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Caltone's Avatar

07.23.2013 , 09:18 PM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by vpistov View Post
So finally, during the final boss fight, I happen to notice one of my teammates whipping out their little box-shaped scanner and a red line goes sweeping over one of the dead turrets. This fellow thought it would be a huge help to take a couple of 3-second breaks during a very damage-heavy fight to add to his Scavenging collection.

I wouldn't call this an issue to be honest. I will scavenge metals or bio when I can in a HM FP. I will only take one if I am in a PUG, but I've never had anyone tell me to stop not would I ask anyone else not to scavenge.
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07.24.2013 , 02:06 AM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by Caltone View Post
I wouldn't call this an issue to be honest. I will scavenge metals or bio when I can in a HM FP. I will only take one if I am in a PUG, but I've never had anyone tell me to stop not would I ask anyone else not to scavenge.
I think he was staggered not by the fact that this person was scavenging, but that they were scavenging during the boss fight.

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07.24.2013 , 08:44 AM | #573
Quote: Originally Posted by PLynkes View Post
I think he was staggered not by the fact that this person was scavenging, but that they were scavenging during the boss fight.
You're right, I missed that point when reading the post. LOL, yes scavenging during a boss fight is a fail
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07.24.2013 , 12:21 PM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by Caltone View Post
You're right, I missed that point when reading the post. LOL, yes scavenging during a boss fight is a fail
I've done this once or twice in sm mandalorian raiders with my healer lol I was overleveled and overgeared and the tank was overleveled and overgeared and pratically could have survived with just my HoT and smallest no-energy-cost heal (needed maybe 3-5 bigger heals during the whole boss fight). So I was pratically stuck with dpsing and managing my hots, and I couldn't dps that much without burning too much energy, so I ended up scavenging turrets.
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07.24.2013 , 02:18 PM | #575
Quote: Originally Posted by PLynkes View Post
I think he was staggered not by the fact that this person was scavenging, but that they were scavenging during the boss fight.
Did this the other day on my sorc healer on the last boss of 55 MR. But I was healing and everyone was topped off (or close with puddle down), no one died, and I wasn't holding the group up any. I actually do a LOT of gathering when I heal FPs on my sorc, with scab and bio analysis, but if group gets ahead of me I just leave stuff behind. Hot+bubble tank, and sprint to catch up makes this relatively easy.

Then last night in a hammer station(tank and both DPS in guild), we had a merc healer who insisted on scavenging everything. We told him that's fine as long as it doesn't hold up the group, which it was because he was doing 0 healing. When he didn't cleanse the tank at all during first boss (resulting in tank dying twice), we kicked him and did the rest of the place with mako until a healer popped in right before the last boss.
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07.24.2013 , 04:50 PM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by Galsarus View Post
I read these posts, thinking I will probably never face these situations, as I rarely use GF for HMFPs, but last night I decided to give it a shot as it was a quiet night in the guild. My sister, who normally is a healer decided to DPS for a change (69/72 optimised) and a shadow in 66/69 gear. we opted for a PUG healer (myself tanking on my vanguard). We queued up and got an instant pop for athiss with a sage healer.

We roll in, say our usual "Hi, Heya. Hello" and I take a quick peek at the healer's gear (health seemed a little low compared to my sister's sage). Us three were on TS and commenting the healer's HP is a little low (27k HP), but hey, I've seen healers with lower health than him do a smashing job at healing. Then I notice the healer is in what looked like mostly old WH gear with sprinkles of partisan thrown in. I was slightly concerned, but not knowing much about sage healing, I tell my sister to check him out. "He'll struggle being in old WH gear, but we should be fine as long as we can burn through things pretty quick".

While this is happening, healer pops in group chat - "Hey guys, I'm in a s***y mood. My crackhead flat mate gave me s**t. so I want a quick run.". My interpretation of the statement - "I'm in a bad mood, so I'm going to demand you bow to my whims for my own enjoyment." I'm instantly annoyed (rubbed me the wrong way, that statement) and get ready to pull the plug and leave, but my sister convinces me to stay. we proceed on and straight away I see we're heading for a disaster. the healer decides its takes too long for me to slice the elevator so jumps STRAIGHT Down, nearly dying. At the bottom, he stops just long enough to heal himself back to half HP and runs for the explosive satchel, while we're coming down. He stops at the entrance of the room just long enough for us to catch up and charges head long into the mob. First attack - Force Wave, scattering everything all over the room. I jump in, collect them up and the 2 dps proceeds to burn them down, none of us receiving any heals. thankfully we were geared enough to withstand it.

Once we have the explosive satchel, I ask the healer, could you please wait for me to grab aggro and unless necessary, don use force wave, it scatters everything and makes it a little difficult for me to keep them bunched up so we can burn them faster. Healer acknowledges and runs off again popping force speed. I sigh and follow up (Hold The Line FTW).

Next Room, I call for a CC (I know we can face roll the mob, but I ask for CCs to minimise incoming damage and found it takes less time to burn trash if the strongs are CCed). Healer decided that's unnecessary and charges head long yet again, using force wave to scatter everything. With 2 silver crabs bearing down on him. I jump in, pop AoE taunt, round them up. 1 silver goes down, my hp down a fair bit before healer decides I'm worth his time to heal up and tops me up.....before dropping another force wave and scattering everything yet again. My sister on TS yells "WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? DON'T SCATTER THEM FROM THE TANK!!". We burn them down and move on to the next room. yet again he repeats the force wave...Exasperated, we make our way to Beast of Vodal (not CC-ing shamans, aggroing trash and leaving the rest of us to clean them up while he goes off to aggro another bunch and running back to us for me to pick up aggro.

By now I'm fuming, but keep my mouth shut, my sister is asking him to not run ahead of me and to keep me topped up and she's stuck off-healing me and DPSing at the same time. We start on the beast and I kite him to the little cave on the side (he did say, this needs to be quick and taking the beast to the pond takes too long). It becomes a horrendous exercise. the entire fight, I never recovered my full HP, his heals were barely keeping me alive while standing WITH ME IN FRONT OF THE BEAST. ironically, he's maintaining full heals on the 2 DPS (they never dropped below 90% HP while I was barely alive, DPS sage throwing off heals on me in between fights). We down beastie, but by now, I'm cursing like a drunken sailor on shore leave on TS and tell my sister and the shadow - if this guy keeps pulling this, I'm gone, I wont wear a repair cost borne out of stupidity. We move on and come to the rooms of guardians. I put on group chat, please wait on my pull, these things hurt a lot and your heals are barely keeping up with the damage I'm taking (no response). we go in to the first room of birds (queue force wave scatters, furious button mashing all over) and move to the second one. earlier I asked if we're doing bonus for the loot, to which his reply was "Don't care" so I proceed to rack up kills. while we were clearing trash, he runs off to the first room of guardians and aggros both. I hussle forward, pick them up and promptly lose them (force wave....). More button mashing and pick them up, but now I have both guardians smashing me all over the place. I thought this can't get worse....oh but it did. Healer rushes off and picks up the third guardian (inquisitor ones) and brings him over. So now, I'm getting 3 guardians tossing me around, 1 dps short because DPS sage is supplementing healer's output while DPSing elites and I'm back to being barely alive. We lose the shadow, with none of the guardians down (he's finally in full healing mode - on himself!) seconds later lose my sister and I /stuck it out, I had enough. He goes on my ignore list and I drop out. My sister tells me over TS how he was saying on group chat about having a ball watching me getting tossed around like a pin ball and all he wanted to have fun, ending the fiasco with "Take Care and F U". The Shadow tells the guy - good luck with the GF, you've just gone on the ignore list of a tank who usually tries hard NOT to put people on ignore list. After re-queue, we got Mando Raiders with a PUG slinger who played the class like an absolute pro.
You sir have more patience than me....I would have let him keep aggro after the 2nd time and then once he died (and we all wiped) I would have left. You should have put him on blast on General Chat after that run though. That's a do*che to get enjoyment out of causing a group to wipe. Don't care if he was in a pissy mood
Jedi Covenant (The Baltimore Legacy)
Laaron - 55 (Shadow Tank) Eulora - 55 (Sage Healer)
Madmartygan - 55 (Guardian DPS) Skylaadawn - 55 (Sab Smug)
Akon - 55 (Carnage Marauder) L'aron - 53 (Sorc Healer)

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07.24.2013 , 05:02 PM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
Line of Sight.
LoS pull means a tank engage enemy with range attack and hides behind Line of Sight (los) forcing them to come in his desired place, usualy by the corner they are grouped which makes it easy to maintain aoe threat, and are easier to get AOE beaten without losing threat by tank.

I rarely use it on my tank if I pve (unless a friendly healer asks, or pug healer asks politely) maybe with one exception in Cademinu, not a hard pull but spread and very very annoying, but I don't mind tank doing it, it's his choice (but I preffer them not to, and never asked any tank to do so).
This reminded me of a horrible run I had with my Shadow when I first started Tanking on Shadowlands. I was in horrible gear (PvP Tank/DPS gear and maybe some Columi gear). I had found out the meaning of LoS on a previous run in Maelstrom Prison. The tank at the time said he would LoS the final boss to another room where the adds would not reach us (before they fixed it). So when I do the same run as a Tank a few days later I figured I'd do the same thing...

However the DPS decided to follow me and engaged the boss right there despite me telling him to keep running. So now I'm trying to get aggro and AOE taunt and get the bosses attention and the turrets for the moment until the droids come out...I'm still trying to "LoS" to the other room but the DPS is not having it and keeps grabbing aggro from me. I notice I'm almost full health and both DPS are low and the healer is telling me I did not taunt at the right time in chat lol. I get booted and scarred from the experience and only PvP for the next few months while leveling a Guardian. I'm glad LoS now is more common knowledge though and when I say it people stay put for the most part. (I still have DPS who think I need to be followed instead of staying put. )
Jedi Covenant (The Baltimore Legacy)
Laaron - 55 (Shadow Tank) Eulora - 55 (Sage Healer)
Madmartygan - 55 (Guardian DPS) Skylaadawn - 55 (Sab Smug)
Akon - 55 (Carnage Marauder) L'aron - 53 (Sorc Healer)

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07.25.2013 , 04:44 AM | #578
Awesome thread and i got some stories as well.

Hammer Station SM on my new gunslinger.
Tank and Healer knew their stuff, but the other dps ( a commando ) a few levels higer than the rest of us had the most awesome rotation I ever saw.
It started with spamming Explosive Round till he was out of energy, then using Recharge cells (if not on cooldown) blowing it all out again with Explosive Round, or using Hammer Shot if he was too low on energy.
Somewhere at the end i think i saw him using Full Auto once or twice.
I never saw someone sticking so much to his (not ideal) rotation

A H2 on Voss on my PT Tank, found a Marauder to complete it, and wondered why he only had half my health. After checking his gear out, i saw that he was wearing the full Eradicator Set , unfortunately without any armoring, mod or enhancement he had some in his lightsabers which must have been rewards or drops, but not a single mod in his armour.
After pointing this out to him and explainng custom gear to him, he was very gratefull. But i can't stop to wonder how he got to Voss with that gear, it must have been really difficult. But i guess he prefered style over stats

And finally a Cademimu HM run on my Powertech. I was pretty new to 55, so not ideally geared, mostly 61s and 63s but i know the fp from my other characters quite well.
All went well, untill the last boss. One of the dps dies pretty soon from a rocket blast ( it can happen so no worries) , the healer uses Combat rezz, and we continue, get the Boss down to 50%, and both dps get shackled and kicked into a flame, no chance to get to them.
So only the healer and me left, and 4:30 cd on combat rezz. So for the next minutes we are trying to dps the boss down, free us of shackles and run out of the rockets. we get himd own to 20% until the rezz is ready again, get a dps up, and finally kill the boss.
Not a bad group or anything, but quite funny seeing us getting the boss HP down really really slowly.

As for those funny dps, who like to jump in before the tank, i ask them kindly to let me pull ( twice), the third time I sit back and relax and enjoy the show as they get eaten alive
It's easy, if u want to tank, roll a tank ( you even get instant GF pops on my server as a tank, so go for it )

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07.25.2013 , 07:24 AM | #579
Just happened to me (lvl 50 Operative healer).
I like to think of myself as a pretty good healer. Thus far, I have been able to keep everyone alive in the most stressful of situations during H4- missions and Flashpoints.
But every once in a while there is a group or just one member of a group screwing everything up and making it impossible to compensate for the damage they take.
This time, I was playing with a lvl 55 Assassin tank, a lvl 53 Sniper and a lvl 52 Marauder. I didn't find the time to look at the tank's gear, but it couldn't have been too great, since he was squishy like hell. I know that Assassin tanks can be really tough, but this one just got down to 50% of his max health in the first 3-4 seconds of every fight.
Additionally, he didn't manage to keep the aggro of the mobs, which started attacking me instead after a few moments, since the two DPS didn't do much at all, leaving me as the member generating the most threat, just by healing everyone.
As I told the tank (politely), that I was having troubles staying alive and healing him at once he told me he was going to take care of the issue.
Well, he didn't. Shortly after, he attacked the next group of enemies while I was still looting chests, which led to him dying in mere seconds causing him to get aggressive and telling me to heal him- note: I was about 150m away from him when he started the attack. I told him to wait for me next time and we kept going.
By the time we arrived at the Boss accompanied by the two droids (FP:Boarding Party), he immediately ran into the mob with me still healing myself. Again he died shortly after due to the fact that only the Boss was attacking him- leaving the two elite Droids untouched which then started firing at me. So while I was busy trying to get the aggro off me and healing the dps to survive the time until the tank gets back he just starts ranting at me in the chat again. That was the moment when I decided to drop out of the group and put the tank onto my ignore list.

Another "fun" FP was Hammer Station SM with my DPS Vanguard.
Our Tank was a Vanguard, the second DD a Commando and the healer was a Sage.
The thing was, that the healer didn't seem to be willing to heal always running into the action first starting off with the aoe blast, hurling every enemy nearby away and in return gaining their aggro. After that, he just spammed his standard melee attack until he was close to death. By that time, the tank had finally managed to gain aggro of every enemy nearby, leaving the healer enough time to heal himself to 100% again, just to start his "rotation" all over again.
We all told him to stop it and heal us instead, leaving the tanking to the tank (duh).
The response was "Why? It seems to work this way why would I change anything?"
This kept repeating itself again and again, until everyone started to tell him to just heal us. In the end, we barely made it through the FP, astonishingly enough- we didn't wipe once.
Still, I put the healer onto my ignore- list afterwards.

Please excuse any errors- I'm not a native speaker.

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07.25.2013 , 07:25 AM | #580
I'll have to add one/some of my guildies to the list, so not sure if this post fits under the thread title at all :P

I was running Athiss hm (again, seems I only get Cad or Athiss at all on 3 toons lately) and after the tiny dog boss you have the temple guardians and temple disciples and the latter have an increased stealth detection buff.
And my fellow shadow dps tried 4 or 5 times to sap them and lucky as I was I had pulled another mob already.
As it was a full guild run I wanted to see how long it would take him to realize that he cannot (at least he cannot) CC them, and been chatting and laughing in /w with my 'personal' healer about it.

Once we finished with the champions and before the Prophet I asked him to target one of the remaining mobs and try to read their buffs ... we'll see next time if the /hint worked out.

And another Athiss fun guild run ... everything went smooth until Prophet ...
(ok, nearly smooth as one dps always went for the CC'd & marked targets 1st and somehow didn't get the explanation/meaning of CC and marked and ... etc, however no dead ppl until last boss)

... ok Prophet time
Healer (we slightly forced him to come heal ... to get gear and experience) just didn't manage to get the cleanse on his quickbars, to click/press it etc ... and it took some attempts to get it working
Then he commited suicide on fireballs while trying to stand near me to heal me (was on my shadow so I really didn't need too much healing) ...
Then while running back (again) a dps brought the remaining Temple champions with him ... and saberslingered the boss straight away (too close to his heal on quickbars) ...

In the end it was really a fun run ... somehow we always had at least one person (dps or healer) running back during the whole last fight until the boss died.

However, I have to admit, if I would have ended up in a pug as tank and these things would happen ... I might would have simply left the group ...

And one more Cad fun thingy ... (this time a real pug group)

On the wookie boss I somehow struggled to get aggro on all adds (DPS just love to AoE them) ...
... so I typed in chat that they should stick close to the boss(giving me a chance to get aggro) - and nope, a slinger and commando HAS TO BE at maximum range to be played right.
As they refused to get closer(it seems they preferred to run circles like headless chickens with the adds on their trail) I asked them politely to get the adds to the boss at least during his unstable fuel(???) channel/explosion ... and guess what ... they all ran off (I think one nearly reached the elevator) to different directions and I ended up with the healer and a lot ... A LOT of adds to kill.