes, your comment was indeed extremely ironic.

Try again.... I have a 9-5, I own my on business on the side, wife, kid, house, and a freaking dog... So no, you just want welfare epics, yet no grouping because somehow you feel you are being treated unfairly...

Your just a whiny little bebe.... As someone said you fit the role of meatbag very well.

I like the welfare comment. Someone who has all day to spend on this game with their other similarly unemployed friends talking about welfare.

 

Typically unintentionally hilarious comment. We can't talk political on these forums, or there'd be a good analogy for your comment.

 

And yes, your comment was indeed extremely ironic.

Maybe if you were less judgemental about others, people would group with you? You make a lot of assumptions about people, and you take it awfully personally if they beat you on a computer game.

Maybe if you were less judgemental about others, people would group with you? You make a lot of assumptions about people, and you take it awfully personally if they beat you on a computer game.

I think we got a winnar!!

one's own personal commitment, ability to join a group, and ability to take a loss.

Just for the people speaking of full recruit equipped people and of a gear grind.

With 2750 WZ comms and 4500 RWZ comms, you can buy as soon as you hit 50:

War Hero equip:

875 - Boots

875 - Gloves

975 - Legs

1425 - Chest

1550 - Main hand

1550 - Off hand

And the groups will group up in regular pvp's as long as they don't have an own queue.

RWZ is not an option at the time.

With 2750 WZ comms and 4500 RWZ comms, you can buy as soon as you hit 50:

 

War Hero equip:

875 - Boots

875 - Gloves

975 - Legs

1425 - Chest

1550 - Main hand

1550 - Off hand

 

And the groups will group up in regular pvp's as long as they don't have an own queue.

RWZ is not an option at the time.

I think its not realy wise to waste rwz coms for wh gear. i would recomend to buy WH main hand wep and then change it for EWH, for the rest you can farm a bit and pick a relic or an implant or save it for offhand.

Try again.... I have a 9-5, I own my on business on the side, wife, kid, house, and a freaking dog... So no, you just want welfare epics, yet no grouping because somehow you feel you are being treated unfairly...

 

Your just a whiny little bebe.... As someone said you fit the role of meatbag very well.

I don't need to try again. When someone writes like you it's obvious a lie.

There is no such thing as a "business on the side" that is code for being unemployed.

Saying "a freaking dog" is code for no family or friends.

I am in the solid 6 figure income bracket, I know full well I'm funding most of you people on welfare in this thread.

I think its not realy wise to waste rwz coms for wh gear. i would recomend to buy WH main hand wep and then change it for EWH, for the rest you can farm a bit and pick a relic or an implant or save it for offhand.

just comparing the vindicator set, wh to ewh lets me believe otherwise.

a lot of stats go down, and accurancy goes up, what should i do with that?

the gear gap between Recruit and WH is much bigger than the one between WH and EWH.

I don't need to try again. When someone writes like you it's obvious a lie.

 

There is no such thing as a "business on the side" that is code for being unemployed.

 

Saying "a freaking dog" is code for no family or friends.

 

I am in the solid 6 figure income bracket, I know full well I'm funding most of you people on welfare in this thread.

Every post you make I wonder if you can say something even more ridiculous. Thanks for not dissapointing me.

I don't need to try again. When someone writes like you it's obvious a lie.

 

There is no such thing as a "business on the side" that is code for being unemployed.

 

Saying "a freaking dog" is code for no family or friends.

 

I am in the solid 6 figure income bracket, I know full well I'm funding most of you people on welfare in this thread.

We're happy for ya! For someone making 6 figures, you sure do got some issues....

Thanks for paying for my cell phone and my reefer...

LOL....

Every post you make I wonder if you can say something even more ridiculous. Thanks for not dissapointing me.

Yup... maybe Jedi Master Troller McEpeen.

Why do all these threads degenerate into personal attacks? So many people on these boards complain about match making in lvl 50 WZs, even though most essentially agree the system is somewhat broken.

In PvE, you can queue and select the level of opponent you want to face. You don't get NM EC or HM Esseles by random chance. However that is basically the experience you have a solo pugger or a casual pre made, you might face another pug, or a pug with a group of 4 players in fully aug'd and min/maxed WH gear with the best pieces from the EWH crap (and, there IS a huge difference between that gear and someone half recruit/half war hero) thrown in for good measure. In addition, if you show up in an Ops group with some fool wearing lvl 47 greens, you can initiate a vote to kick the player, but your only option to deal with that fool (or fools in too many cases) in a WZ is to leave yourself. I think there should be an option for more casual players, or at least a solid match making system that doesn't put a pug in a match they really, truly have no chance of winning, even if they do play reasonably well.

People have an expectation to group up with guild mates and play in a coordinated fashion of course, and there is nothing wrong with that. But more casual players should also have the option to be able to avoid having 1 out of 3 or 4 WZs be a face stomping blood bath as well.

Why do all these threads degenerate into personal attacks?

Because it is the automatic fall back position of babies, that think they are unique in some form or fashion.

So many people on these boards complain about match making in lvl 50 WZs, even though most essentially agree the system is somewhat broken.

Nope the system isn't broken... It's a combination of randomness, barriers to entry, and god awful class balance.

Notice how I don't mention matchmaking in that sentance... They have already eliminated a barrier by offering discount gear. Anyone can mitigate randomness by grouping, and BW controls Class Balance...

So the power in 2 out of 3 are soley up to you, the player... That is why these arguments are dumb in the first place... Complain about mechanics and balance, but "issues" like these tend to boil down to you not wanting to take an *** whooping.

I have said it multiple times. As a PuG who wants "competitve" play, you should have NO issue going against a premade because in most cases, they are somewhat guaranteed to be competitive....

And isn't that the point?

I PuG 80% of the time, and have 0 complaints about losing/going to a premade. Either myself or the PuG needs to get better, whether its gear, coordination, strats, etc.. It makes me a better player...

Dear Bioware,

 

I tried SWTOR on Dec 2012 and On PVE Content I have found your game mostly balanced and fun.

 

I started PVPing and The new player is dead within 3 to 5 seconds, this is not fun.

 

Nuff said.....

So the power in 2 out of 3 are soley up to you, the player... That is why these arguments are dumb in the first place... Complain about mechanics and balance, but "issues" like these tend to boil down to you not wanting to take an *** whooping.

 

I have said it multiple times. As a PuG who wants "competitve" play, you should have NO issue going against a premade because in most cases, they are somewhat guaranteed to be competitive....

I hear you, and listen, I like to play competitively, I ground out an f'in commando from recruit to fully aug'd WH as a PUG when recruit wasn't free and WH needed ranked comms. I don't like to camp for medals even if the game is lost. But, I stand by that there are a lot of casual players who are half way decent players and half way decently geared, and even very good players who for whatever reason are solo queing, and I think there should be a system in place for them to avoid getting stomped. Not a system for them to avoid losing, a system for them to avoid being stomped.

Whether that means excluding pre-made's, requiring a certain role minimum (i.e. at least one healer and one tank (or at least 'can tank' spec), or 'fixing class balance', it needs to be there. But, I can tell u what, a check box that says 'avoid groups when solo queuing' is prolly about 4 - 6 hours of coding and testing, and would eliminate half the grief expressed in this forum.

Until people found the next thing to cry about I guess...

But, I stand by that there are a lot of casual players who are half way decent players and half way decently geared, and even very good players who for whatever reason are solo queing, and I think there should be a system in place for them to avoid getting stomped. Not a system for them to avoid losing, a system for them to avoid being stomped. ...

But therein lies the rub. Having any expectation to be successful as a solo player is not the correct mindset to have since you are not controlling the randomness that is PuGGing.. You never know what card you are going to be dealt, you have to live with the fact that someone has a full house and you got a pair of 2s(in recruit).. I build my "PuG success" on how we faired... Taking into account all factors, and win or lose, I try to determine whether we were bad or the other team was good. Most of the time, the former is the case.

You have to be ok with getting streamrolled if you Solo que, and take the losses with a grain of salt. <<This is what is missing with the premade complaints. They can't do this and sometimes can't possibly believe that it might be themselves that have a problem.

Look, I agree with you on some levels. They need to eliminate another barrier, which means they need to implement 4 -man Ranked and limit normals to 4 or less, but "needing something in place to prevent getting stomped" is like telling me what the lottery numbers are going to be tonight... The system is already there. If you want to increase your chances at winning the lottery, you buy more tickets. It's called "Invite to group".

Until people found the next thing to cry about I guess...

Agreed. I thought with 1.6 the gear debate would go away and we could talk about the real issues, but some (not you) are still fascinated by the "exclusivity/elitism" that is SWTOR PvP. Their "Invite to Group" and "Buy WH gear" buttons must be on stunlock by my Operative.

I was definately a believer in the gear being far too much of an advantage previously. It's simply no longer the case. Well, it is....but not really. Recruit gear is utter crap compared to WH. But you spend about a minute in recruit gear now....so.....gear gap is gone. You can be mostly WH gear within minutes of hitting 50 if you planned ahead.

If you didn't plan ahead....well that's another story and pretty much your own fault. Still, you will only be in recruit gear for about 2-3 weeks. That's not bad at all by "old school" standards.