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Following the server mergers, can we please now have objective-based ranked?

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Following the server mergers, can we please now have objective-based ranked?

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SlightlySychotic
11.18.2017 , 08:06 PM | #1
I've long been a proponent of this. In the past it's seemed to have a lot of support and there's never really been much of an argument against it outside of some fairly weak excuses. One of the better excuses, however, was that the player base on individual servers wasn't large enough to support it. Over the past year, I haven't really been able to disagree with this point. However, now that the servers have been merged I feel that this point no longer bears merit and it's time to revisit the subject.

Put simply, I feel like ranked arenas have been nothing short of a failure. The only metrics by which they could be said to have succeeded are metrics that the old 8v8 system was never afforded: primarily, a solo queue. Arenas were also sold on the premise that they would be easier to balance. Four years later, it's become crystal clear that this couldn't be further from the truth: at no point have arenas ever been close to balanced and attempting to do so only creates gross imbalance elsewhere. Simply put, it's time to try something else.

What I propose is adding objective 8v8 war zones to the solo queue. I have, in the past, suggested adding them to the 4v4 queue as well but the general consensus is that group players don't want that. If, for reasons I am unclear, that isn't feasible then I still think it would be preferable to remove the solo arena queue and replace it with a solo objective queue.
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DavidAtkinson
11.19.2017 , 12:10 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by SlightlySychotic View Post
I've long been a proponent of this. In the past it's seemed to have a lot of support and there's never really been much of an argument against it outside of some fairly weak excuses. One of the better excuses, however, was that the player base on individual servers wasn't large enough to support it. Over the past year, I haven't really been able to disagree with this point. However, now that the servers have been merged I feel that this point no longer bears merit and it's time to revisit the subject.

Put simply, I feel like ranked arenas have been nothing short of a failure. The only metrics by which they could be said to have succeeded are metrics that the old 8v8 system was never afforded: primarily, a solo queue. Arenas were also sold on the premise that they would be easier to balance. Four years later, it's become crystal clear that this couldn't be further from the truth: at no point have arenas ever been close to balanced and attempting to do so only creates gross imbalance elsewhere. Simply put, it's time to try something else.

What I propose is adding objective 8v8 war zones to the solo queue. I have, in the past, suggested adding them to the 4v4 queue as well but the general consensus is that group players don't want that. If, for reasons I am unclear, that isn't feasible then I still think it would be preferable to remove the solo arena queue and replace it with a solo objective queue.
I am the biggest fan of 8vs8 ranked, I've even opened threads about why adding 8vs8 ranked would be better, BUT.. if you actually sit down and think it over, you will realize that it is a bad idea.

Reasons ?

1. PVP-ers hate objectives, they want killing and ganking

2. The population is still low for it

3. The engine is not good, it wouldn't handle it very well

4. Imagine what would happen if 2 teams que, match starts and the other side becomes the obvious loser ? Do you think anyone would stay in that match ? People rage quit( in regs) in seconds after other team gained an advantage. How much worse would it be in ranked 8vs8 ?

5. How would you rate players ? Based on what ? You couldn't rate them based on win/loss because 8vs8 is a more complex game mode.

It wouldn't work..

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xDaytona
11.19.2017 , 05:28 AM | #3
if they bring 8v8 ranked back,id still leave every odessen warzone.
also teamranked would be totaly dead,why should ppl list with 8 persons while 4v4 isnt even popping that often?

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Draqsko
11.19.2017 , 05:47 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidAtkinson View Post
I am the biggest fan of 8vs8 ranked, I've even opened threads about why adding 8vs8 ranked would be better, BUT.. if you actually sit down and think it over, you will realize that it is a bad idea.

Reasons ?

1. PVP-ers hate objectives, they want killing and ganking

2. The population is still low for it

3. The engine is not good, it wouldn't handle it very well

4. Imagine what would happen if 2 teams que, match starts and the other side becomes the obvious loser ? Do you think anyone would stay in that match ? People rage quit( in regs) in seconds after other team gained an advantage. How much worse would it be in ranked 8vs8 ?

5. How would you rate players ? Based on what ? You couldn't rate them based on win/loss because 8vs8 is a more complex game mode.

It wouldn't work..
Actually it did work.

1. Most good Pvpers play objectives over anything else, not sure where you get they don't play objectives.

2. Population is no lower than on Jung Ma before 2.4 when we used to have an active 8v8 ranked scene. You might actually get people back who'd rather do objective style ranked again.

3. You already run 8v8 warzones, it's no different than that, engine won't suddenly perform worse because you are keeping track of ELO.

4. Yes they would stay in that match because losing has less ELO loss than leaving. What usually happens is the top teams are left without matches as no one wants to queue with them in the queue, and once they log everyone starts queuing. Sort of like what happens now with team 4v4s.

5. Same way you rate players now since SWTOR doesn't have 1v1s. There's no difference in rating system between 4v4 and 8v8.

Of course the whole reason why they won't do it, and why they removed ranked 8v8 in the first place is because most people would rather play ranked 8v8 than arenas. If they left 8v8s in, ranked arenas probably would have been a total flop out of the gate and after spending all that money and time developing it, they needed it to succeed to justify it.

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Coloneli
11.19.2017 , 07:30 AM | #5
Dcds are too strong you can already feel it in 4v4, 8v8 would be a **** show with the expection of huttball perhaps

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kissingaiur
11.19.2017 , 07:48 AM | #6
Objective ranked died for a good reason. It wouldn't work in the current state of the game where the engine can barely keep up as it is. There is also a other huge factors that would make it cancer: health pools huge, dcds are insane and everyone has a leaps/teleports. The game is extremely different from 1.0 and 2.0. It won't work, that ship has sailed, time to move on.

If anything you guys should be calling for matchmaking. That could actually be a possibility and have large impacts in the quality of the game.
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kukumburr
11.19.2017 , 09:15 AM | #7
Why on earth wouldn't the engine be able to handle it? It would be absolutely no different from the current 8v8 unranked as far as taxing the engine. Ranked 8v8 absolutely could work again, the meta would be different from how it was back in the day but that wouldn't somehow make it unplayable.

Ranked 8v8 was some of the most fun I've ever had in the game but I'm not sure having both 8v8 ranked and 4v4 ranked would work that well. Solo queues for ranked 8v8 would be interesting but also I could see them being really frustrating. Having a team you knew and being able to communicate on the fly was pretty important.

I suppose if nothing else it'd get us actual matchmaking and better rewards for doing 8v8 so I'd probably still enjoy it. I do think it's a bit of a shame 4v4 became ranked instead of 8v8 even though I know why they had to do it. 8v8 was so much more exciting and you could actually fit some non-FOTM classes on your team and still do well.

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omaan
11.19.2017 , 09:41 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by SlightlySychotic View Post
I've long been a proponent of this. In the past it's seemed to have a lot of support and there's never really been much of an argument against it outside of some fairly weak excuses. One of the better excuses, however, was that the player base on individual servers wasn't large enough to support it. Over the past year, I haven't really been able to disagree with this point. However, now that the servers have been merged I feel that this point no longer bears merit and it's time to revisit the subject.

Put simply, I feel like ranked arenas have been nothing short of a failure. The only metrics by which they could be said to have succeeded are metrics that the old 8v8 system was never afforded: primarily, a solo queue. Arenas were also sold on the premise that they would be easier to balance. Four years later, it's become crystal clear that this couldn't be further from the truth: at no point have arenas ever been close to balanced and attempting to do so only creates gross imbalance elsewhere. Simply put, it's time to try something else.

What I propose is adding objective 8v8 war zones to the solo queue. I have, in the past, suggested adding them to the 4v4 queue as well but the general consensus is that group players don't want that. If, for reasons I am unclear, that isn't feasible then I still think it would be preferable to remove the solo arena queue and replace it with a solo objective queue.
We have regs for obejctives and ranked for KILLING. End of discussion. What you propose is make everything objective-based but in this case where people will zerg and kill? Esp considering that Open world pvp is dead in this game lol. Besides, swtor's engine is a joke, i always see people Dsync in huttball games while playing operstives/sins with using rolls/speed/close-up[ abilities at the same time. It's far beyond fair,and will cause much flaming if it was ranked

1/10 for stupid suggestion.

HOWEVER, what i think is that solo ranked needs real changes. Healers are not queueing it so most of the fights are dps vs dps or dps vs tanks which makes some specs like arsenal merc, conc oper, engi sniper much more viable for ranked than other classes which are depending on healers pretty much. They need to do something with it since domination of 2-3 specs is unaccaptable.

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Icykill_
11.19.2017 , 10:35 AM | #9
Bring back 8man Ranked... but make the queue operate the same as the reg queue does... no team queue
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zhradik
11.19.2017 , 10:40 AM | #10
playing competetive pvp with 15 fps is not ok
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