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New Star Wars Movies 2022 and beyond....

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MadDutchman
02.01.2020 , 08:47 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
What has "politicization" nonsense to do with actual problems of the sequel trilogy being lack of coherent vision, few original ideas or direction and two directors trying too hard to retcon each others' ideas?
And who do you think was behind Rian Johnson? He was the one who deviated from the original plan (they plotted out the whole trilogy before even starting, and he decided he didn't want to do what was set out). And yet KK has stated she "loved what Rian did" and the story needed to "move forward and remain relevant"

She has the power to sack directors if she doesn't approve of their vision (see Colin Trevorrow and Ep IX)

So if you don't mind the politicization (aka "remaining relevant"), then you can still find plenty more examples of her dropping the ball.
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Pietrastor
02.01.2020 , 09:15 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by MadDutchman View Post
And who do you think was behind Rian Johnson? He was the one who deviated from the original plan (they plotted out the whole trilogy before even starting, and he decided he didn't want to do what was set out). And yet KK has stated she "loved what Rian did" and the story needed to "move forward and remain relevant"

She has the power to sack directors if she doesn't approve of their vision (see Colin Trevorrow and Ep IX)

So if you don't mind the politicization (aka "remaining relevant"), then you can still find plenty more examples of her dropping the ball.
Obviously there's plenty of reasons to sack her, but both Rian and JJ share the blame here if not more. She is not a storyteller or director, so in the end, the final artistic result is primarly up to the director(s). And they both did many things wrong.
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02.04.2020 , 03:32 PM | #23
Yeah I hope it just isnt about the republic but with some foreshadowing for the sith or someting like that





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cunctatorg
02.05.2020 , 01:32 PM | #24
The whole situation may not be extremely complicated, however it is enough complicated...

First of all, these five movies (the three SW Episodes, Rogue One and Solo) have grossed more than a total of 6 (six) billions with a total budget of almost one billion (dollars) or one and a half billion dollars - if we make the conjecture, that is, that they spent about a total of half a billion dollars for promotion and such...

Second, SW undoubtedly survived (so far...) Kathleen Kennedy and her leadership of Lucas Arts; there is a solid fan-base of many spectators (including a lot of -nowadays- children ... and their parents) which could guarantee one billion dollars gross -at least- per new Episode...

Third; these "Generals" also made quite an ... achievement; though TFA alone had grossed more than two billions, the last Episode grossed essentially the half, a little bit more than one billion!!...


The bottom line ... imho; now Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and the other Disney top-guys can address the Disney heavy share-holders and speak something like the following words:
Well, Disney is -so far- this and that and that's that.
We took the responsibility to create and deliver these three Episodes and more and, simultaneously, we didn't mess with Disney's fundamental philosophy and the, already existing, main principles, its direction. Namely we delivered a narrow-themed, not-original, naive enough but "touching" and spectacular-"colorful" Trilogy which was about an essentially moral-religious -and therefore "neutral"- conceptual core. Nothing more, nothing less...
And we did all that without deliver a fatal blow to LucasArts, on the contrary we are today in position to declare that we managed to make enough profits, "equalize" and keep fully alive (of course) the LucasArts investment of yours!
However we had -in return- some well-known issues with a large part of the fan-base, of many critics and all; in return because the Company's direction is obviously quite different from George StarWars Lucas' visions... In addition we might skip profits of almost two billions, however we didn't mess with Disney's directions and these two billions could be considered as the financial part of the price of that all-important consistency...
From now on, the future is up to you!...
You could decide to keep following mostly the same pattern ...
... OR ...
... to sail for unknown waters; to set some (unknown) visions and ideas in motion, to investigate new territories and such.
However this is fully equivalent with a clear change of direction, at ... least with respect to the LucasArts branch of Disney!!... We are well aware of the fact that StarWars are inherently about philosophy, politics, ideology and history but these issues are quite ... delicate, very subtle, fluid and ... cursed from top to bottom; nevertheless they are out of the existing Disney's policy.
As an example Bob Iger made a lot of (vain?) efforts to establish contact with the Chinese markets, a future giant of a market; however Chinese are quite skeptical, they may believe that the (evil) Sith can be considered as natural-born enemies of the U.S. political regime, they (the Sith) are obviously in full favor of totalitarianism and such. Chinese leaders are fully in favor of Confucius' ... "Philosophers-Kings" and the Chinese audiences are afraid that the evil Sith are an artistic representation of the efficient ... communists! At the opposite side, the U.S. and European audiences are in favor of Representative Democracy, elections, freedom of speech and freedom of critics and they would (most probably) hate any compromise of these ideals and any attempt to make a ... marriage between, say, Thomas Jefferson's ideas and Plato's "Republic" with its "Philosophers-Kings" acting as the Epitome of Dark Councils... Furthermore any co-production of Disney's movies of that kind with Chinese Companies is an utterly delicate (if not questionable) issue...
As another example, any Godfather project is obviously a stranger to Disney's actual visions; however George Lucas' latest Trilogy (TPM, AotC and TRoS) are about a comparable, "scaled" Tragedy...
Well, we have spoken a lot , we made ourselves clear enough and the bottom line is that this very heavy -and equally risky- task is up to you! How to, when, where and all is up to you... Period.



That said, I have to add that I liked a lot the core (and only the core) of the very last Episode, I understood why it grossed only the half of that "empty explosion" of TFA and I missed very much George Lucas' creativity; moreover he had a lot of ... "what to tell"... and he certainly knew how to do it; however SW;Ep. III, RotS (2005) was also rushed!!... Compared, that is, to Episodes I and II.
SW;KotOR2;TSL was also great and greatest!!
Perhaps I will miss really good StarWars, after all it's a very demanding project.

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02.06.2020 , 12:00 PM | #25
And here i thought Disney was to blame for the politization and political correctness in the new Disney movies. It is now their property after all and they can do what they please with it. I just wonder what about all those novels written by writers based on Star Wars before the Disney take over. To have all their hard work just thrown in the trash bin. I wonder how they feel about it. I especially like those ones where an alien race tries to conquer the galaxy and they are immune to the Force, Well that is just me i guess.

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MadDutchman
02.06.2020 , 06:06 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by TheGameManiac View Post
And here i thought Disney was to blame for the politization and political correctness in the new Disney movies. It is now their property after all and they can do what they please with it. I just wonder what about all those novels written by writers based on Star Wars before the Disney take over. To have all their hard work just thrown in the trash bin. I wonder how they feel about it. I especially like those ones where an alien race tries to conquer the galaxy and they are immune to the Force, Well that is just me i guess.
Nah, if it was Disney it'd be consistent across all media.

As for all the old authors, I imagine it depends on how invested they were in the actual universe, and whether they had a chance to bring their beloved characters back into canon like Thrawn
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that_Spartan_IV
02.07.2020 , 06:37 AM | #27
Please no. No more Star Wars movies. Just stop.
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GhostRiderz
02.07.2020 , 12:04 PM | #28
Kathleen K is a Kennedy and that whole family tree is politically INCORRECT and messes up all they touch! They end up dead. I was happy to see her and Ryan gone. At least JJ Abrams is slightly better but I am sick of the CANON arguments. Bottom line is was it cohesive to anything else that came before or fits in some way, did they tell a good story? Yes in some ways, in other ways it ways maybe not. Like or do not, there is no other option.
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Nemmar
02.08.2020 , 08:05 AM | #29
Oh man... i dunno if i want more after the last trilogy...

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02.08.2020 , 09:21 AM | #30
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Oh man... i dunno of i want more after the last trilogy...
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. I want more Star Wars, but was not particularly satisfied with those three movies. For me, they weren't horrible, but I know if they happen to be on the tube, I stroll right past them and find something else to watch. I never, and still don't have that same feeling when it comes to the originals or even the prequels.

There appears to be some hope with the offshoots, so we'll see what happens.

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