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Warzone/Arena Leader

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Yeldah_
01.26.2019 , 04:50 PM | #1
Does anyone else think that this should be determined by a vote prior to the match starting? I envision this to work just as the MVP vote is cast but prior to game commencement as opposed to after the match is over.
I mean quite often I used to see arena matches lost just because the team did not agree on which target was first. They could have won easily if they simply agreed no? Anyway I digress.
Apparently the Warzone/arena group leader is determined by valor at present. Should it not be chosen by the players in the squad? Also should the person chosen not have the option to pass it to someone else if they get disconnected or whatever?

PVPers respond please.
Devs pay attention please.
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KendraP
01.26.2019 , 05:38 PM | #2
And what would a populatity contest at the beginning of each match prove? You'd still have the same issue of people not focusing the same target.

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Yeldah_
01.26.2019 , 07:00 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
And what would a populatity contest at the beginning of each match prove? You'd still have the same issue of people not focusing the same target.
Perhaps people listen to the person they elect? Follow what that person says?
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Yeldah_
01.26.2019 , 07:25 PM | #4
If you all think OPS leader is pointless for PVP should it be removed altogether?
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KendraP
01.26.2019 , 07:37 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Yeldah_ View Post
If you all think OPS leader is pointless for PVP should it be removed altogether?
have you been an ops leader in a pure pug setting? it practically is pointless. if you are an ops leader of a guild formed group, it's a different scenario, as hypothetically speaking, they knew you were good enough to lead the raid.

in a pure pug though, everyone thinks they know best. why are they going to listen to some random person group finder matched them with.

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Sertar
01.26.2019 , 11:26 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
in a pure pug though, everyone thinks they know best. why are they going to listen to some random person group finder matched them with.
this is not true. if people are forced to pick one of the other 3 players of their team in a 4v4 for example and can't chose themselves you would see clear tendencies of experienced/respected players being chosen.

There are 2 problems tho:

1. the situation of 2 players getting 2 votes each, which can't really be solved in an elegant way.
2. what's the purpose? only difference of ops leaders is their color in chat. everyone can make calls in chat and everyone can mark targets.

also you would still have the problem of people not listening to calls/marks and doing whatever they want. so there is in fact no point of implementing such a system.

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KendraP
01.26.2019 , 11:42 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Sertar View Post
this is not true. if people are forced to pick one of the other 3 players of their team in a 4v4 for example and can't chose themselves you would see clear tendencies of experienced/respected players being chosen.

There are 2 problems tho:

1. the situation of 2 players getting 2 votes each, which can't really be solved in an elegant way.
2. what's the purpose? only difference of ops leaders is their color in chat. everyone can make calls in chat and everyone can mark targets.

also you would still have the problem of people not listening to calls/marks and doing whatever they want. so there is in fact no point of implementing such a system.
yeah sure, the only players that form raids on fleet are experienced or respected.

As to the last parts where you seem to contradict your initial point that it would accomplish something, I said this earlier in the thread, but apparently looking up is difficult, so here it is again.
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
And what would a popularity contest at the beginning of each match prove? You'd still have the same issue of people not focusing the same target.

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kal_nord
01.26.2019 , 11:57 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
And what would a populatity contest at the beginning of each match prove? You'd still have the same issue of people not focusing the same target.

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Yeldah_
01.27.2019 , 12:34 AM | #9
So we are in agreement then. OPs leader in PVP is literally pointless and may as well be removed. So why was it put there in the first place?
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Seterade
01.27.2019 , 12:48 AM | #10
Im not sure why this has to be explained.... its not a preformed op group. its a recycled group queue format from group finder. every group has a leader, and if pvp uses recycled group formation and gets a "leader" good for him. how about you make his position special and give the op leader a hug everytime. that way it isnt useless. op leader gets hugs. in the meantime bioware is not going to recode group formation because you dont want someone else getting a special chat color