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Skank/Shank tanks still OP in dps gear

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Skank/Shank tanks still OP in dps gear

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rlionherz
11.15.2017 , 05:10 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by supertimtaf View Post
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The fun part, like I said earlier on another post, is that they replaced the skill tree with Discipline Path to avoid multi-spec, who where completely OP at the time. But with the incoming changes and the lack of overall improvement to the gameplay, players are looking more and more at those new hybrid class, who are definitely more interesting to play than the junk BW is trying to make us play.
Funny how we're going back to this old problem, because the class balance team do not play their game. Isn't it ?
damn right.
come on BW, it was such a awful freaking idea to make DWT possible! thats too much sand laying around in the themepark
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supertimtaf
11.15.2017 , 06:19 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by rlionherz View Post
damn right.
come on BW, it was such a awful freaking idea to make DWT possible! thats too much sand laying around in the themepark
The idea could be interesting if tank ability (taunt/guard) were more effective as a tank, and if melee dps weren't so quick at dying too.
Tanks are fine in terms of damage, the issue here is dps who deals too few/cannot take enough and the healers who are wat too slow or weak to keep them alive.
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11.15.2017 , 09:27 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Icykill_ View Post
Common Bioware... you nerfed every spec into the ground.., but skank tanks can still do 6-8 mil in pvp and not die

I’m not asking you to nerf their abilities or their proper dps output in while in tanking gear (which is how you balance the numbers internally).... but there needs to be something done to change this situation of them stacking dps gear...

The only solution I can think of that doesn’t require ability Nerfs is a debuff if they wear dps gear... this should work like Bolster used to when we had expertise.., if the tank goes over a certain amount of stats... they lose something else like health or power... this would stop them from stacking crit and power at the expense of defence and shield

I know this will be controversial for all those people using these dps builds... but if you want to dps... change spec... or learn to tank
Agree, that this option exists and is so OP compared to real tanks is a joke to begin with - it always was. Most people in pvp are not even aware and cluelessly comapre "cheat" tanks dps to real tanks dps.
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11.15.2017 , 10:19 AM | #24
I took my real tank into warzones for the first time in years over the weekend. It was pretty sad. I never died, but not because tanks are so awesome but because I only tickle people so they ignore me. So I toss out my taunts and guard and grapple. I could run a DPS spec and still do those things. I could wear DPS gear (skank) and get a better return. BW needs to come up with a reason to be an actual tank in PvP. That would help with the skank tank issue.
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Qouivandes
11.15.2017 , 10:28 AM | #25
I was talking about the title and then my experience, albeit minor, with Tanking in PvP. overall, i do not see an issue here. you have a player, and this is based off just the replies in this thread, that tends to get beaten down while in a dps spec and in dps gear. so, they jump over to the tank spec for a bit more survival. they use dps gear for the advantage it provides in both damage output and complements their spec. why do they do this? as kendra noted, there is little use in using actual tank gear.

so I ask: what exactly is the problem? is it that they can survive a bit longer and put out decent to good damage (and in some cases, excellent damage)? Is it that you take issue that they dont conform to what you want a certain spec to do?

to gain a better perspective, i will need to take my jugg and start setting him up to be a tank in dps gear. Ill read up on the guides, set up my keys, and see what i can figure out. my guardian is already in dps spec with pve dps gear so i will have something to compare it towards. and, if i find that i can survive longer and put out damage to help my team...then i would definitely re-evaluate my current gearing and spec. it just seems that some folks have determined a way to increase their enjoyment of PvP and others are a bit upset.

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11.15.2017 , 10:43 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by RikuvonDrake View Post
With defensive stats such as defence, absorb and shield being totally useless in PvP..... however with heavy defensive capabilities they often take a long time to kill.
I have one of these "skank tanks" so I understand how they work. I don't need an explanation. I'm just saying that explanation can easily confuse people.

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omaan
11.15.2017 , 11:04 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Icykill_ View Post
Common Bioware... you nerfed every spec into the ground.., but skank tanks can still do 6-8 mil in pvp and not die

I’m not asking you to nerf their abilities or their proper dps output in while in tanking gear (which is how you balance the numbers internally).... but there needs to be something done to change this situation of them stacking dps gear...

The only solution I can think of that doesn’t require ability Nerfs is a debuff if they wear dps gear... this should work like Bolster used to when we had expertise.., if the tank goes over a certain amount of stats... they lose something else like health or power... this would stop them from stacking crit and power at the expense of defence and shield

I know this will be controversial for all those people using these dps builds... but if you want to dps... change spec... or learn to tank
thats one of the main problems in this game.... skank-tanks musnt even exist in mmo lol. A spec which can dps as much as dps spec, but having pretty good defense, AND being able to guard group members is a complete JOKE and nonsesense. Why do we need dps specs then??? they die fast lol and doing slightly more dps than skank-tanks. This ruins pvp overall....

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supertimtaf
11.15.2017 , 11:36 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Qouivandes View Post
I was talking about the title and then my experience, albeit minor, with Tanking in PvP. overall, i do not see an issue here. you have a player, and this is based off just the replies in this thread, that tends to get beaten down while in a dps spec and in dps gear. so, they jump over to the tank spec for a bit more survival. they use dps gear for the advantage it provides in both damage output and complements their spec. why do they do this? as kendra noted, there is little use in using actual tank gear.

so I ask: what exactly is the problem? is it that they can survive a bit longer and put out decent to good damage (and in some cases, excellent damage)? Is it that you take issue that they dont conform to what you want a certain spec to do?
The issue is that they perform better than their dps counterpart They last way longer which allows them to be more powerfull on the long term.
Play a dps Powertech in warzone, you'll understand why skank are so appealing
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Qouivandes
11.15.2017 , 11:42 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by supertimtaf View Post
The issue is that they perform better than their dps counterpart They last way longer which allows them to be more powerfull on the long term.
Play a dps Powertech in warzone, you'll understand why skank are so appealing
unfortunately, i dont have a powertech, but will see what i can figure out on my dormant jugg (thank you mirror class). i used to enjoy PvP a long while ago, but had not played it in a long time. i have recently jumped back in, but quickly get squashed. if i can adjust my equipment to enable me to survive longer and do enough dps to help my team then im all for doing just that. i get tired of chasing healers, anyway.
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11.15.2017 , 12:04 PM | #30
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Maybe I should try it.

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