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Has anyone tested the Alacrity break points? Are they no longer needed?

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Has anyone tested the Alacrity break points? Are they no longer needed?

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TrixxieTriss
09.30.2019 , 03:44 AM | #1
I’ve notice that once again it doesn’t “feel” like you need to have alacrity set to use specific break points to get 1.4, 1.3 or 1.2 GCD. Yes you still need them to be exactly at those, but it seems the 0.1 decimal points aren’t rounding up or down anymore.
As an example, if you have an activation time of 18 with zero alacrity and 17.7 with 1.15% alacrity, it seems to actually activate correctly.
I could be completely wrong, but has any of our number crunching members tested this out yet?

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dipstik
09.30.2019 , 01:01 PM | #2
i thought it was only instant abilities that were affected by a floor function rounding of gcd...

channels and activations etc should reflect alacrity to .01 seconds..

you should be able to test with diagnostic scan and kolto probe and compare apm at different alacrity levels. you should be able to get a good estimate based on around 30 activations of each ability at each alacrity level.

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phalczen
09.30.2019 , 02:38 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Psyotic View Post
That’s not what Trixxie is asking. She is asking if the GCD is actually still rounded up, or if it is to three significant digits instead of two like on LIVE.
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TrixxieTriss
09.30.2019 , 08:57 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by phalczen View Post
That’s not what Trixxie is asking. She is asking if the GCD is actually still rounded up, or if it is to three significant digits instead of two like on LIVE.
Pretty much.

I have a feeling the rounding has been entirely removed.

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ottffsse
09.30.2019 , 09:03 PM | #6
Only way to make sure is test on a instant hit abilitiy class like deception or concealment or auto attack dummy for many many minutes straight which is tedious to do. If channeling abilities were rounded/ affected they were always so in more minute steps...probably at .01 steps instead of .1 steps.

1.3 GCD is not realistic for dps with limited tertiary stats in 6.0 anyways except for lightning, maybe carnage and arsenal merc.
ref http://www.swtor.com/r/gFbhFZ Melisen / Sage Zrella / Sorc

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TrixxieTriss
09.30.2019 , 09:12 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by ottffsse View Post
Only way to make sure is test on a instant hit abilitiy class like deception or concealment or auto attack dummy for many many minutes straight which is tedious to do. If channeling abilities were rounded/ affected they were always so in more minute steps...probably at .01 steps instead of .1 steps.

1.3 GCD is not realistic for dps with limited tertiary stats in 6.0 anyways except for lightning, maybe carnage and arsenal merc.
You still take a massive hit in damage with lightning or arsenal because you lose so much crit to get there,
I guess you could stack Augments, but I didn’t bring any kits over to test it out.

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KhazadSanci
09.30.2019 , 11:29 PM | #8
Haven't tested on the most recent PTS patch, so more testing may be needed, but as of a patch or two ago, the GCD appeared to still round up to the nearest tenth of a second.

Google sheet for testing

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Hawkebatt
10.01.2019 , 12:14 AM | #9
I have 1307 Alacrity on one of my sets and my cast times are 1.39 seconds.
Crit at 3161 which gives 42./13% and 69.41%
Accuracy at 1612 110.1%
3258 gives you 15.55% alacrity but only 1147 crit at 27.2 and 59.75%
Haven't tried to get any closer to the threshold
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dipstik
10.01.2019 , 11:41 AM | #10
here are results for gcd casts. would be nice to have this data for channels (diagnostic scan/ lightning strike)

using data from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1526455495

summary:
https://pasteboard.co/IzZn0PG.png


Two-Sample T-Test and CI: 0, 862

Two-sample T for 0 vs 862

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038


Difference = mu (0) - mu (862)
Estimate for difference: 0.0478
95% CI for difference: (0.0233, 0.0722)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 4.04 P-Value = 0.001 DF = 23


Boxplot of 0, 862


Two-Sample T-Test and CI: 0, 755

Two-sample T for 0 vs 755

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
755 21 1.50029 0.00901 0.0020


Difference = mu (0) - mu (755)
Estimate for difference: 0.0463
95% CI for difference: (0.0226, 0.0699)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 4.08 P-Value = 0.001 DF = 20


Boxplot of 0, 755


Two-Sample T-Test and CI: 0, 1293

Two-sample T for 0 vs 1293

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
1293 22 1.4120 0.0366 0.0078


Difference = mu (0) - mu (1293)
Estimate for difference: 0.1346
95% CI for difference: (0.1069, 0.1623)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 9.88 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 34

Two-Sample T-Test and CI: 0, 1294

Two-sample T for 0 vs 1294

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
1294 22 1.4133 0.0341 0.0073


Difference = mu (0) - mu (1294)
Estimate for difference: 0.1333
95% CI for difference: (0.1062, 0.1604)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 10.00 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 33

Two-sample T for 0 vs 1724

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
1724 22 1.4030 0.0213 0.0045


Difference = mu (0) - mu (1724)
Estimate for difference: 0.1435
95% CI for difference: (0.1187, 0.1683)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 11.90 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 25

Two-sample T for 0 vs 2155

N Mean StDev SE Mean
0 20 1.5465 0.0500 0.011
2155 22 1.4012 0.0222 0.0047


Difference = mu (0) - mu (2155)
Estimate for difference: 0.1453
95% CI for difference: (0.1203, 0.1703)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 11.97 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 25

Two-sample T for 862 vs 755

N Mean StDev SE Mean
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038
755 21 1.50029 0.00901 0.0020


Difference = mu (862) - mu (755)
Estimate for difference: -0.00149
95% CI for difference: (-0.01027, 0.00730)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = -0.35 P-Value = 0.732 DF = 28

Two-sample T for 862 vs 1293

N Mean StDev SE Mean
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038
1293 22 1.4120 0.0366 0.0078


Difference = mu (862) - mu (1293)
Estimate for difference: 0.08685
95% CI for difference: (0.06912, 0.10457)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 10.01 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 30

Two-sample T for 862 vs 1724

N Mean StDev SE Mean
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038
1724 22 1.4030 0.0213 0.0045


Difference = mu (862) - mu (1724)
Estimate for difference: 0.09575
95% CI for difference: (0.08378, 0.10773)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 16.17 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 39

Two-sample T for 862 vs 2155

N Mean StDev SE Mean
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038
2155 22 1.4012 0.0222 0.0047


Difference = mu (862) - mu (2155)
Estimate for difference: 0.09757
95% CI for difference: (0.08527, 0.10988)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 16.05 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 38

Two-sample T for 862 vs 3017

N Mean StDev SE Mean
862 20 1.4988 0.0170 0.0038
3017 22 1.3983 0.0139 0.0030


Difference = mu (862) - mu (3017)
Estimate for difference: 0.10048
95% CI for difference: (0.09070, 0.11027)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 20.82 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 36


Two-sample T for 1293 vs 3017

N Mean StDev SE Mean
1293 22 1.4120 0.0366 0.0078
3017 22 1.3983 0.0139 0.0030


Difference = mu (1293) - mu (3017)
Estimate for difference: 0.01364
95% CI for difference: (-0.00350, 0.03078)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 1.64 P-Value = 0.114 DF = 26

Two-sample T for 1724 vs 3017

N Mean StDev SE Mean
1724 22 1.4030 0.0213 0.0045
3017 22 1.3983 0.0139 0.0030


Difference = mu (1724) - mu (3017)
Estimate for difference: 0.00473
95% CI for difference: (-0.00625, 0.01571)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 0.87 P-Value = 0.388 DF = 36

Two-sample T for 2155 vs 3017

N Mean StDev SE Mean
2155 22 1.4012 0.0222 0.0047
3017 22 1.3983 0.0139 0.0030


Difference = mu (2155) - mu (3017)
Estimate for difference: 0.00291
95% CI for difference: (-0.00843, 0.01425)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 0.52 P-Value = 0.606 DF = 35

Two-sample T for 2155 vs 3448

N Mean StDev SE Mean
2155 22 1.4012 0.0222 0.0047
3448 23 1.3080 0.0270 0.0056


Difference = mu (2155) - mu (3448)
Estimate for difference: 0.09327
95% CI for difference: (0.07843, 0.10811)
T-Test of difference = 0 (vs not =): T-Value = 12.68 P-Value = 0.000 DF = 42