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(Warning: This thread has spoilers)

 

Story Suggestion: Arcann, Nathema & Vaylin

 

( Got the idea for this from reading these threads: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 )

 

1. Story

2. Nathema

3. The Exarch / Eternal Empire Remnant

4: Iokath Faction Choice

5: Cartel Market

 

I'm running with the idea that Vaylin's (And DS Arcann) spirit/essence are buried within the Outlanders mind, brought in during Valkorian's attempt to take control during Chapter 9 of KOTET and forgotten about.

 

 

LS: Saved Senya and Arcann during KOTET

DS: Killed Senya and Arcann during KOTET

 

Characters: Arcann, Lana, Senya, Vaylin

Location: Odessen, Nathema

Enemy: Exarch, Eternal Empire Remnant

 

(1) Plot:

 

Chapter Version

 

 

Odessen:

 

Starts off with the Alliance base on Odessen, the Alliance Commander is still having nightmares of Vaylin inflicting pain onto him/her.

 

(like the one at the start of

- though that one I think was being influenced by Valkorian.)

 

Sensing their pain the Commander is awoken to find Lana/Arcann outside their room, claiming to have sensed their discomfort and to inform the Commander of a possible ally wanting to join the Eternal Alliance.

 

Entering the command center, Arcann/Lana informs the Commander about the Exarch, leading a sizeable portion of the remaining Eternal Empire loyalists, those who initially refused to accept the change in power, now they claim they want to join the Alliance;

 

LS: because their former Emperor is.

DS: because they believe in the new commander is worthy of leading Zakuul.

 

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The Exarch arrives on Odessen, with one of the remaining Scions, (Captured by this Exarch's Horizon Guard when Vaylin was hunting them - War for Iokath) the two journey to the commander's location, and engage in a brief conversation with the Commander and Arcann or Lana. The Exarch questions the Commander briefly about the

and
. (Which he could have learned from the Scion's vague glimpses into the future.

 

KOTFE - Chapter 8

KOTFE -

)

 

The Scion then confirms the presence of the essence/spirit of Vaylin (and Arcann) trapped deep within the Commanders mind.

 

(Like when they sense Valkorian inside the Outlander - KOTFE

)

 

With this confirmation, the Exarch kills the Scion as the Horizon Guard & Knights of Zakuul arrive on the scene. The Exarch's forces then ransack the Alliance base, retrieving the body of Vaylin and Valkorian's Holocron.

 

Puzzled over the sudden departure of the Exarch and his surviving forces, the commander is informed about Vaylin and the Holocron, while Arcann or Lana reveal the Exarch's ship is heading for Nathema.

 

LS: Senya enters the Command Center demanding to know why her daughter's corpse has been taken, learning what the Scion revealed before he was cut down - only backing down when confronted by Arcann.

 

The crew discusses what just transpired before promptly being contacted by the Exarch who demands the Commander travels to Nathema, baiting the commander with the thought of Vaylin (or Arcann) returning to kill more of the Commanders friends.

 

LS: Arcann and Senya agree to travel with the Commander.

DS: Lana accompanies the commander to Nathema.

 

Nathema Approach:

 

(Q: Can the Star Fortresses move? They got in orbit of Voss etc somehow.)

 

As the Alliance Fleet arrives at Nathema, they're greeted by the Exarch's Star Fortress / Starship in orbit, a brief battle ensues resulting in the Commander (LS: Arcann and Senya) (DS: Lana) using an escape pod to reach the surface of the planet.

 

Nathema:

 

Upon emerging from the escape pod, Arcann & Senya or Lana could let out a comment about not having missed this planet.

 

(All three have been here before at some point

 

Arcann:

Senya: KOTET Trailer -

Lana: During KOTET -

)

 

Battling against the surviving beasts and the Exarch's forces through the ruins of Medriaas and the remains of the Sanitarium the Commander eventually encounters the Exarch in the remains of Valkorian's Vault with...

 

- (LS) -

The body of Vaylin. Entering the room, the Exarch uses the holocron on the Outlander, then the body of Vaylin, however, nothing happens. Confused, cursing the Scion for leading him on this path, the Exarch attacks the Outlander.

 

As the commander, Arcann and Senya defeat the Exarch, Vaylin's spirit emerges. (similar to Lord Dramath) and starts to freak out as Vaylin realizes she's trapped back on Nathema.

 

Realising her daughter is still suffering - even after death, Senya pleads with the commander to allow her to take Vaylin's place, the commander must then decide ...

 

A: Allow Senya to sacrifice herself to save Vaylin.

B: Destroy the Holocron (DS)

C: Refusing to allow Senya to die. The Outlander, Arcann and Senya meditate together to sacrifice a part of their 'life force' in order to save Vaylin.

 

(If A) Arcann protests, only for Senya to say a final goodbye to her son, asking him to look after his sister.

 

(If B) Vaylin's spirit continues to plead for mercy, only for the commander to destroy holocron, leaving Vaylin to suffer the eternal torment on Nathema.

 

(If C) Everyone lives - Vaylin's essence is returned to her body.

 

The group then leave the Sanitarium, heading back to the surface to witness the Alliance destroy the Exarch's ship/fortress

 

(Vaylin) If Vaylin is with Arcann ( C - and Senya), the two (three) have a moment before joining the commander.

 

(Senya) If Senya is still with the party - she could be angered by the commander's decision to destroy the holocron, pushing the commander a way to have a brief moment with her son.

 

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- (DS) -

 

The bodies of Arcann and Vaylin. Entering the room, the Exarch uses the holocron on the Outlander, then on bodies of Arcann and Vaylin, however, nothing happens. Confused, cursing the Scion for leading him on this path, the Exarch attacks the Outlander.

 

As the commander and Lana defeat the Exarch, Arcann and Vaylin's spirit emerge. (similar to Lord Dramath) and start to freak out as they realize they're trapped on Nathema, arguing with each other and begging the Outlander to remove them from this place.

 

The Exarch, still alive, listening to his former Emporer and Empress argue, curses himself for believing they were worth saving. With the holocron in the commander's hand, the commander could have the choice to...

 

A) Drain the Exarch's life, saving Arcann

B) Drain the Exarch's life, saving Vaylin

C) Destroy the holocron, leaving both Arcann and Vaylin on Nathema

 

(If A or B) Arcann or Vaylin will return, being cursed at by the other who is now trapped on Nathema.

 

(If C) Both curse at the commander, and each other as the Exarch dies.

 

(Arcann/Vaylin) If either is picked, they'll join the commander and Lana on the surface as the Alliance defeats the Exarch's forces in orbit. Lana will pull the commander aside to warn them, people back on Odessen won't be happy with the decision made.

 

(No one) If you leave without Arcann or Vaylin, Lana might claim you made the right choice in her opinion, and how the Eternal Alliance has defeated another foe.

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Flashpoint Version

 

Third Battle of Odessen

 

1: 'Third Battle of Odessen'

 

<Story Mode Starts>

 

Starts off with the Alliance base on Odessen, the Alliance Commander is still having nightmares of Vaylin inflicting pain onto him/her.

 

(like the one at the start of

- though that one I think was being influenced by Valkorian.)

 

Sensing their pain the Commander is awoken to find Lana/Arcann outside their room, claiming to have sensed their discomfort and to inform the Commander of a possible ally wanting to join the Eternal Alliance.

 

Entering the command center, Arcann/Lana informs the Commander about the Exarch, leading a sizeable portion of the remaining Eternal Empire loyalists, those who initially refused to accept the change in power, now they claim they want to join the Alliance;

 

-Flashpoint Starts-

 

Flashpoint starts with the team meeting the Exarch and Scion, the Scion confirms the presence of what the Exarch has been looking for, then the Exarch kills him as Eternal Empire Remnant forces raid the Odessen base, disabling the Gravestone, leaving the rest of the Alliance fleet (Hammerheads, Destroyers) to deal with the Exarchs ship.

 

During the battle, the Alliance team battle through Eternal Empire forces loyal to the Exarch. (Skytroopers, Knights, Horizon Guard, Walkers etc.)

 

Tora, (who is with you LS or DS) is on the Gravestone, calls for your help believing the Exarch's forces are trying to steal the ship. You fight your way to the Gravestone, rescue Tora and battle with the last boss (another Exarch?)

 

After you defeat the 'last boss' you get a message from Lana claiming the Exarch's forces are retreating with the body of Vaylin.

 

-Flashpoint Ends-

 

This part could then end with the Commander talking to Arcann and or Lana, confirming the Exarch did take Vaylins body along with Valkorians Holocron Lana's been studying.

 

LS: Senya enters the Command Center demanding to know why her daughter's corpse has been taken, learning what the Scion revealed before he was cut down - only backing down when confronted by Arcann.

<Story Mode Ends>

 

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Attack on Nathema

 

2: Attack on Nathema

 

<Story Mode Starts>

 

Following up from the previous part - Arcann and or Lana inform you they've been able to track the Exarch's shuttle to Nathema. Fearing the Exarch has somehow managed discover other secrets from Valkorians vault, specifically to find a way to resurrect the dead the Alliance sends a team to stop the Exarch and...

 

LS: Recover Vaylin's body and the Holocron

DS: Destroy both.

 

-Flashpoint Starts-

 

As the Alliance Fleet arrives at Nathema, they're greeted by the Exarch's Star Fortress in orbit, a brief space battle ensues resulting in the Alliance sending a team to the surface via drop pods/escape pods.

 

Arriving on the surface the team makes its way across Nathema's surface battling the surviving beasts and the Remnant forces.

 

(Maybe have a part where all four players get into walkers? :D assuming that is even possible.)

 

Arriving at the remains of the Sanitarium, the team then battles the Remnant forces and any surviving Zealots from the prior visit to Nathema. (

)

 

Entering the remains of Valkorians Vault, the team find the Exarch, however, get 'zapped' by the Holocron before they can react. Overconfident the Exarch leaves the holocron, engaging the team, only to be defeated.

 

Final Boss: After the Exarch's defeat, Vaylin's spirit manifests itself nearby, immediately recognizing the Commander, she attacks. (Similar to how Valkorian attacked us in

)

 

Between 'wounding' Vaylin's spirit and the natural effects from Nathema, the team is forced to retreat as debris from the space battle begins pelting the area.

 

Picking up the Holocron, the Commander turns back to witness Vaylin panicking, however, is unable to do anything, fleeing to the surface to witness the Star Fortress explode.

 

-Flashpoint Ends-

 

Returning to Odessen, you speak to Arcann, Senya, and or Lana about recent events and the possibilities of Valkorians Holocron being able to resurrect the dead.

 

Lana who has been studying the Holocron claims it's 'powering up' but advises against using it.

LS: Senya and Arcann object, claiming if this is what it would take to save Vaylin, then they should use it.

DS: Leaving the Commander to either agree or disagree with her advice.

 

<Story Mode Ends>

 

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Conclusion

 

<GRIND!!!!!!>

 

Assuming this is a token unlock thing - grind the previous flashpoints 50 bajillion times and collect another token which will unlock an additional cutscene.

 

Ending

 

After collecting the tokens, Lana summons you (and Senya and Arcann) claiming the Holocron is on the verge of exploding, she advises getting rid of it before it becomes a threat.

 

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LS: Senya and Arcann protest, claiming if this device can 'heal' Vaylin they should use it.

 

Against Lana's wishes, the group travel to Nathema and find Vaylin's spirit, looming over her corpse losing her 'mind' from the effects of Nathema.

 

Senya, Arcann and the Commander then confer over their options.

 

LS: Use the Holocron (Vaylin returns in a weakened state from the effects of Nathema and being dead.)

DS: Don't use the Holocron (Bye Vaylin!)

 

LS Ending: Vaylin returns with you to Odessen, which immediately triggers Lana (please, give me an option to tell her to shut up), however, Senya and Arcann thank you-you then have a moment with Vaylin in which you discuss what Vaylin's role will be within the Alliance/Republic/Sith Empire.

 

DS Ending: Senya pleads with you to use the Holocron, however before you can it explodes making any form of 'redemption' for Vaylin impossible.

 

Returning to Odessen you're greeted by Lana. Senya, now furious at you for not saving her daughter when you had the chance, attacks you again both verbally and physically, resulting in her leaving the Alliance.

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DS: Lana suggests dumping it on a planet before it can do any harm to Odessen.

 

Curious by the events on Nathema, Lana promptly reminds the Commander taking it to Nathema would be a bad idea for the Alliance - so we do it anyway.

 

Arriving at Nathema alone, the Commander encounters the spirits of Arcann and Vaylin, fighting with each other while being continuously tortured by the effects of Nathema.

 

The Commander realizing he/she has the ability to save one of them then has the choice...

 

DS: Save Vaylin

DS2: Save Arcann

DS3: Leave them both to their eternal torment.

 

Arcann/Vaylin: Saving one of the two, the other curses at the Commander for not saving them, as you and the now weakened Arcann/Vaylin depart Nathema.

 

Returning to Odessen, the presence of Arcann or Vaylin provokes Lana into questioning your sanity, in which you could either

 

LS: talk her down

DS: Remind her who is in charge (Maybe this option will end your romance with Lana? - If romanced)

 

It ends with the Commander talking to Arcann or Vaylin about their role in this new Empire.

 

Neither: You drop the holocron, leaving it to explode as both Arcann and Vaylin scream at you.

 

Returning to Odessen, you inform Lana of what you've done. Which Lana would likely say is for the best.

 

 

(2) Nathema (Daily Area, Datacron, PvP, Uprising)

 

 

Thread Link

 

I saw this thread created by one of the German members, I agree with him, maybe have a PVP map themed on this planet, or some dailies perhaps and maybe a heroic or flashpoint taking us into what remains of Valkorians vaults?

 

Daily Area: Gault sends the Outlander a mail (Arrives after KOTET Chapter 7)about going back to make profit from the treasures that could be found in Valkorians Vault. Maybe the Republic/Empire (whatever your 'enemy' faction is) have learnt about the artefacts too and have arrived to see what we're doing? in the process, both sides have gone insane from the effects of the void?

 

Datacron: I found the hunt for these to be fun - no harm in adding some more. :D

 

PVP: Perhaps a new map set in the ruins outside the prison? Walker PVP perhaps? :rolleyes:

 

Uprising: Gault knows about Valkorians Vault - maybe he's been talking to the wrong people and a group try to raid the vault in hopes of finding some powerful artefacts.

 

 

3. The Exarch / Eternal Empire Remnant

 

 

'The Exarch'

 

Exarch's motive: Revenge

 

This Exarch, fought in the war, when the Eternal Empire invaded both the Republic and Sith Empire.

 

(From

- [Around the 10 minute mark KOTFE - Chapter 4], this war lasted one year. With both the Republic and Sith fleets being 'disabled or eliminated' by the third month of the war - best guess, they then picked off the factions planets one at a time and by the end of the year had managed to blockade both Coruscant and Drummond Kass, forcing them both to surrender and pay heavy tribute.

 

QUESTION: The tribute the Eternal Empire was collecting, was that for the Star Fortresses?)

 

After the war ended, this Knight was selected by Arcann to join the 'Exarch Project', survived the 'enhancements', then was given command of one of the Star Fortresses over one of the conquered worlds. (Perhaps

?)

 

By the time the Outlander is actively opposing the Eternal Empire (KOTFE), this Exarch is learning everything he/she can on his/her opponent from various sources ... (Records from the Sith Empire or Republic, survivors of various fights etc.) ... However, his/her quest for knowledge is cut short when the Exarch learns Arcann 'fell' during the

.

 

Six months later (time between Kotfe and Kotet), the Exarch would spend much time punishing those on the planet he/she had been ordered to observe. To further his/her frustration, Scorpio (disguised as Vaylin) ordered the remaining Star Fortress Exarchs to maintain their positions over their worlds (so not to interfere with Scorpio's motive), forcing them to miss the Invasion of Voss, Gravestone/Iokath Incident (KOTET Chapter -

,
,
.)

 

The Exarch regains communication with the EE during the events of (KOTET - Chapter 6), during which the Exarch discovers Vaylin has lead multiple

(six patrols, four outposts, and a Sith supply convey) then learns Valkorian is still around.

 

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Learning about Valkorian:

 

(KOTFE Chapter 6) The Scions / Gravestone Crew learn Valkorian is still about. Should the Exarch get to interrogate one, he/she could discover that way.

 

(KOTFE Chapters 8, 10, 12, 15 & 16) Arcann lets out several comments about Valkorian influencing the Outlander within earshot of Knights/Skytroopers.

 

(KOTET Chapter 6) During this chapter, Arcann, the Outlander and Vaylin (Both

and DS versions) make several comments each about Valkorian still being around & influencing the Outlander, all while those cameras are floating around broadcasting to the rest of the galaxy! While at the same time witnesses a duel between Arcann and Vaylin, then Arcann defecting to the Alliance (LS) or his Death (DS).

 

(KOTET Chapters 1,3,8.) Vaylin lets out several comments within earshot of Knights, Skytroopers, Horizon Guards about Valkorian being inside the Outlander. (If some of these guys survived I could see the Exarch interviewing them and learning of this - Though I think the Chapter 6 reasoning would suffice.)

 

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Learning of Nathema: (

) While we see only one ship approach Nathema, Vaylin's line during the scene she kills the Red Knights ( Jeezz ... Redshirts aren't safe here either?! ) implies there are more ships in orbit. (The Exarch could have learned of Nathema's location from one of these ships or that surviving
.)

 

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Learning about the Holocron: (this one is tricky) I suppose the Exarch could 'sense' the Holocron would be important (maybe sensing Valkorians influence on it? or mistaking Vaylin - and or Arcann's recent taint on it).

 

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Then Vaylin is killed during the

, which turns the Eternal Fleet into 'extermination mode' attacking everything. The Exarch, likely having the same problem as everyone else would be preoccupied battling the machines, not learning of Vaylins demise until later when the Outlander broadcasts to the rest of the galaxy as the new leader of 'Eternal Alliance.'

 

In complete shock as to what just occurred over a short time, the Exarch could then go on making contact with remaining Eternal Empire forces who share the same opinion as him/her, while continuing his/her own investigations into the state of Valkorian presence inside the Outlander. (Unknown to him/her Valkorian is now gone.)

 

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Why recover Vaylin? When Vaylin dies, Arcann / Lana claims the EE forces have lost the will to fight without Vaylin's rage to drive them. Perhaps the Exarch is under the same belief? Without Vaylin the remaining forces have become sloppy, Vaylin's rage is what the Remnant forces need if they want any chance of fighting the Eternal Alliance.

 

Maybe the Exarch has been researching Jedi or Sith healing techniques? believing he/she has found a way to resurrect his/her fallen leader?

 

Or perhaps the Exarch's been lead to believe that Valkorians bloodline can only play host to his essence, and requires either Arcann, Thexan or Vaylin?

 

Or it could just be out of loyalty to the former Emperor/Empress of Zakuul.

 

 

 

'Eternal Empire Remnant'

 

Nothing too complex here - they're just the remaining forces of the Eternal Empire who refuse to acknowledge the Outlander as the new Emperor/Empress of Zakuul.

 

Similar to the forces encountered in

.'

 

(Skytroopers, Knights, Horizon Guard, Walkers etc.)

 

 

 

(4) Faction Choice

 

 

Seeing as this plot doesn't really have anything to do with the new war between the Alliance, Republic or Empire, I don't think the alignment choice would need to be shown.

 

Though I suppose it wouldn't harm anyone to show either Quinn (IMP) or Dorna (PUB) on Odessen.

 

 

(5) Cartel Market / Stronghold ideas:

 

* Zakuul Palace Stronghold

* Zakuul Dreadnought Stronghold / Guildship

* Zakuulian Head lump things for our characters

* Zakuul Fighter for GSF

* Customization slots for Vaylin

* Vaylin's hairstyle

* Empress Vaylin in Bacta Tank (Decoration)

* Horizon Guard 'personnel' decoration

* Nathema Zealot 'personnel' decoration

* Arcann's 'helmet'

 

 

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And that's pretty much it, I hope you all enjoy the suggestion for a return to Nathema, a mission for Arcann to have a prime role and a Vaylin companion... or at the minimum I hope you enjoyed the read. :cool:

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Impressive, really!

 

If we talk about setting up Arcann, or Vaylin, clearing a slot configuration Arcann would look like without the prosthesis and with an intact face, and Vaylin without slot customization could be dressed in a Wicked Huntress Armor Set.:rak_03:

 

Anyway, Nathema though is at the time of the events KOTET lifeless, it would be possible to diversify, maybe even add the creature - the result of laboratory experiments or something like that as a World Boss? How about search datacron's?:rak_02:

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Anyway, Nathema though is at the time of the events KOTET lifeless, it would be possible to diversify, maybe even add the creature - the result of laboratory experiments or something like that as a World Boss? How about search datacron's?:rak_02:

 

Datacron hunts are always fun.

 

As for the critters. There were plenty of those beasts locked away, it's possible some of them managed to get out.

 

You've also got Valkorians Vault, the alien that escorts you to it claims it held secrets Valkorian himself claimed were 'too powerful and dangerous.' I'll admit I'm curious to know what else was down there.

 

Edit: Valkorian himself claims some of the artefacts down there could mean our own peril. I can defiantly see one of these exarch guys trying to recover some of these devices.

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Just took a character through Chapter 7 of KOTET again, I was hoping to get the mail from X about going back to Nathema, but didn't. (I think it's from Hylo Visz) - If anyone gets the mail, could you screenshot it so I could reference it in the OP.

 

As for a Nathema daily area - there's quite a bit in the mission that could be used for daily missions.

 

Exploring the remains of Nathema / Medriaas.

Fighting Jarak's surviving beast.

Defeat any remaining Eternal Empire forces.

Defeat any Sanitarium survivors.

Recover records on the Jedi & Sith tortured on Nathema.

Rescue Vaylin's wooden toys.

Raid Valkorians Vault for other ancient artifacts.

Taking scans of the deadly green stuff.

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Could be as an activator of the quest to use the bed in the room of the Commander on Odessen and then starting of cut-scene with the nightmares.. But in order for this mission became available , it would be necessary to complete KOTET, (because on Iokath and Umbara, Arcann not involved):rak_03:

What about Senya? If she was still alive at the end, then maybe it also would help if Vaylin return to the body? It was not clear that the daughter was angry at mother during the scene with Valkorion, in the mind of the Outlander, although most likely between them could also be an emotional scene. Paul, what do you think about this?:rak_02:

 

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Could be as an activator of the quest to use the bed in the room of the Commander on Odessen and then starting of cut-scene with the nightmares.. But in order for this mission became available , it would be necessary to complete KOTET, (because on Iokath and Umbara, Arcann not involved):rak_03:

What about Senya? If she was still alive at the end, then maybe it also would help if Vaylin return to the body? It was not clear that the daughter was angry at mother during the scene with Valkorion, in the mind of the Outlander, although most likely between them could also be an emotional scene. Paul, what do you think about this?:rak_02:

 

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

 

Timeline: Yeah, this would be set after the events of KOTET. I suppose you could set it after Iokath & Umbara, the faction choice would be minimal at best, and Theron wouldn't be required - so he can do his secret spy stuff while this is occurring.

 

Faction Choice: As I said, if this were focused on Arcann, the Exarch & Vaylin, I don't think the choice would matter. I suppose your 'ally' might hear of the attack and send you support? you could have ships from either the Sith Empire or Republic join the Outlander during the approach & Battle of Nathema.

 

I suppose you could have a glimpse of Major Quinn or Captain Dorna standing on the bridge of the ship your on while you talk to Arcann or Lana.

 

Senya: Hmm...

 

Vaylin didn't seem to notice Senya at all during either versions of the fight, she'll argue with the Outlander briefly about killing Senya, (

) then side with them against Valkorian. (Note: I don't know what happens if you pick the [Lie] option in that conversation)

 

Dark Side - (

)She dies and from what I could tell, her spirit/essence isn't absorbed by the Outlander or Valkorian, so I have no idea why she appears in the final chapter(
). I suppose our character's mind could have brought her in to confuse Valkorian, neither Arcann or Vaylin seem to take notice of her. (Nor do they take notice on the LS version either - I don't know)

 

Light Side - If she comes I suppose there could be a dramatic scene where one of the options could be for her to sacrifices her own life in order to save her daughter from Nathema?

 

Or if she doesn't go, staying on Odessen instead, maybe Vaylin would just look at her before walking off with the Outlander or Arcann?

 

Or are you after something like that?

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Senya: Hmm...

 

Vaylin didn't seem to notice Senya at all during either versions of the fight, she'll argue with the Outlander briefly about killing Senya, (

) then side with them against Valkorian. (Note: I don't know what happens if you pick the [Lie] option in that conversation)

 

Dark Side - (

)She dies and from what I could tell, her spirit/essence isn't absorbed by the Outlander or Valkorian, so I have no idea why she appears in the final chapter(
). I suppose our character's mind could have brought her in to confuse Valkorian, neither Arcann or Vaylin seem to take notice of her. (Nor do they take notice on the LS version either - I don't know)

 

Light Side - If she comes I suppose there could be a dramatic scene where one of the options could be for her to sacrifices her own life in order to save her daughter from Nathema?

 

Or if she doesn't go, staying on Odessen instead, maybe Vaylin would just look at her before walking off with the Outlander or Arcann?

 

Or are you after something like that?

 

 

Well, I don't think that if Senya is alive, there will be a "family hug" the three of them, but Vaylin will not be so obsessed with the desire to kill mother, perhaps her opinion of mother, you will know, during a conversation with her. Maybe it will be 1 of 3 options of dialogue about the mention of mother:

 

1 - If Senya is dead (killed at the beginning of the KOTET)

2 - If Senya sacrificed or greatly assisted

3 - If Senya was not involved in the actions associated with the return Vaylin to life

 

One more thing. Vaylin will be displayed on the Base of the Alliance or would like Malavai or Elara - with using the call? I think rather the second option

 

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Well, I don't think that if Senya is alive, there will be a "family hug" the three of them, but Vaylin will not be so obsessed with the desire to kill mother, perhaps her opinion of mother, you will know, during a conversation with her. Maybe it will be 1 of 3 options of dialogue about the mention of mother:

 

1 - If Senya is dead (killed at the beginning of the KOTET)

2 - If Senya sacrificed or greatly assisted

3 - If Senya was not involved in the actions associated with the return Vaylin to life

 

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If Senya sacrifices herself so Vaylin can live, that could pause her for thought, if only briefly. Might even create friction between her and Arcann.

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If Senya sacrifices herself so Vaylin can live, that could pause her for thought, if only briefly. Might even create friction between her and Arcann.

 

At least Vaylin can be "Redeemed" from Chaotic Evil to Lawful Evil ::rak_03:

 

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With regard to the abduction Vaylin''s body and Holocron - on Nathema, Exarch was going through manipulation of the Force and Holocron, to resurrect Vaylin and make it into a kind of puppet? Or Exarch wanted to absorb her spirit to gain her power?:rak_02:

 

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With regard to the abduction Vaylin''s body and Holocron - on Nathema, Exarch was going through manipulation of the Force and Holocron, to resurrect Vaylin and make it into a kind of puppet? Or Exarch wanted to absorb her spirit to gain her power?:rak_02:

 

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(Had a power cut the first time I typed this out :mad: - think I got it all back in)

 

Hmmm ... Exarchs were the loyal ones ... let's see ...

 

'The Exarch'

 

Exarch's motive: Revenge

 

This Exarch, fought in the war, when the Eternal Empire invaded both the Republic and Sith Empire.

 

(From

- [Around the 10 minute mark KOTFE - Chapter 4], this war lasted one year. With both the Republic and Sith fleets being 'disabled or eliminated' by the third month of the war - best guess, they then picked off the factions planets one at a time and by the end of the year had managed to blockade both Coruscant and Drummond Kass, forcing them both to surrender and pay heavy tribute.

 

QUESTION: The tribute the Eternal Empire was collecting, was that for the Star Fortresses?)

 

After the war ended, this Knight was selected by Arcann to join the 'Exarch Project', survived the 'enhancements', then was given command of one of the Star Fortresses over one of the conquered worlds. (Perhaps

?)

 

By the time the Outlander is actively opposing the Eternal Empire (KOTFE), this Exarch is learning everything he/she can on his/her opponent from various sources ... (Records from the Sith Empire or Republic, survivors of various fights etc.) ... However, his/her quest for knowledge is cut short when the Exarch learns Arcann 'fell' during the

.

 

Six months later (time between Kotfe and Kotet), the Exarch would spend much time punishing those on the planet he/she had been ordered to observe. To further his/her frustration, Scorpio (disguised as Vaylin) ordered the remaining Star Fortress Exarchs to maintain their positions over their worlds (so not to interfere with Scorpio's motive), forcing them to miss the Invasion of Voss, Gravestone/Iokath Incident (KOTET Chapter -

,
,
.)

 

The Exarch regains communication with the EE during the events of (KOTET - Chapter 6), during which the Exarch discovers Vaylin has lead multiple

(six patrols, four outposts, and a Sith supply convey) then learns Valkorian is still around.

 

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Learning about Valkorian:

 

(KOTFE Chapter 6) The Scions / Gravestone Crew learn Valkorian is still about. Should the Exarch get to interrogate one, he/she could discover that way.

 

(KOTFE Chapters 8, 10, 12, 15 & 16) Arcann lets out several comments about Valkorian influencing the Outlander within earshot of Knights/Skytroopers.

 

(KOTET Chapter 6) During this chapter, Arcann, the Outlander and Vaylin (Both

and DS versions) make several comments each about Valkorian still being around & influencing the Outlander, all while those cameras are floating around broadcasting to the rest of the galaxy! While at the same time witnesses a duel between Arcann and Vaylin, then Arcann defecting to the Alliance (LS) or his Death (DS).

 

(KOTET Chapters 1,3,8.) Vaylin lets out several comments within earshot of Knights, Skytroopers, Horizon Guards about Valkorian being inside the Outlander. (If some of these guys survived I could see the Exarch interviewing them and learning of this - Though I think the Chapter 6 reasoning would suffice.)

 

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Learning of Nathema: (

) While we see only one ship approach Nathema, Vaylin's line during the scene she kills the Red Knights ( Jeezz ... Redshirts aren't safe here either?! ) implies there are more ships in orbit. (The Exarch could have learned of Nathema's location from one of these ships or that surviving
.)

 

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Learning about the Holocron: (this one is tricky) I suppose the Exarch could 'sense' the Holocron would be important (maybe sensing Valkorians influence on it? or mistaking Vaylin - and or Arcann's recent taint on it).

 

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Then Vaylin is killed during the

, which turns the Eternal Fleet into 'extermination mode' attacking everything. The Exarch, likely having the same problem as everyone else would be preoccupied battling the machines, not learning of Vaylins demise until later when the Outlander broadcasts to the rest of the galaxy as the new leader of 'Eternal Alliance.'

 

In complete shock as to what just occurred over a short time, the Exarch could then go on making contact with remaining Eternal Empire forces who share the same opinion as him/her, while continuing his/her own investigations into the state of Valkorian presence inside the Outlander. (Unknown to him/her Valkorian is now gone.)

 

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Why recover Vaylin? When Vaylin dies, Arcann / Lana claims the EE forces have lost the will to fight without Vaylin's rage to drive them. Perhaps the Exarch is under the same belief? Without Vaylin the remaining forces have become sloppy, Vaylin's rage is what the Remnant forces need if they want any chance of fighting the Eternal Alliance.

 

Maybe the Exarch has been researching Jedi or Sith healing techniques? believing he/she has found a way to resurrect his/her fallen leader?

 

Or perhaps the Exarch's been lead to believe that Valkorians bloodline can only play host to his essence, and requires either Arcann, Thexan or Vaylin?

 

Or it could just be out of loyalty to the former Emperor/Empress of Zakuul.

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It's impressive, realy , well, then it turns out that :

 

1 - On arrival on Nathema with Arcann or Lana, Outlander first sneaks through the ruins of the city, where the ambush of the Exarch (maybe remnants of Horizon Squad?) at the same time, exploring lore;

 

2 - Then comes the territory between the ruins and the repository (maybe some mountain range?), they are creatures, escaped from the laboratory;

 

3- Then there's Vault (in chapter 7 KOTET, it was blown or littered with debris) is probably the Exarch began clearing the way before him - and the Outlander and companion reach it, avoiding the traps of green gas, gets to places, where there was a Holocron, and there he finds Vaylin''s body (or also Arcann''s body) and then, Exarch throwing the creature on the Outlander, then he joins the battle;

 

4- Then there is a scene with spirit's, as a result, the player is given the choice, after which the Character leaves the planet with acquired companion (or not);

 

5 - Then there is a cut-scene on Odessen, on arrival the Commander;

 

6- Then, on mail, comes the message from Vaylin

 

Right?

 

 

 

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Damn, if they do this, this Exarch has to be a Chiss - I'm getting the Thrawn vibe from this character.

 

(KOTET Chapter 6) During this chapter, Arcann, the Outlander and Vaylin (Both LS and DS versions) make several comments each about Valkorian still being around & influencing the Outlander, all while those cameras are floating around broadcasting to the rest of the galaxy! While at the same time witnesses a duel between Arcann and Vaylin, then Arcann defecting to the Alliance (LS) or his Death (DS)..

 

****, I never noticed that, the three of them told the rest of the galaxy, Valkorian was still around.

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Response in blue.

 

It's impressive, realy , well, then it turns out that :

 

1 - On arrival on Nathema with Arcann or Lana, Outlander first sneaks through the ruins of the city, where the ambush of the Exarch (maybe remnants of Horizon Squad?) at the same time, exploring lore;

 

- if the Exarch is baiting the Outlander to come to him/her I doubt he/she would risk killing the Outlander until he/she's got what they sought after.

 

2 - Then comes the territory between the ruins and the repository (maybe some mountain range?), they are creatures, escaped from the laboratory;

 

Yeah, if you explore the map there are some pretty cool areas.

 

3- Then there's Vault (in chapter 7 KOTET, it was blown or littered with debris) is probably the Exarch began clearing the way before him - and the Outlander and companion reach it, avoiding the traps of green gas, gets to places, where there was a Holocron, and there he finds Vaylin''s body (or also Arcann''s body) and then, Exarch throwing the creature on the Outlander, then he joins the battle;

 

The Exarch tamed one of the giant spider things?

 

4- Then there is a scene with spirit's, as a result, the player is given the choice, after which the Character leaves the planet with acquired companion (or not);

 

Not sure what you're asking.

 

5 - Then there is a cut-scene on Odessen, on arrival the Commander;

 

Going back to Odessen with Vaylin would likely get the attention of anyone nearby. Especially if your DS'ing it.

 

6- Then, on mail, comes the message from Vaylin

 

Hehe - If you want to know what the definition of 'hate mail' is ... brining back Vaylin would likely trigger a lot of people.

 

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Correction:

 

1- Then Outlander with Arcann or Lana walks through the ruins,( along the way possible bonus mission to exploring the lore objeсt's of this place (like in ch. 4 KOTET - on Iokath));

 

3- Maybe before the attack of the Exarch, the Outlander will be attacked any creature? As in ch. 7 KOTET, something like a Corrupted Vault Guardian?:

 

4- After defeating Exarch, then there is a scene with the fate Vaylin - to destroy the Holocron, or to resurrect her (and other choise's, as you suggested, Paul);

 

 

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