Just thinking about this after watching ROTJ. If Qui-Gon Jinn is the only one that knows how to do this and teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan how did Anakin learn this Did Qui-Gon teach it to him even though he was a sith because he knew that he was the Chosen one

The answer, sadly, is that George Lucas wasn't thinking about continuity in this universe when he created the newest trilogy. There are a lot of inconsistencies that haunt the movies, this is just another good example.

 

If we were to try and make sense of it... well, I always imagined that he didn't do it on purpose, but when he killed the Emperor he had finally brought balance to the force, or something.

" Darth Vader learned of this ability through Darth Sidious, and upon his death, the spirits of Kenobi and Yoda completed his training by granting him the last step in becoming a spirit. Anakin's spirit appeared as that of his younger self, prior to his fall to the dark side."

" Darth Vader learned of this ability through Darth Sidious, and upon his death, the spirits of Kenobi and Yoda completed his training by granting him the last step in becoming a spirit. Anakin's spirit appeared as that of his younger self, prior to his fall to the dark side."

 

But he still knew that he was Vader. Which is weird, he appeared light-sided but knew that he use to be the almighty evil Dark Lord.

" Darth Vader learned of this ability through Darth Sidious, and upon his death, the spirits of Kenobi and Yoda completed his training by granting him the last step in becoming a spirit. Anakin's spirit appeared as that of his younger self, prior to his fall to the dark side."

 

Where did this come from?

Where did this come from?

 

Wookieepedia, makes sense seeing as Obi-Wan and Yoda were also ghosts and they could have guided him in the netherworld.

Anakin's spirit appeared as that of his younger self, prior to his fall to the dark side."

 

that is the most absurd thing about it. shoulda kept it the original way with the older actor.

that is the most absurd thing about it. shoulda kept it the original way with the older actor.

 

Why? Anakin was no longer Anakin when he turned to the darkside. He was Darth Vader, so it makes sense that his being of lightside is himself before going to the darkside its not absurd at all when you think about it.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

force ghosts obi wan anakin and yoda got captured on video

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAFqIOYgVEw&feature=related

 

 

except that in the end he turned back to the light, thus he'd still look how he did at his death..

ok in the third movie you hear Darth Sidous say, ill show you how to prevent yourself or the ones you love from dying. Then goes on to say that he does not know the secret but together that they would find the answer, no where in any of the movies does it show them learning this ability but i guess in the time lapse from the third movie to the sixth they must have had found how to accomplish this. Also think of it this way, in the First star wars movie, Palpatine must have been in his 60s or 70s and then in the sixth book which you would have to assume is atleast 30 years later (based on the apparent age of luke skywalker) therefore making Sidious atleast 90 years old. Kind of hard to still be strong in the dark side of the force being that age and able to move nimbly. So that also shows that they learned this "life extending" ability.

yes but the sith way of cheating death is not becomeing a force ghost after you die. There thing was not dieing at all therefore not needing to become a force ghost.

Wookieepedia, makes sense seeing as Obi-Wan and Yoda were also ghosts and they could have guided him in the netherworld.

 

you really need to lay off Wookiepedia. The vast majority of their stuff is the authors interpretation of events based off of non canon sources.

 

here are some of the sources they use in the article you quoted

 

 

 

Star Wars: The Power of the Force (1985)

Star Wars: The Power of the Force (1995)

Alliance and Empire Expansion Set

Star Wars: The Action Figure Archive

 

 

those are all from the boxes of toys.

you really need to lay off Wookiepedia. The vast majority of their stuff is the authors interpretation of events based off of non canon sources.

 

here are some of the sources they use in the article you quoted

 

 

 

Star Wars: The Power of the Force (1985)

Star Wars: The Power of the Force (1995)

Alliance and Empire Expansion Set

Star Wars: The Action Figure Archive

 

 

those are all from the boxes of toys.

 

Um..they also appeared in several other things aswell, making them sources too. It doesn't matter if its an interpretation, its still there explaining it in some form or another that makes sense. In fact for this you don't really need to even use the wiki, you can make that realization by just watching the movies.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

Um..they also appeared in several other things aswell, making them sources too. It doesn't matter if its an interpretation, its still there explaining it in some form or another that makes sense. In fact for this you don't really need to even use the wiki, you can make that realization by just watching the movies.

 

if you are saying it's an official reason then yeah it does matter if it's an interpretation.

 

Are you also saying that from the movies you come to the realization that Sideous taught Anakin how to become a jedi ghost?

if you are saying it's an official reason then yeah it does matter if it's an interpretation.

 

Are you also saying that from the movies you come to the realization that Sideous taught Anakin how to become a jedi ghost?

 

No because he didn't teach him, he learned that there was a force ghost technique from him. Theres a difference between teaching and learning from, never did it say that Sidious taught him it. Obi-Wan and Yoda were the ones that helped Anakin with becoming a force ghost.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

From the Darth Vader wookieepedia page:

 

Though Skywalker did not know about Qui-Gon Jinn's secret of joining the Force, and was surprised when Kenobi's body vanished right before he killed him, he was still able to retain his personality when joining the Force. Jinn had been outspoken in life about the Living Force, and taught Yoda on Dagobah that the secret to eternal life via the Force, was with love. Thus, according to Jinn, a Sith could never truly attain it. As he passed from life, Skywalker's love for his son consumed him completely, transforming him into a spirit like his Master had before him.

 

end debate.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Dylancholy

if you are saying it's an official reason then yeah it does matter if it's an interpretation.

 

Are you also saying that from the movies you come to the realization that Sideous taught Anakin how to become a jedi ghost?

 

If I'm correct.. isn't like impossible to become a Force Ghost as a Sith?

 

 

We have only Khallig but he doesn't seem that dark sided.

From the Darth Vader wookieepedia page:

 

 

 

end debate.

 

not really since naga sadow marko ragnoes exar kun would like have word with jinn.

except that in the end he turned back to the light, thus he'd still look how he did at his death..

 

From what i understand, your meant to view Darth Vader & Anakin as two different people, he was blinded and corrupted when he was transformed into Vader, but when he was dying and he saved Luke he had reverted to his old original self Anakin, so when he died his ghost was him as a jedi not sith.

From what i understand, your meant to view Darth Vader & Anakin as two different people, he was blinded and corrupted when he was transformed into Vader, but when he was dying and he saved Luke he had reverted to his old original self Anakin, so when he died his ghost was him as a jedi not sith.

 

But he was the same person as Vader meaning he knew what he had done as a Sith Lord but now he was light-sided.

 

 

Becuase he begs Leia to forgive him.

But he was the same person as Vader meaning he knew what he had done as a Sith Lord but now he was light-sided.

 

 

Becuase he begs Leia to forgive him.

 

Physically he was the same person yes but not mentally, think of him as he had schizophrenia, Anakin his good side and Vader his bad side.

 

In a mental fight Vader killed Anakin and took control through him being mislead, corrupted and blinded by the dark side.

 

But when Anakin is laying dormant he can't watch his son get killed and takes over, redeeming himself in a way and completing what he was meant to do all along, bring balance.

If you play through Knights of the Old Republic (the first one), you encounter the Force Ghost of Ajunta Pall, who is a darksider. This establishes the fact that Qui-gon was not the fisrt to learn it, and that it is not restricted to the Light Side.

from what I remeber reading In The book : The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi

It says when vader was dying and on the precipice of the world of the living and the netherworld obi-wan's and yoda's goast guided him in learning the ability

Edited February 27, 2012 by mattchanner

But why wouldn't they become one with he force, why did they deny themselves of

 

this i can understand the darksiders doing it but not so much the lightsiders..