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Honestly, after playing all 3 roles for a year in this game now, DPS get bashed on probably the most out of the three. Good DPS are RARELY recognized and usually just lumped in with the rest being called derps because of a few bad apples who can't drop threat/avoid circles and do damage to save their life. There are a TON of stupid DPS, they shouldn't be doing stupid things but when the DPS make mistakes they tend to get bashed upon pretty hard because the healer "Has to fix their mistakes". Honestly healers get bashed on WAY more then tanks. People see dropping HP and immediately associate it with a bad healer instead of them making mistakes. That being said there are plenty of bad healers that should be able to heal through the occasional mistake. You can have a mediocre tank but as long as you have a good healer it'll cover up that mediocre tanking quite a bit.

 

Anywho, just some rambling of mine :o

 

Yeah its hard to heal you if you constantly stand on those circles lol! =P

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Fortunately I've never had to deal with this kind of problem. Most of the time when I pug it up I've gotten pretty great healers, or at least healers who know what the hell they're doing. The one time I had a problem it was my fault on the Rakghoul boss in Kaon, I couldn't keep aggro on him, but we fixed that right up.

However, I hear you loud and clear OP, I've heard quite a few stories from fellow tanks about this sort of thing.

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Well it sounds like you got one of those idiots that ques up as a healer but is really a dps

We on Rep side see it often as well (well I dont as all my 50s healers, but I hear about it constantly from guildies in GF groups).

 

BUT I been noticeing some really bad tanks out there as well

 

As I said, I have 4 50 healers

*From most powerful/geared to least powerful/geared*

Sage

Commando

Scoundrel

Merc

 

I run my GF HMs daily for awhile now but only recently started doing them for Merc

 

So I get into GF and pop, Battle of Ilum, appearently im replaceing their last healer...not a good sign

So I catch up to them and we at the boss (that you can run past but they refuse to) where there is him and his 2 buddies (one on each side and easy to kill) that stuns the group and adds come from steath to you.

 

So fight goes like this: Tank is Takeing HUGE damage to the point I have to stay focused on him alone and cant heal anyone else, we wipe and boss not even close to dead.

 

I ask: Tank, what gear you have on as your taking way to much damage for this fight

Tank: I have done this before

Me: Great but thats not what I asked

Tank: We can do it, you just need to heal more and they have to stop stunning me

Me: *sees tank so inspects and sure enough, Tank in base Tionesse (not augmented)*

Me: Yeah I see why you wouldnt tell me what your gear is and why your last healer dropped. If you want to do HMs, learn the fights and at least augment the tionese at a minimum, better yet get columi by running storymodes for abit

*leaves group*

 

So I que up and get Battle of Ilum yet again

So we run through Flashpoint and Im showing them all the shortcuts as none of the 3 ever seen them before appearently

 

We get to terminal before last boss, I mark and say im ccing Maurader, tank leaps to maurader and breaks cc soon as I cc it. Others start running at me and he doesnt taunt them away or try to intercept them at all and we wipe.

 

Nerxt round I mark maurader but cc medic cause sure enough the idiot leaps to maurader again DESPITE being told its the cc target.

A dpser covers me this time and we get through fight

 

We get to last boss (remember im playing my merc so my Kolto AOE is small radius and players need to stay togather in this fight because of that

Fight starts and tank runs to far end away from everyone

2 DPSers make it worse by also spreading out (appearently their guns dont work grouped togather)

Sure enough, to much damage to heal with single target heals and we wipe

 

Round 2

They do as I say and we hit enrage timer and wipe

Tank: Healer, you need to use *single target heal, forget which he said* more, rapid shot not enough

Me: Ummmm we hit enrage, that has nothing to do with my healing, thats about your all dps being to low. You were alive to hit enrage. I did my job.

 

Round 3

 

DPSers once again seperate from group and the damage to high to just single target heal (I need to single target and aoe heal togather plus manage heat by utilizing rapid fire)

Tank: Stop using rapid fire and use your big heals healer

*I dont even respond as fronkly hes to freaking stupid to warrent a responce. Its like he doesnt understand the big single target heals create heat and can only do a certain number before over heated. Gawd I hate when bad tanks try to play other players classes*

 

Round 4

 

Hit enrage yet again (all alive and over 80% health at time we hit enrage mark) and tank says

"Im done, healer will not healing properly"

 

I say this experience cause after this group I (by instinct) started treating and explaining every little detail to any tank I got for a few days because of this experience. Even though most tanks after were fine and didnt need such coddleing.

 

PS: I requed in GF, got Battle of Ilum for a 3rd time that day. This group 1 shotted FP with no issue or drama and when I told them of my last run they just shook heads and sighed at the nonsense.

 

Yes there is a shortage of tanks.

But imo BAD TANKS amplify the problem 100 so and make people not want to tank because of the drama they see.

 

PPS: I dont know if I read OP wrong but if hes running from fight to fight not healing between fights. Thats not really the healers fault if your hps get low. I see it so often. Players under 50% health and just run off and engage into next fight, assuming the healer will rush and heal them up.

 

Gotta admit, I give pug tanks (or dpsers for that matter) ONE WARNING to heal between fights. Then I let them die once to get the message my words didnt get through to. They keep doing it after that, leave group or kick them (kicked a DPSer just yesterday right before Scarface (what ever name) in Malstrom because he got 3 warnings and would not stop to let tank (Vanguard) recover ammo before next fight)

 

(obviously im talking about when im low energy/force/ammo and need to recover power but tank/dps will not allow me to. Not talking about when im at full power)

 

I think part of the problem is people see the fall out of bad tanks and just dont want the hassle and stick mostly to guild groups, not GF.

 

I know I avoid GF like the plague if I can and have skipped hms completely some days when no guild tank online.

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That just means he put a point in Corruption. ;) He may have been more specc'ed for DPS than for heals.

 

Does anyone know if this bug has been fixed yet? If not, this may be what happened to the OP.

 

I would think the Sorc would realize he was put in as healer incorrectly - especially since he was actually doing a significant amount of healing, I would have at least thought to call out the other supposed healer for not healing, and noticed that I had the group finder healer icon on me.

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Sorry, OP, you did not handle it correctly. When the healer does not heal, call them out or kick them. Maybe they do not understand the rules of the game, but better to find it out than wiping and wasting your time.

 

Disagree. The healer WAS called out, and we got through the turret fight, so I thought it had clicked. The Rakghoul Behemoth went all wrong, but I couldn't manage explaining why you don't Extricate the tank in the middle of trying to recover that mess, and while the heals sucked we still got the boss down in 1 try. DPS was slow on that fight but I assumed it was because the healer made that mistake and they didn't have enough good DPS time. I assumed the healer had also just made a mistake another. That was when the DPS starting giving up having to be on the healer's back, and after the 2nd boss fight they just stopped caring. That turning point was sudden, and kicking the healer would have done no good. The rest of the group had given up, finding a new one was the better option.

 

Unless someone is clearly and obviously griefing, causing trouble or doesn't know what to do and refuses to learn, I always give the benefit of the doubt before initiating a vote kick. The part that p***** me off last night is it didn't stop when I bowed out. Maybe it's time to be less lax about my policy.

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I don't wanna sound like an ******e here, (ok, maybe a bit), but I agree with the OP. And tbh, I've realized one thing. This started AFTER the game went free to play.

No it didn't. I gave up on groups in part because there was no shortage of, say, sentinels wearing smuggler gear, rolling "Need" on consular gear, and ignoring adds on the sages and scoundrels (not to pick on sentinels - I've seen similar with other classes, but, well, hey, sentinels are easy to pick on). And that was well before F2P.

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I typically whisper the healer before we set off to gauge their potential. If they are confident I'll reinforce that and let 'em know I'm ok with them not healing players who won't cool their jets. If the healer lacks confidence I will let them know my tanking preferences & tendencies right off and pay extra attention to their well being. That's where I always start, and that's with a full pug.

 

I usually queue with my own healer, and we normally already have a feel for each other and how each will react to certain scenarioes and fight mechanics. Our guild uses Vent which works wonders for tank/heals communication. At that point it becomes a question of whether or not dps is an asset or a liability.

 

I'm always willing to be patient and help out a player who is actually trying. Conversely disruptive players merit kick consideration. I really do try and keep it that simple.

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I would think the Sorc would realize he was put in as healer incorrectly - especially since he was actually doing a significant amount of healing, I would have at least thought to call out the other supposed healer for not healing, and noticed that I had the group finder healer icon on me.

 

not necessarily

 

Last week we pugged a 2nd healer for EV HM and got this sage

At the Big B I kept telling her to drop Sacrafice when we switched islands and she would single taget heal

After fight (we won anyways as EV HM not that hard really) we found out shes a hybred that went half way up heal tree only.

 

People can que intentionally as healer but not have the proper heals available.

 

Its like those morons that que as tank and then insist they are better tanks by being in DPS stances (Im not joking...seen it multiple times in PUGs)

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Personally I really hate how NO ONE EVER interrupts Mercenaries in Kaon:mad: Well my guildies do, but I'm talking about pugs. Sure if a mercenary grapples me, I use my anti-stun ability to free myself and I always interrupt mercs when they capture someone else, but If I get captured a second time and the group is low geared it's a very possible wipe. So I just helplessly sit there, watching as trash slaughters all of them, because they would rather die than free their tank.... Even if I tell them countless times to interrupt mercs...
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That just means he put a point in Corruption. ;) He may have been more specc'ed for DPS than for heals.

 

Does anyone know if this bug has been fixed yet? If not, this may be what happened to the OP.

 

Actually, Revivification is the top healing talent in the Corruption tree, so there's no way he was specced for more DPS instead of healing. As for the bug with people getting queued for the wrong roles, I actually haven't seen that one yet.

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When I play my Tank, people feel I'm responsible for everything.

 

 

DPS don't coordinate attacks, healers more often than not can't properly heal... PUGs are a pain.

 

 

Once, in a moment of pure folly, I queued for HM Lost Island with my Healer (if the healer knows the place, stuff can't go awry I thought) and came across something fantastic: The Hotshot Tank.

 

The guy comes in, places himself as Uber Admiral Awesome leading the group, blabbler about his uber Endurance, can't tank the droid boss for his life and blame the healer.

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Well it sounds like you got one of those idiots that ques up as a healer but is really a dps

We on Rep side see it often as well (well I dont as all my 50s healers, but I hear about it constantly from guildies in GF groups).

 

BUT I been noticeing some really bad tanks out there as well

 

As I said, I have 4 50 healers

*From most powerful/geared to least powerful/geared*

Sage

Commando

Scoundrel

Merc

 

I run my GF HMs daily for awhile now but only recently started doing them for Merc

 

So I get into GF and pop, Battle of Ilum, appearently im replaceing their last healer...not a good sign

So I catch up to them and we at the boss (that you can run past but they refuse to) where there is him and his 2 buddies (one on each side and easy to kill) that stuns the group and adds come from steath to you.

 

So fight goes like this: Tank is Takeing HUGE damage to the point I have to stay focused on him alone and cant heal anyone else, we wipe and boss not even close to dead.

 

I ask: Tank, what gear you have on as your taking way to much damage for this fight

Tank: I have done this before

Me: Great but thats not what I asked

Tank: We can do it, you just need to heal more and they have to stop stunning me

Me: *sees tank so inspects and sure enough, Tank in base Tionesse (not augmented)*

Me: Yeah I see why you wouldnt tell me what your gear is and why your last healer dropped. If you want to do HMs, learn the fights and at least augment the tionese at a minimum, better yet get columi by running storymodes for abit

*leaves group*

 

So I que up and get Battle of Ilum yet again

So we run through Flashpoint and Im showing them all the shortcuts as none of the 3 ever seen them before appearently

 

We get to terminal before last boss, I mark and say im ccing Maurader, tank leaps to maurader and breaks cc soon as I cc it. Others start running at me and he doesnt taunt them away or try to intercept them at all and we wipe.

 

Nerxt round I mark maurader but cc medic cause sure enough the idiot leaps to maurader again DESPITE being told its the cc target.

A dpser covers me this time and we get through fight

 

We get to last boss (remember im playing my merc so my Kolto AOE is small radius and players need to stay togather in this fight because of that

Fight starts and tank runs to far end away from everyone

2 DPSers make it worse by also spreading out (appearently their guns dont work grouped togather)

Sure enough, to much damage to heal with single target heals and we wipe

 

Round 2

They do as I say and we hit enrage timer and wipe

Tank: Healer, you need to use *single target heal, forget which he said* more, rapid shot not enough

Me: Ummmm we hit enrage, that has nothing to do with my healing, thats about your all dps being to low. You were alive to hit enrage. I did my job.

 

Round 3

 

DPSers once again seperate from group and the damage to high to just single target heal (I need to single target and aoe heal togather plus manage heat by utilizing rapid fire)

Tank: Stop using rapid fire and use your big heals healer

*I dont even respond as fronkly hes to freaking stupid to warrent a responce. Its like he doesnt understand the big single target heals create heat and can only do a certain number before over heated. Gawd I hate when bad tanks try to play other players classes*

 

Round 4

 

Hit enrage yet again (all alive and over 80% health at time we hit enrage mark) and tank says

"Im done, healer will not healing properly"

 

I say this experience cause after this group I (by instinct) started treating and explaining every little detail to any tank I got for a few days because of this experience. Even though most tanks after were fine and didnt need such coddleing.

 

PS: I requed in GF, got Battle of Ilum for a 3rd time that day. This group 1 shotted FP with no issue or drama and when I told them of my last run they just shook heads and sighed at the nonsense.

 

Yes there is a shortage of tanks.

But imo BAD TANKS amplify the problem 100 so and make people not want to tank because of the drama they see.

 

PPS: I dont know if I read OP wrong but if hes running from fight to fight not healing between fights. Thats not really the healers fault if your hps get low. I see it so often. Players under 50% health and just run off and engage into next fight, assuming the healer will rush and heal them up.

 

Gotta admit, I give pug tanks (or dpsers for that matter) ONE WARNING to heal between fights. Then I let them die once to get the message my words didnt get through to. They keep doing it after that, leave group or kick them (kicked a DPSer just yesterday right before Scarface (what ever name) in Malstrom because he got 3 warnings and would not stop to let tank (Vanguard) recover ammo before next fight)

 

(obviously im talking about when im low energy/force/ammo and need to recover power but tank/dps will not allow me to. Not talking about when im at full power)

 

I think part of the problem is people see the fall out of bad tanks and just dont want the hassle and stick mostly to guild groups, not GF.

 

I know I avoid GF like the plague if I can and have skipped hms completely some days when no guild tank online.

 

Tionese is perfectly fine for Battle of Ilum hardmode, you'd be plain crazy to waste credits augmenting tionese gear. I'm not saying he's a good tank by any means, for all I know he could have been NOT using a shield or tank stance or even been specced into tanking properly, but tionese gear is MORE then sufficient for hardmode flashpoints minus LI HM which is tuned for Columi

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Good post OP. This is an interesting discussion. I run a Shadow Tank, but my main is a dps. But now that I tank, I see the world in a hole new light. lol.

 

Group finder is what it is. Sometimes you get some good groups and other times they are a nightmare. It's the luck of the draw. But generally, I have found that many peeps who aren't as experienced just need a little guidance and patience. But there are times when you get peeps who think they know how to play their class and or role and clearly do not. They won't take direction and they won't listen. You know what I'm talking about. lol! "Don't go in that room, Ok?" "k" and... you know what happens next.

 

What has worked for me is to try and be specific as possible on what we are doing when I'm running as a tank. I try not to tell peeps how to play their class, but a few key reminders seem to help such as, "we will need your aoe heals on this one" or "dps, you need to peal off and protect the healer here." I have never kicked anyone. Haven't had too. I always reach out to the person having issues just give them the warm and fuzzy that we can do it if you do x, y, and z.

 

Having said all of that... I rarely run HM FPs anymore. I get a great deal more out of Ops. That is much easier in my view even to pug. Sounds ironic, but groups take much better direction in Ops, and there is less of a chance of someone not playing their class.

 

oh btw, in my experience, this is not a f2p issue. This has been and ongoing saga since last December.

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PPS: I dont know if I read OP wrong but if hes running from fight to fight not healing between fights. Thats not really the healers fault if your hps get low. I see it so often. Players under 50% health and just run off and engage into next fight, assuming the healer will rush and heal them up.

 

Fair point, I just can't put down all of the details without it turning into an unreable book. Having been on the other side of that coin (I was a healer for years in WoW) I fully understand how much that can piss off a healer, so I never just charge in without making sure the healer is ready. If I'm low on HP after a fight and the healer is regenerating, I Seethe to recover. Which is what I did. The problem was just really poor healing/gameplay in general for the whole instance. But I totally get where you're coming from on that. Whether I've played a DPS, healer or tank, I have seen other tanks do it and I don't feel bad if they get killed for it.

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not necessarily

 

Last week we pugged a 2nd healer for EV HM and got this sage

At the Big B I kept telling her to drop Sacrafice when we switched islands and she would single taget heal

After fight (we won anyways as EV HM not that hard really) we found out shes a hybred that went half way up heal tree only.

 

People can que intentionally as healer but not have the proper heals available.

 

Its like those morons that que as tank and then insist they are better tanks by being in DPS stances (Im not joking...seen it multiple times in PUGs)

 

Oh, I agree...I've seen it happen. But the person I was replying to was asking if it was just an accident due to a GF bug. Obviously if the person intentionally queued in an inappropriate spec then they won't say anything. It's too bad you can't inspect talent trees in Swtor, unless I've missed it all this time.

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I think a big reason so few tank effectively in this game is because it's old school raw. There isn't a bar full of "oh sh**!" buttons, and facerolling the keyboard does nothing. Have to actually focus and apply the lost art of technique: keeping your head on a constant swivel, using the terrain to your advantage, moving multiple mobs around while holding a boss' attention (love tanking the HK-47 fight in Foundry), positioning and repositioning mobs to help set up special or AoE attacks, as well as keeping the taunt, aggro bomb and boss interrupt in reserve to name a few.

 

I like it. But I can also see how it might be difficult for someone unfamiliar with raw tanking to pick it up after only doing it a few times. If they're already in end game then there's no excuse for poor technique. Aside from a host of standard tank & spanks, there's a lot of alert feel required to tank in this game.

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I don't wanna sound like an ******e here, (ok, maybe a bit), but I agree with the OP. And tbh, I've realized one thing. This started AFTER the game went free to play. Many people that don't understand the roles and/or mechanics are now in, because they don't have to pay monthly. And as much as they don't have access to content as much as we do, they still come in, and I seem to find those people most of the time when I'm in LFG. However, I have to point something out: the biggest mistake of most groups imo - trying to skip as much as a FP as possible. This leads to many complications. I've done my fair share of tanking in MMOs tho, and we do get trashed a lot :/

 

To end: :rak_03::rak_03: just because I like how it looks :p

 

Negative. There have always been bad players be they DPS, Healers, or Tanks. This has been consistent in any MMO. As a tank I have the most ability to control a situation provided the healer keeps me up. I will ALWAYS keep aggro or pull aggro if they somehow pull it. I can always make up for bad DPS.

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Sadly I must admit I have to agree with you OP

 

My main is an Immortal Jugg. I did this because in my last MMO I tanked damn near anything and was told I did it well. I found it was something I just appeared to be naturally good at. I also used to run end game guilds and so my natural inclination is to explain and teach where I see a need for it.

 

Normally this means I dive right in as the tank and happily help new people learn the run be it a PUG for a HM or for a Heroic. On top of this I also seldom have any real down time because my significant other chooses to play a Bodyguard Merc and so I basically have my own full time Medic... instant groups, quick pick ups for heroics... zero reason to be stressed or frustrated as things get rolling.

 

It is surprising how quickly that can change.

 

So me and my pocket medic end up in a PUG for HM FE. No big deal, been there done thought bought the t-shirt (I am at that point wearing Columi War Leader Body and sporting the Throne Breaker title)

 

We then proceed to realize that our Sith Warrior DPS... is ignoring every bit of strategy on basically every boss.

 

Group wants me to pull Tregg off the bridge so I can tank against the wall and they have room to move when he jumps.... Warrior attacks Tregg Mid pull and ends up sandwiched between Tregg and the adds on the bridge he should have been burning down.

 

He blames me for "losing Tregg", and the Medic for "letting him die"

 

We say DPS on Turret so the medic can move around between them and me as I tank Jindo.... he chases Jindo like a chicken with his head cut off and eats AoE damage while out of range of the Medic as I am dodging said AoE.

 

He blames me again saying I "lost hate" when I was force charging out of the AoE he was running into... because it was on me.... and again blames the medic for "not healing him" even though he was out of range.

 

We explain to stay off the glowing blue war droid on A-14 and B-16... he does not bother to watch for which one is shielded.... but I manage to hold hate anyway and the medic keeps him up despite his ignorance.

 

We get to HK-47, I explain the fight in detail.... and he promptly ignores the turrets and refuses to AoE when I am CCed... instead he tries to run to the other side of the platform. Of course HK eventually gets loose, poison hits, people die, and the inevitable wipe occurs.

 

So I explain again, in detail... and he again ignores every bit of strategy explained

 

In whispers the sorcerer says they would have already vote kicked him, I tell the medic.... he is vote kicked

 

I get whispers demanding to know why he was kicked. I calmly explain that he was not following strategy and it had caused several wipes on HK.... He of course again blames Me (even though since I was CCed I could not exactly AoE in time to catch HK) and everyone else for "missing" even though he never even tried to land Smash or use Perdition.

 

All this as I am also apologizing to the resulting Sorcerer for the delay.

 

We get a different Warrior, this one uses Perdition.... HK goes down first try... we proceed to take Malgus no issue.

 

So yes I am with you OP, and I feel your pain. Even the most patient of Tanks or Medics can only deal with so much before they either have to step away... or boot someone from group.

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To be fair, having done a lot of healing over the years, healers take this same kind of abuse. I've healed my butt off trying to keep up stupid dps that stand in stuff and pull off tanks only to be insulted and booted. A guildy of mine who heals our HM EC/TFB Operations got booted out of a Group finder SM Karraga's Palace and called "the worst healer ever" because he couldn't heal stupid.

 

Tanks probably do have it worse though because the group generally looks to them to know what to do and lead the group around.

 

Anyway, there are some kinds of people that just want to pick someone to blame for failure - usually the one at fault is the one dishing it out.

 

I get that. For a couple years through WOW: BC, my main was a priest healer. I was always a great priest healer enough to raid with the top raiding guild on the realm at the time, but you wouldn't believe the s*** that came out in party chat if I made the tiniest mistake with the wrong person in the group. Back in vanilla I was on a Baron run with a rogue who thought he could tank mobs himself and made it a point to rip mobs off the tank or run ahead and pull more. After a while I just let him fend for himself and started only using Renew on him. He didn't get it. We completed the run and the Baron died. The rogue was dead before the boss because he was sponging and I had to keep the tank up instead of him, but we pulled it off. He got p***** in party chat and called me out for not healing him. I fired back that the tank gets priority for healing over you, if you want heals roll a tank and until then, shut it. There was actually more to the rant than that but it was a pretty fantastic serving. Suffice to say, everyone in the group except him LOL'ed and he got REAL quiet after that.

 

Still, back when I healed in WoW, I took way more s*** than I ever have in an MMO even when I played flawlessly. Including being a very longtime tank, and occassional DPS. It's true, healing tends to be blamed first. We both get abused, and even DPS get abused sometimes too. I have very rarely gotten BS as a tank though. Last night was an exception. But we're all just part of the group. Without any of the 3 roles, it doesn't really work. And that gets lost on a great many people.

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Tionese is perfectly fine for Battle of Ilum hardmode, you'd be plain crazy to waste credits augmenting tionese gear. I'm not saying he's a good tank by any means, for all I know he could have been NOT using a shield or tank stance or even been specced into tanking properly, but tionese gear is MORE then sufficient for hardmode flashpoints minus LI HM which is tuned for Columi

 

If you dont know the fights (which he didnt. Was obvious when he complained about being stunned when the fight mechanic is to stun EVERYONE at that part of phase) and wasnt willing to learn (or run past) then he should at least be geared to make up for his short comings imo.

 

And yeah, I see no waste in augmenting Tionesse as you can just pull mods and put in columi/rakata/black hole/ campaign mods when you get them

 

Or you could pay the 30k for the new armor peice as 30k is chump change!

 

A GOOD PLAYER can do Hard Modes in Tionesse

A POORLY SKILLED PLAYER can not.

Not elitist or rude, just the truth.

When your skill isnt to the point required, you do other things to increase survivability

 

When I was learning EC, EV, KP (my guild pushed me right into hardmode so I skipped sm completely) I stacked endurance to just under 23k to increase my sages survivability until I could get comfortable with the different ops.

Now my sage runs with 20k health and has willpower stacked over 2k

Because I no longer need the extra health to survive

Heck if I could get hps down to 18.5 k and stack anouther 1.5k between power and willpower I would

But early on I stacked end for extra survivability (and it worked, I multiple times didnt make it to right spot when floor dropped at SOA and multiple times I landed a level down with 1k health (the endurance made the difference). Now I dont miss the floor drops and dont need the extra health.

Augments on Tionesse is NOT a waste if your dieing to fast.

 

And yeah, he might of been one of those "I tank better in DPS stance".

Wish I could say I havent seen that before from PUGs but id be lieing.

Its become so common its become an ongoing punch line in guild chat.

 

That and mocking the imp that told one of my guildies doing hm Black Talon

"go dark or I vote kick you"

Appearently he wasnt joking and reinforced it a number of times after that with threats about vote kick for slow space baring and choosing lightside choices.

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My advice is don't tank in lfg. Only go with guild members. You shouldn't see people spec incorrectly, especially the healer. Finally, if you can't finish the instance for whatever reason other more experience guild members are happy to help. Until you are over geared I wouldn't bother with lfg. People in lfg only want geared tanks. Based on my WoW experience people only want geared tanks in lfg. People would even leave if the tank is not geared assuming the queues aren't too long like 10 minutes or so.
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next time m8, some scrub of a healer *****es you out for being a lousy tank, tell the dweeb to go play Eve Online and go run level 4 missions without a tank. The object of the tank is to have all the aggro while the dpsers jack the enemies up. And for all those so-called healers, sthu and heal everyone so they can kick butt, otherwise, I 'd let them attack your sorry butt and kill you epicly. it takes a team to win in an op, not one single person.
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I usually am a tank in most cases. I always give out a thank you or good job the the dps and healers. I also offer tips to make things smoother. But I have never, ever been thanked for tanking. I pride myself of controlling the mobs and protecting healers. But no thank yous.
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To quote an ancient song of my people, "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have..The Facts of LFG"

 

After a break from the game I've dusted off my shadow tank and dove into HM FPs with my shiney free tionesse gear + some black hole/daily comm stuff I had grinded out earlier and so far the experience has been pretty positive. I've tanked in other games and have always been mindful of mitigating damage so I use all my stuns, defensive cds, debuffs and of course i make sure to keep my poop shield up; so far I haven't had any issues with taking too much damage.

 

But my one really negative experience was when I guarded a dps at the start of the FP and the healer sent me the most vile of whispers. Accusing me of buying my toon, not knowing my class and various other curse-filled statements. And of course he promptly put me on ignore. He didn't give me a chance to explain that I guard dps in FPs so they can run around wily-nily and shred non elites with little concern for threat. And that the healer should take little to no damage if I am doing my job right. I was shocked, we had a good laugh about it in group chat and a few minutes later another healer filled in. Still, it was bizzarre how mad this bro got.

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