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Kira and Scourge 100% confirmed

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Kira and Scourge 100% confirmed

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OldVengeance
07.18.2019 , 02:56 AM | #11
Gus was teased before his reveal too.

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Ttoilleekul
07.18.2019 , 03:00 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
I don't know how long you've been playing the game, but when whenever companions used to get updated gear from the missions on each new planet, it wasn't all the same design. Back then the gear companions used actually mattered.

Also when Jaesa and Nadia returned, they didn't have the same lightsabers as when they first started out.

Also the photos is very blurry. Even if it is Kira and Scourge's weapons, it certainly isn't "easily seen."
Going back to when companions needed to be geared is irrelevant isn't it. Since that was ended, they now have one weapon all the way through, unless YOU choose to change it.

yes, other companions have returned with different weapons, but again that's irrelevant. If it wasn't Kira's saber at her side on Odessen then we wouldn't know it was her, because weapon changed. But it IS Kira's saber, so we do know its her.

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Ttoilleekul
07.18.2019 , 03:05 AM | #13
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I don't know how you got your screen shot, but mine is like Jaesa's memory of that night with the soldier: fuzzy. It's also small enough (even on a 4K screen) that there's no way to determine the weapons.

EDIT: my screenie: https://i.imgur.com/Uyht21Y.jpg
Dude, I can only summise from this that you have no idea what Kira's saber looks like. For starters you need a different shot, with Kira facing toward her right. From that you can see (even though blurry) that the weapons are the same. You can see the gold end caps, the black grip and the turquoise highlights in the centre. Its a dead give away.

On Scourge's saber you can see far less, but you can see the horn affixed to the pommel.

Again, maybe I notice these things because I am a saber enthusiast too. We notice things like this. Like the huge number of variations in the Gralfex on screen. You can be a huge star wars fan but still know precious little about sabers.

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casirabit
07.18.2019 , 07:50 AM | #14
Maybe stop arguing until the expansion is released. 99% of the time when a companion(s) are returning they will let us know. They normally post companion returning in a post so we know about it, just as they did with Doc and Nadia when they returned in Ossus.

Note: Just for the record I don't care either way.
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SteveTheCynic
07.18.2019 , 11:19 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ttoilleekul View Post
Dude, I can only summise from this that you have no idea what Kira's saber looks like. For starters you need a different shot, with Kira facing toward her right. From that you can see (even though blurry) that the weapons are the same. You can see the gold end caps, the black grip and the turquoise highlights in the centre. Its a dead give away.

On Scourge's saber you can see far less, but you can see the horn affixed to the pommel.

Again, maybe I notice these things because I am a saber enthusiast too. We notice things like this. Like the huge number of variations in the Gralfex on screen. You can be a huge star wars fan but still know precious little about sabers.
You piqued my curiosity, so I searched the already-returned FU companions to see about this. The results are not quite what I expected:
* Nadia's doublesabre has the same look before and after
* Ashara's singlesabres look, in colour patterns and in detailed shape, different before and after
* Xalek's "before" doublesabre looks like Nadia's, while his "after" one is pretty different.
* DSJ's sabres are different in appearance when wielded, but I'm not sure the idfference would be visible in the binocs.
* LSJ's is a different colour after she returns. Different enough to be visible in the binocs? Hard to say.

That's it. All other returned companions are NFUs.

So we are currently four out of five for a returning FU companion's sabre changing, with two changing enough to be clearly visually distinguishable at the fuzziness level seen in my screenshot, one probably changing just enough to be visible, one changing slightly but not necessarily enough to be visible, and the fifth one not changing.

Observation: there's also at least one case of "same skin" between two companions.

Conclusion: not enough information to decide that it is absolutely definitely 1005%(1) certain that it is beyond a shadow of a doubt Kira in the image, nor is there enough to say that it isn't her either.

Among the NFU companions, it's worth noting that two don't even use the same *type* of weapon.

(1) I wrote 1005, a thousand and five, on purpose. It's not a typo.
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SteveTheCynic
07.18.2019 , 11:23 AM | #16
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Maybe stop arguing until the expansion is released. 99% of the time when a companion(s) are returning they will let us know. They normally post companion returning in a post so we know about it, just as they did with Doc and Nadia when they returned in Ossus.
Kaliyo's return was strongly hinted at the end of Chapter IX, but not explicitly described, so there is precedent for a strong tease.
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OldVengeance
07.18.2019 , 01:19 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Ttoilleekul View Post
Going back to when companions needed to be geared is irrelevant isn't it. Since that was ended, they now have one weapon all the way through, unless YOU choose to change it.

yes, other companions have returned with different weapons, but again that's irrelevant. If it wasn't Kira's saber at her side on Odessen then we wouldn't know it was her, because weapon changed. But it IS Kira's saber, so we do know its her.
It's not irrelevant because there is a long precedent for Jedi and Sith changing lightsabers over time within the game.

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HollyUSEC
07.19.2019 , 11:14 AM | #18
There's no reason Bioware wouldn't pull another switcheroo, but it's worth noting that no companions returned DURING Knights of the Eternal Throne. Aside from the returns at the end of KOTFE (Guss and Rusk), no other companions returned until after the Eternal Empire was defeated. The point of that?

ALL companions returning after the Eternal Empire was defeated, with the exceptions of Raina Temple, Quinn and Elara Dorne, were ONLY available to the original classes. Only Smugglers got Corso or Risha. Only Agents got Vector. Only Inquisitors got Andronikos and Ashara. Only Jedi Consulars got Felix Iresso. Only Sith Warriors got Jaesa. The only reason Smugglers got Mako and Bounty Hunters got Akaavi was that the two companions became partners and came together in a package deal. No other class got either of them. Even in Jedi Under Siege, only Jedi Knights got Doc and only Jedi Consulars got Nadia. Only Sith Inquisitors got Khem Val. Raina Temple was the only companion that everyone got. Quinn joined whoever sided with the Empire during the Iokath Story; Elara Dorne joined whoever sided with the Republic. Not "everyone" got them, either. Also, only Sith Warriors were able to kill Quinn for his past transgressions against the player.

So Bioware would be pulling a major deviation from that plan, to make Kira and Scourge available to everyone. Unless Jedi Knights are the only ones who get a follow-up mission in the near future.

Again, there's no reason why Bioware WOULDN'T do this, but it would be a big change from the way post-KOTET companions have been returning. Will other classes get Tharan Cedrax and Zenith as well, or only Jedi Consulars?

Sorry, but I'm part of the "it's not **ABSOLUTELY** indisputable FACT. It's an opinion, and a persuasive one, but still just an opinion" crowd.
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08.02.2019 , 09:38 PM | #19
we've been fooled before ----
I will wait to get excited after 6.0 comes out ....
I remember the infamous "oh that hooded figure is a Scion -- I am sure of it" ----- thing in Iokath
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Lenlo
08.09.2019 , 01:33 AM | #20
Any return now would just be besides the point now since they were not included in KOTFE or KOTET, despite their character backstories both pertaining to the Emperor.
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