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Server Merge Discussion Thread
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DarkSaberMaster
06.05.2017 , 03:30 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSaberMaster View Post
Just merge them already. There is no reason to keep pretending that these dead servers are full of life and thriving. Put an end to them and merge them.
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06.05.2017 , 03:50 PM | #102
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2) meh, I would also be in favor of a Legacy name change, BUT, only if the requested expansion to the Ignore system was done and in effect going forward. (see REQ: Ignore (update) and BAN (implement)) here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=920385
I don't see why legacy names would be a problem. It has been ages and ages since they removed the same-server uniqueness restriction on legacy names. I mean like, you know, YEARS. You could in theory have a server where *all* the legacies have the same name.
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06.05.2017 , 04:08 PM | #103
The idea of a server merge is a delicate matter which needs consideration.

Every char has a character cap of 390 chars account wide with 52 chars per server. So depending on how you many servers you put into one mega server you need to add 52 chars per server onto the server cap of an account up to that 390 chars. You will end with players who can and will dominate the GTN in a way you have never even seen before. It would effectively eliminate every chance of a player with 8 chars (which might be the majority, you have the numbers I only have my observation of players in my guilds) from taking any meaningfull part in the economy. Players with that many chars dominate and play the game on a complete different level as the majority of the "merge server" crowd. It is already a big problem as you devs surely know, but then it would be way worse. You also have to face the problems with the storage for the cartel coin stuff you implemented with DvL event. It also must be doubled, trippled, quadrupled depending on how many servers you merge.

Also it is questionable that you can even merge the servers especially after that moving of the servers last month. If it's true that the devs fear for the stability of the servers with every char increase (I have read the old topics, it is their statement not mine, but I dont see a reason you devy would lie) then we have an effective doubling, trippling, quadrupleing aso. of databank space. People much more intelligent in those things than me said, that such an increase of datavolume might end very bad. Plus as we all see and experience lags often enough in game, I would consider that point by at least asking myself if it's worth the amount of time/commitment to first: merge the servers and second: make the game stable enough to let us play. If that cant be assured in a reasonable time like right away when the server merge is done my vote goes to a clear: No Sirs please not, focus on content not on technical issues.

Third communities are different, players are different. A little anecdotical story: As the majority of players who participate on those topics know I have spread myself on several servers with several communities. For example one of my legacy is on TOFN, a server said dead. The guilds there established an alliance of guilds to get things done. Entry level for newer/returning players is, of course, high. They must be online in the spot where the recruiters are (what varies and is most of the time not the fleet). Still I was withness as a player once spoke on how much he would liked to be merged with TRE. It didn't ended to well for him, I actually felt bad for the poor guy. The majority of response was "for gods sake we dont want to be merged, TRE is toxic, the peeps cant play PvP there, it is full of bads" aso. It matches with the experience I made with one of my guilds. They were active on TOFN, they went to TRE for faster pops, the guild died within a month (around 50 active accounts) . Now two guys are back on TOFN and enjoy the game again on the tiny server and not the big one. So a merge might lead to another mass exodus like after merge 1 and 2. You have the numbers at your disposal. You devs know that reintegration into a new server is exhausting and not going without pain. And to the players in that topic, save me the stories of how the first two mergers saved the game. SWTOR was younger, new players came in masses the losses could be replaced, which the veterans of those days seem to forget. Of the old players from "Flames of the Crucible" 2 players of my friendslist stayed playing and "Bao-Dur" was me alone. Dont get me even started on the problems and handling of the first two mergers. If handled again this way, my vote is "hell no".

I am strictly against server merges when they put one playstyle against another playstyle. The RP crowd deserves as much attention and protection as the raiders and PvPers. They have even on their own servers a bad time due too many tools in game. In no way I see them transfered into a PvE server or Megaserver without a heavily moderated RP instance (and honestly who want to RP with big brother looking over your shoulder all the time?). If you devs cant provide such an environment, hands away from the RP servers! We cant afford to lose those players from the game.

I am also against a server merger when they would destroy the possessions of the players paid with RL money, aka cartel coins. Renaming of characters especially on those who had to rename in the first mergers, guild names, guild ship names, the with cartel coins bought strongholds, outfits, items in the packs, whatever else is paid with money must be sacrosanct or people will stop buying from the CM. Those items need a guarantee as long as the game is running because such things are bought on money plus trust. I am no dreamer beliving you work in a charity. You need to earn money and any thing which cuts into CM will be bad for you and with it for us (symbiotic circle from Episode 1 comes to mind )

If of course you devs worked secretly on a way to overcome the problems of mergers here and in any other topic posted, then I am all open to hear about your solution. At the current status quo though my vote would go to a "No to server merger as the silent majority in game (those who play the game instead of the forum) will lose too much in the process. They are save and quick in their ques because they are integrated in their server communities which they picked. They get their stuff done (operations, PvP even when highly organised) and those who are not integrated by whatever reason/choice can relatively easy switch the server to something more at their likeing."

I would prefer other solutions:
- more content for all (right now more focus on group than story, they can replay KotFE and KotET more easily than PvP and raiders)
- cross faction PvP and if possible opses/FPs/uprisings (besides the story relevant one like Foundry, Boarding Party, Taral V, Maelstrom Prison and the 4 ones with Korriban/Tython topic for the RPers)
- every three months a free char transfer bound by account for those who feel they are stuck so they can play their favourite char
- easier way for guilds to recruit players, look at EQ 2 for example (first reduces fleet spam, second make it easier for newer players to end quickly within a team)

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Andryah
06.05.2017 , 04:16 PM | #104
I know they have stated that they cannot do cross-server... but I would like to see them reconfirm this at this point in time.

Why?

Because as time passes, they may in fact have better code and hardware to enable this.

Fundamentally, it could be implemented by creating a neutral group instance on a central server, where they port players that are queued, and then when the instance is complete, the characters revert back to their home server location along with their winnings. Of course they also have to have additional wiring for enabling cross server queing... while the players in queue continue to do whatever on their home server.. and this is probably where the real issues are for the studio.

We can all speculate, demand, throw tantrums, etc.... but at the end of the day.... we wait on the studio for this.
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06.05.2017 , 04:17 PM | #105
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  • Merge West Coast into one server, and East coast into one server
  • Merge all EU servers into one.
  • Introduce language tabs for German and French in the EU server
  • For the people that only want to play with people of their preferred language, add a language preference option in group finder and warzone group finder.
  • Add a Roleplay chat tab and instance, like the pvp instances
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fushnchips
06.05.2017 , 04:20 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by GoldSting View Post
I'd rather they merge servers by type rather than region. Have six total servers:
US RP
US PVE
US PVP
EU RP
EU PVE
EU PVP
lol look at the current state of US PVP servers sorry but this will never work
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fushnchips
06.05.2017 , 04:21 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by mmmbuddah View Post
  • Merge West Coast into one server, and East coast into one server
  • Merge all EU servers into one.
  • Introduce language tabs for German and French in the EU server
  • For the people that only want to play with people of their preferred language, add a language preference option in group finder and warzone group finder.
So why not merge all US into one server you seem to be asking that the EU players have one server so what's the difference ?
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casirabit
06.05.2017 , 04:25 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
Thats pretty much what the last server merge did! That is still too many servers, especially considering the changes they made to server PvP a while ago. In my opinion the rp community is currently not big enough in swtor to warrant their own server. Maybe the devs could make an rp instance like they did with pvp.
Again, with this NO. It will not work because of idiots that will grief and troll rp and nothing there to stop them. Grief a pvp player, she kills you. Grief a rp player on an instance nothing can be done to stop it. Ebon Hawk is a rp server and we do fine so the comment not having enough to warrant a server is not entirely true.
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mmmbuddah
06.05.2017 , 04:26 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by fushnchips View Post
So why not merge all US into one server you seem to be asking that the EU players have one server so what's the difference ?
Latency. If they were to merge all US servers into one, the datacenters should be moved to Omaha or somewhere dead center in the US.
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casirabit
06.05.2017 , 04:27 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by mmmbuddah View Post
  • Add a Roleplay chat tab and instance, like the pvp instances

NO. It will not work because of idiots that will grief and troll rp and nothing there to stop them. Grief a pvp player, she kills you. Grief a rp player on an instance nothing can be done to stop it.
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