Good evening my fellow Juggernauts. I've been slowly leveling my own juggernaut with the intention of wanting to partake in WZ's and Rated WZ's as my primary goal end game. I've been experimenting with talent builds since the start of 2.0 and have considered a 11/35/0 buid that does NOT include Shatter. I have not had the opportunity to use Shatter yet due to my level and felt I have been dealing a good amount of damage already with force scream and ravage already.

The purpose of this build is to primariy be in Shien Form and provide a good amount of damage, but also being able to switch on a whim to Soresu Form for additional survivability when defending nodes in Aldeeran or Gates in Voidstar, while also putting on guard on healers.

What I am wondering is whether this build would benefit a Rated WZ group. I know my survivability is not nearly as good as full Immortal and my DPS wouldn't be as strong as it is with Shatter, but would it be a deal breaker? Here is the build: http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/juggernaut/227/?build=023020120010000000000000000000000321002221210130212203200300000000000000000000000000000000000000&ver=20

Thanks for your feedback.

'Eh, what ever floats yer boat man. Until you get two sets of gear, it's all water under the bridge. Use full immortal with tank gear for defending and obviously use dps gear, with full vengeance when attacking in warzones. The "jack of all trades" crossover crap is done. Pick yer poison.

Oh, and you should definitely select shatter.

As for warzones I suggest you either go full dps(vengeance/rage) or full tank(immortal). It's much better for your team. On the other hand if you are looking for an 1v1 build, and you really like vengeance 11/35/0 might be better than full vengeance. Just remember to use vici slash instead of shatter. Here I made a bit of a change on your build for that purpose: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101GMoMzZfMrRrhddGh.3.

For wzs I'd suggest one of these builds:

dps

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RMoZfMrRrhddGGoZb.3

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101MMZfMrRrhddGhoZf00z.3

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1010MZcMRZfrMkrGkRcfz.3 <-not sure about this I never play rage

tank

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrRbddrRbdGzZcMrZo.3

Shatter deals a lot of damage, even upfront, it's nice.

I've tried going into Rage with my last points for Obliterate, but it's not worth it.