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Why are mercenarys putting up bigger numbers than commandos

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Why are mercenarys putting up bigger numbers than commandos

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Gnimish
01.23.2014 , 05:10 PM | #1
Was just looking at torparse and mercenaries are about 200 dps above commando on dummy parses. Is it their offhand damage? Just wondering

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01.23.2014 , 05:12 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Gnimish View Post
Was just looking at torparse and mercenaries are about 200 dps above commando on dummy parses. Is it their offhand damage? Just wondering
There is a current theory that the off-hand hit from Power Shot gives Mercs a higher chance to proc Rail Shot in a given GCD. The mathematical evidence for that is…dubious. A slightly more reasonable explanation is that there are a number of really good Mercs, and not as many insanely good Commandos. Given that Marisi has a commando on which he parses noticeably lower, I'm not sure if this argument holds water.
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Gnimish
01.23.2014 , 05:15 PM | #3
Yea i thought maybe just better mercs then mandos but marisi has highest commando and merc parses so that didnt make since

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Kinslayer
01.23.2014 , 06:07 PM | #4
I really haven't parsed much on my Commando as opposed to my Merc but when I do I proc HIB as reliably as RS so I wouldn't give that argument much merit.

From what I can tell though, they definitely have an advantage when it comes to RS refreshing the CGC DoT because it applies damage as soon as it is applied / refreshed and the OH RS tick, if it doesn't miss, will refresh the DoT a second time immediately after, therefore equal distribution parses will have more CGC burns for Mercs. The OH probably helps as well in applying the DoT in the first place but if you do things right it really shouldn't drop off a single target anyway so this difference is negligible.

All in all, if both gear and lag are the same, which they aren't for me, I estimate it's about a 100 dps advantage for Mercs.
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01.23.2014 , 07:28 PM | #5
More top-geared mini-maxed mercs than mandos? Not as many players want to invest the time it takes to max out a mando toon. Just a guess.
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Gnimish
01.23.2014 , 07:31 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Kinslayer View Post
I really haven't parsed much on my Commando as opposed to my Merc but when I do I proc HIB as reliably as RS so I wouldn't give that argument much merit.

From what I can tell though, they definitely have an advantage when it comes to RS refreshing the CGC DoT because it applies damage as soon as it is applied / refreshed and the OH RS tick, if it doesn't miss, will refresh the DoT a second time immediately after, therefore equal distribution parses will have more CGC burns for Mercs. The OH probably helps as well in applying the DoT in the first place but if you do things right it really shouldn't drop off a single target anyway so this difference is negligible.

All in all, if both gear and lag are the same, which they aren't for me, I estimate it's about a 100 dps advantage for Mercs.
Thanks for feedback. Torparse isnt the best to go by since you dont know about gear differences. Anyways thanks

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01.25.2014 , 02:29 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by KeyboardNinja View Post
There is a current theory that the off-hand hit from Power Shot gives Mercs a higher chance to proc Rail Shot in a given GCD. The mathematical evidence for that is…dubious. A slightly more reasonable explanation is that there are a number of really good Mercs, and not as many insanely good Commandos. Given that Marisi has a commando on which he parses noticeably lower, I'm not sure if this argument holds water.
I'd guess it's the offhand hits applying the DoT just that little bit more regularly? Doesn't seem like that would account for the difference though. It is interesting. As far as I'm aware there isn't a similar disparity between gunslingers and snipers, so I can't see why the offhand would account for it, but commando DPS specs ARE proc dependant whereas so gunslinger spec is proc dependant (or rather, all procs are guaranteed essentially).

Normally I'd chalk it up to player base (more people wanna be Bobba Fett over TK-421), but the fact that the same person is parsing noticeably lower in one class over another (and I guess we're assuming similar gear), is just a tad disconcerting.
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01.25.2014 , 02:36 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
I'd guess it's the offhand hits applying the DoT just that little bit more regularly? Doesn't seem like that would account for the difference though. It is interesting. As far as I'm aware there isn't a similar disparity between gunslingers and snipers, so I can't see why the offhand would account for it, but commando DPS specs ARE proc dependant whereas so gunslinger spec is proc dependant (or rather, all procs are guaranteed essentially).

Normally I'd chalk it up to player base (more people wanna be Bobba Fett over TK-421), but the fact that the same person is parsing noticeably lower in one class over another (and I guess we're assuming similar gear), is just a tad disconcerting.
I'm missing both implants and the earpiece and my Commando is on an east coast server while my Merc is on a west coast server and I live in Australia so when doing anything on the Commando I have anywhere from 70-140 or so more ping which accounts for some of the difference.
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RyderQuanTy
01.25.2014 , 10:51 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
I'd guess it's the offhand hits applying the DoT just that little bit more regularly? Doesn't seem like that would account for the difference though. It is interesting. As far as I'm aware there isn't a similar disparity between gunslingers and snipers, so I can't see why the offhand would account for it, but commando DPS specs ARE proc dependant whereas so gunslinger spec is proc dependant (or rather, all procs are guaranteed essentially).

Normally I'd chalk it up to player base (more people wanna be Bobba Fett over TK-421), but the fact that the same person is parsing noticeably lower in one class over another (and I guess we're assuming similar gear), is just a tad disconcerting.
Question do the dots tick the instant they refresh so refreshing dots would apply dot more often as a lethality ops my corrosive grenade applys it dot instantly corrosive dart applies after a second so refreshin a dot like corrosive grenade would tick immediately and you would get more ticks with 2 chances to refresh
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LordKantner
01.25.2014 , 11:31 AM | #10
Mercs will always be more dps because of OH hits. It translates to more chances to crit and more chances to apply the CGC dot.

EX: Power shot hit the target twice, Charged Bolts hits the target once. Even though the 2nd OH power shot hits the target for lower damage, when it crits it uses the same amount of surge as normal abilities. The 2 piece set bonus on that ability particularly makes the big difference, and you will see that the higher parses are using more power shots.

By this mentality Gunslingers would parse slightly better than snipers, even though they don't have the every attack contributing to a Dot aspect nor the 2 piece.

And it just so happens all the saboteur parses are all Gunslingers...
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