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Good Healers are hard to find


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Twickers
10.04.2013 , 02:01 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
My sawbones is there too, and even if I could save the person standing in bad stuff, I wouldn't they need to learn to play sometimes.
Oh I tend to let dumb people die myself if they wont learn, give them a warning after that enjoy the repair bill.
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Damishi
10.04.2013 , 02:26 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Bstr View Post
I always love people who stand in crap then complain that the healers can heal fast enough. I also love it when I am the healer and tanking most of the adds and DPS complain when they die.
^^
I also hate it when I have more HP than both tanks.

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chuixupu
10.04.2013 , 04:04 PM | #13
Yeah I have to agree with others here....sure, there are bad healers out there, but I have not run into that many bad healers at max level. If you find that you can't seem to find healers to heal you and your group through content, chances are it's not the healers causing the problem.

As a healer through multiple mmos I can't tell you how many times I got booted in an easy instance being geared to the teeth from end game progression content because the group wouldn't listen to me when I tried to tell them how to not be stupid and take unnecessary damage. Yeah guys, just don't stand in those big, glowing circles, it's not a buff.
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Brittaany_Banks
10.04.2013 , 04:10 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by jediharrsion View Post
This seems to be a common problem these days when it comes to operations. Finding good healers is more of a challenge then it should be. I have had to call off countless op's in the past because the healers couldn't do there job well.
Healers are force multipliers. The more people they have to heal the more obvious it gets as to how skilled/unskilled they are. The effectiveness of your group is 100% dependent on that healer and what they can do to keep the group surviving.
I don't care who you are. I don't care if you are male, or female, black, or white, gay, or straight, religious, or non-religious, old or young. I care about 3 things. Can you tank properly? Can you DPS properly? Can you heal properly?

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Jeweledleah
10.04.2013 , 04:31 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Brittaany_Banks View Post
Healers are force multipliers. The more people they have to heal the more obvious it gets as to how skilled/unskilled they are. The effectiveness of your group is 100% dependent on that healer and what they can do to keep the group surviving.
actually, that is very untrue.

yes, healers are extremely important to success of the group, however... there's only so much even the best healer can heal through.

getting through an operation is a team effort. you need everyone to do what they are supposed to be doing, you cannot rely on healers to pull you through your lack of awareness.

I cannot heal people who stand in bad for so long - their hitpoints are ticking away faster then what myu global cd allows me to heal for, i cannot heal people who run out to far out of my range, or LoS me, just as my channel heal started, when I have to concentrate on healing a tank through a damage spike, I have no GCD to spear on a dumb dps that insists on standing in cleave, when I have to give everything I have and some that I not, to heal a tank that thinks that gearing for tanking means stacking endurance, while ignoring mitigation, so that I literally cannot look away from them even for a second.

moreover. the more healers you have in a group, the less apparent it is how unskilled the individual may be at least on story mode. because other healers tend to pick up the slack. only so far, naturally, but we do pick up the slack nonetheless. its how "carrying" becomes possible.

anyways, to OP - the story of blaming healers for every failure is as old as time. and often not actually true. if you are having so much trouble clearing content, look at your entire operations group, not just healers.

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Dodasa
10.04.2013 , 09:30 PM | #16
Was doing Cad tank and 1 of the dps stood in the fire. Then said ***. I stated can't heal you fast enough if you just stand under the rockets. Me and the other dps took down boss from 3/4 down. kept us both topped off and helped with dps. Another time same fight tank stood in fire. Said ***. I said cant heal thru fire. He replied oh **** sorry. Nothing more frustrating than players not moving from clearly marked aoe damage spots and then trying to blame the healer.

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Brittaany_Banks
10.05.2013 , 11:37 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
actually, that is very untrue.

yes, healers are extremely important to success of the group, however... there's only so much even the best healer can heal through.

getting through an operation is a team effort. you need everyone to do what they are supposed to be doing, you cannot rely on healers to pull you through your lack of awareness.

I cannot heal people who stand in bad for so long - their hitpoints are ticking away faster then what myu global cd allows me to heal for, i cannot heal people who run out to far out of my range, or LoS me, just as my channel heal started, when I have to concentrate on healing a tank through a damage spike, I have no GCD to spear on a dumb dps that insists on standing in cleave, when I have to give everything I have and some that I not, to heal a tank that thinks that gearing for tanking means stacking endurance, while ignoring mitigation, so that I literally cannot look away from them even for a second.

moreover. the more healers you have in a group, the less apparent it is how unskilled the individual may be at least on story mode. because other healers tend to pick up the slack. only so far, naturally, but we do pick up the slack nonetheless. its how "carrying" becomes possible.

anyways, to OP - the story of blaming healers for every failure is as old as time. and often not actually true. if you are having so much trouble clearing content, look at your entire operations group, not just healers.
I understand it all being about teamwork. I get that. There is not single point of failure more glaring, and open than that of the heals position. Heals are the cornerstone of every mmo that has been. and will ever be.
I don't care who you are. I don't care if you are male, or female, black, or white, gay, or straight, religious, or non-religious, old or young. I care about 3 things. Can you tank properly? Can you DPS properly? Can you heal properly?

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Timeshark
10.06.2013 , 03:23 AM | #18
Its fun to read through these posts because its so easy to see which people have healed and which haven't.

As someone who has done several healing and several tank characters I can tell you that there are some very bad healers in the game (like the ones who focus on dps till the dps and tank health bars are below 50% then try to start healing, and then complain about not having enough resource), however, most of the time when an op or hm fails its because of a failure of the dps to kill off the boss before it enrages and wipes the group. That said, it is possible for a very good healer to carry a sub-par team through a hm, its also possible for an excellent tank to do the same.

Dps is a very important role, much more important than people think (especially in ops). Without good dps to kill the bosses quickly any healer will eventually run out of resource and the team will fail.

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MCaliban
10.06.2013 , 03:27 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Brittaany_Banks View Post
I understand it all being about teamwork. I get that. There is not single point of failure more glaring, and open than that of the heals position. Heals are the cornerstone of every mmo that has been. and will ever be.
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AlrikFassbauer
10.06.2013 , 04:03 AM | #20
I just don't like healing. I always fear that I might be doing something wrong.
The pressure to be a "good" healer is high, nowadays.
Complex minds
will create
Complex problems.