Genko Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) So this is just a short little map out of the chat options if you want to gain max affection with Vette. You would just do Black Talon over and over using the following chat options. I got curious and decided to sit here and see how much affection I could get for her in one run. (not in a group, did this once I could easily solo BT) If you want Light Side points then this is a good way to do it. If you wan't dark side points you'll need someone to map that one out instead as it plays out a little differently. I may map it out later, but not right now. (For those that don't know, affection will increase the speed at which your companions finish crew skill missions and crafting deployments.) http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=70479 Black Talon Vette Affection Guide Lt Sylas: This is my welcome? You're very lucky... Third Option does not matter NR-02: Why should I? Well, aren't you ugly? #3 does not matter NOT I'll do that Imperial Lietenant: For your sake, stand aside! I'll move. NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge): We need to aid the wounded. Very Admirable. This won't be suicide. (LS) We need your help. This is for the best. I'll deal with it. NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge) pt2: Appreciated. Yes, and? You honor me master. All I want is one man. You're still talking? Prepared to be amazed! That should help. NR-02 & Brukarra: Reinforcements are pointless. Quiet, machine! Door & Padawan Yadira Ban: You're nothing. Can't we talk? The General: (This conversation has no gains, just possible losses) NOT I could kill you. NOT You served the sith. #3 does not matter. #4 LS vs DS option - Vette will lose affection for the DS one. Captain Orzik (Holo-communication): NOT More to kill. NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge) (Final): #1 doesn't matter You're choice Captain. There's not much to say. Make sure I get credit. Total Points: +200 Light Side Points, +455 Vette Affection Gain Edited December 23, 2011 by Genko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroNeutral Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricofico Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I say wow on those points of affection!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMcPunchface Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 awesome, ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyJanson Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This is incredible! I think if you managed to do this for every companion for every class you'd go down in forum legend as the most helpful person ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Krayt Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Here are the dark side choices to make. Lt Sylas: This is my welcome? You're very lucky... Third Option does not matter NR-02: Why should I? Well, aren't you ugly? #3 does not matter NOT I'll do that Imperial Lietenant: For your sake, stand aside! I'll move. NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge): We need to aid the wounded. Very Admirable. lets put this beind us #4 does not matter NR-02/Lt Sylas im talented yes,and? You honor me master. All I want is one man. You're still talking? Prepared to be amazed! NR-02 & Brukarra: Reinforcements are pointless. Quiet, machine! Door & Padawan Yadira Ban: You're nothing. Can't we talk? The General: (This conversation has no gains, just possible losses) NOT I could kill you. NOT You served the sith. #3 does not matter. #4 LS vs DS option - Vette will lose affection for the DS one. NR-02 #1 does not matter NR-02/GM Kilran thats an understatement that's horrible dosen't matter it was sadly violent make sure i get credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueyejoe Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 This also stacks with Legacy buff to companion affection gains, netting me 546 with your choices,(note I'm not maxed out on this buff type yet, only a few in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW_Reesk Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) The General: (This conversation has no gains, just possible losses)so just dismiss Vette before you begin this dialogue (DS) NR-02/GM Kilran1.thats an understatement3.that's horrible* does not matter3.it was sadly violent (or) 2.There's not much to say2.make sure i get credit Edited February 24, 2013 by SW_Reesk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I wonder how much you would get on the PTS, since they nerfed the gain from conversations. Instead of the usual 15, you get 11 from a standard "like" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anhalibut Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Here are the choices for Khem I got 528 affection out of one run, but I've bought a couple of Legacy upgrades that give you more conversation points. Black Talon Khem Val Affection Guide (Darkside Sith Inquisitor) Lt Sylas:This is my welcome?You're very lucky...Third Option does not matter NR-02:Why should I?What’s this about? (no points but other options give negatives)#3 does not matterNOT I'll do that Imperial Lieutenant:you’re finished. NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge):Listen up scum.So what?You’re relieved. (DS)All of you –learn from this.The pods had soldiers, idiot.Yes, battle! NR-02/Captain Orzik (Bridge) pt2:Don’t try fawning over me.#2 doesn’t matterMine or yours?Foolish Knight.No I won’t.Prepared to be amazed!Idiot. NR-02 & Brukarra:Reinforcements are pointless.Quiet, machine! Door & Padawan Yadira Ban:Die now. The General:I could kill you.I don’t care.It will be glorious.I’ll kill you. NR-02 (Holo-communication):doesn’t matter. NR-02/Grand Moth (Bridge) (Final):Explain now.NOT that’s horrible.#3 doesn’t matter.There’s not much to sayMake sure I get credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerrorTigr Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Here's a quick transcription in numbers only, so you don't have to Alt-Tab out of the game all the time if you have only one monitor. ? means doesn't matter!# means do NOT pick # 3,3,? - 3,3,?,!1 - 2,3 - 3,2,1,3,!2 - 2,3,2,2,3,2 - 3,3 - 1,2 - !3,!2,?,2 - ? - 1,3,?,3,2 It gave me only 200something Affection with Vette and 200 Dark Side, but hey, still nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipstik Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 8 classes, 5 unique companions, 4 shared companions... so 44 guides... i want them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 8 classes, 5 unique companions, 4 shared companions... so 44 guides... i want them all. Only the "first" companions give affection on Black Talon / Esseless (sp?) In any case, today not worth the grinding for affection points At first, it had its merit running that even for a "first" companion but not anymore: (lots of things changes since the thread was made) 1) They changed how affection was given, that resulted in a nerf for the first companion on low level quests. 2) There was a 30seconds lockout for gifts given to companions. Now it's just 3s cast. 3) Now there are legacy perks to boost affection gain 4) Rank 5 gifts are cheaper, since they are common junk in every pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XantosCledwin Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Only the "first" companions give affection on Black Talon / Esseless (sp?) In any case, today not worth the grinding for affection points At first, it had its merit running that even for a "first" companion but not anymore: (lots of things changes since the thread was made) 1) They changed how affection was given, that resulted in a nerf for the first companion on low level quests. 2) There was a 30seconds lockout for gifts given to companions. Now it's just 3s cast. 3) Now there are legacy perks to boost affection gain 4) Rank 5 gifts are cheaper, since they are common junk in every pack. Since it appears that there is no actual necro limitation on this forum (is there?) I will be responding to this post. 0). with the creation of (HM) The Black Talon, yes, even Broonmark, Xalek, SCORPIO, and Skadge can gain affection in the Black Talon. Granted you have to be around level 50 to pull that off to begin with, but it is still possible. 1). Yes, they did change the way affection is earned. But for the financially stricken individuals, this is still a good way to farm affection before earning sufficient credits to buy gifts or send your companions out to find you some gifts. 2). No comment. 3.) The average affection boost for any conversation option in the base Black Talon with Vette is +11. The Conversation Legacy Perk grants you a bonus of at max +30%. That means that if you bought all three of those upgrades you are looking at making roughly +14 affection with each conversation option. The fact that there are roughly 7 spots where you can gain affection with Vette, and you are looking at a total of 98 affection per run. That is NOT insubstantial, especially given the current affection gain system. 4.) How on earth are Rank 5 Gifts cheaper than something that is FREE? Assuming you purchased the Architect's Stronghold Pack or the Pilgrim's Shadow Pack at today's value of 250 Cartel Coins, you are actually spending 2.25 US Dollars. Yes, it does have other items, but if you are buying this for the primary purpose of getting the companion gift, you are wasting your money. Even the Initiate's Shadow Pack at 155 Cartel Coins is worth something like 1.13 US Dollars (that is my best guess, I am not sure of exact value). And those are the three standard priced packs. The Seneschal's Stronghold Pack is priced a bit odd so I am not going to attempt to convert it. Point is, why would you waste 1 to 3 US Dollars when you can get the same effect simply by running a free flash point a few times. Please note, there is no weekly limit on the number of times you can run a flash point as a free to play player, only on the number of loot drops you can get from that flash point. If your primary goal is the affection gain, then you have no problem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Since it appears that there is no actual necro limitation on this forum (is there?) I will be responding to this post. 0). with the creation of (HM) The Black Talon, yes, even Broonmark, Xalek, SCORPIO, and Skadge can gain affection in the Black Talon. Granted you have to be around level 50 to pull that off to begin with, but it is still possible. 1). Yes, they did change the way affection is earned. But for the financially stricken individuals, this is still a good way to farm affection before earning sufficient credits to buy gifts or send your companions out to find you some gifts. 2). No comment. 3.) The average affection boost for any conversation option in the base Black Talon with Vette is +11. The Conversation Legacy Perk grants you a bonus of at max +30%. That means that if you bought all three of those upgrades you are looking at making roughly +14 affection with each conversation option. The fact that there are roughly 7 spots where you can gain affection with Vette, and you are looking at a total of 98 affection per run. That is NOT insubstantial, especially given the current affection gain system. 4.) How on earth are Rank 5 Gifts cheaper than something that is FREE? Assuming you purchased the Architect's Stronghold Pack or the Pilgrim's Shadow Pack at today's value of 250 Cartel Coins, you are actually spending 2.25 US Dollars. Yes, it does have other items, but if you are buying this for the primary purpose of getting the companion gift, you are wasting your money. Even the Initiate's Shadow Pack at 155 Cartel Coins is worth something like 1.13 US Dollars (that is my best guess, I am not sure of exact value). And those are the three standard priced packs. The Seneschal's Stronghold Pack is priced a bit odd so I am not going to attempt to convert it. Point is, why would you waste 1 to 3 US Dollars when you can get the same effect simply by running a free flash point a few times. Please note, there is no weekly limit on the number of times you can run a flash point as a free to play player, only on the number of loot drops you can get from that flash point. If your primary goal is the affection gain, then you have no problem there. I didn't know the hm version would grant affection points to other companions. Nice. And why on earth you assume I buy packs with my real money to get gifts ? The gifts are cheap and they are sold on the GTN with in-game creds. You say "free", but I don't consider grinding and wasting time on Black Talon free. I value my time a lot. And with one purple rank 5 gift, in 3 seconds, I get a lot more than in a mind numbing run there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XantosCledwin Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) I just sold a Grade 5 Affection item for 15,000 credits earlier. If we assume time = money like you seem to be implying, then the number of warzones I would have to run to get the same amount of credits (not counting weekly or daily quest bonuses) would be around 12.5 warzones on average. It takes anywhere between 10 and 20 minutes to complete a Warzone depending on which Warzone it is. So assuming we are just talking about 12.5 of the 10 minute Warzones, that is roughly 125 minutes, or just over 2 hours. In the same amount of time I could have completed The Black Talon at least twice with a good group, and in so doing gotten roughly the same amount of Affection for Vette as from her highest rated type of gift of the Grade 5 quality. And regarding the Hard Mode Flashpoints and affection... I would assume they grant affection for their conversation pieces. But as I haven't had the opportunity to actually go in and test them in a LONG LONG time, I don't really recall. But even if they don't, that doesn't alter the rest of my argument. Edited December 16, 2014 by XantosCledwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidelicatessen Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I just sold a Grade 5 Affection item for 15,000 credits earlier. If we assume time = money like you seem to be implying, then the number of warzones I would have to run to get the same amount of credits (not counting weekly or daily quest bonuses) would be around 12.5 warzones on average. It takes anywhere between 10 and 20 minutes to complete a Warzone depending on which Warzone it is. So assuming we are just talking about 12.5 of the 10 minute Warzones, that is roughly 125 minutes, or just over 2 hours. In the same amount of time I could have completed The Black Talon at least twice with a good group, and in so doing gotten roughly the same amount of Affection for Vette as from her highest rated type of gift of the Grade 5 quality. And regarding the Hard Mode Flashpoints and affection... I would assume they grant affection for their conversation pieces. But as I haven't had the opportunity to actually go in and test them in a LONG LONG time, I don't really recall. But even if they don't, that doesn't alter the rest of my argument. Your math is sound. But what if he WOULD RATHER run 12 warzones than run BT through once (AGAIN!)? Time vs. money, and leisure time vs. chore time. It really boils down to: would you rather spend credits on gifts and go do something entertaining with the time you just saved (getting Vette to 8k costs less than 100k, with tier 1 and 2 gifts purchased from the vendor)? Or save all those credits and run Black Talon for the upteenth-million time? Solo--a group would foul this up. Have fun with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irongut Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If you want to gain affection through game play rather than gifts you're better off revisiting the old level 50 Belsavis and Ilum daily quests. Vette can gain 400 affection from the Belsavis level 50 dailies and another 100 from Ilum (with legacy convo bonus). It takes about 30 - 40 minutes to run the Belsavis quests and about 20 minutes for Ilum. This works for all the companions for all classes. I just happen to have the figures for Vette handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XantosCledwin Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Your math is sound. But what if he WOULD RATHER run 12 warzones than run BT through once (AGAIN!)? Time vs. money, and leisure time vs. chore time. It really boils down to: would you rather spend credits on gifts and go do something entertaining with the time you just saved (getting Vette to 8k costs less than 100k, with tier 1 and 2 gifts purchased from the vendor)? Or save all those credits and run Black Talon for the upteenth-million time? Solo--a group would foul this up. Have fun with that! Fair point. I personally happen to enjoy both the Black Talon, and the Esseles. However I realize some people don't enjoy those Flash Points, and as such probably don't want to run them upteen million times just to get Vette's affection up. If you want to gain affection through game play rather than gifts you're better off revisiting the old level 50 Belsavis and Ilum daily quests. Vette can gain 400 affection from the Belsavis level 50 dailies and another 100 from Ilum (with legacy convo bonus). It takes about 30 - 40 minutes to run the Belsavis quests and about 20 minutes for Ilum. This works for all the companions for all classes. I just happen to have the figures for Vette handy. Really? I didn't realize that worked out to that type of figure. With that said, the problem with the Belsavis and Ilum Dailies is that you can only do each of them ONCE PER DAY! As such they don't really make for good farming quests. Sure they are good for when you do them that one time each day, but other than that they aren't really all that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I just sold a Grade 5 Affection item for 15,000 credits earlier. If we assume time = money like you seem to be implying, then the number of warzones I would have to run to get the same amount of credits (not counting weekly or daily quest bonuses) would be around 12.5 warzones on average. It takes anywhere between 10 and 20 minutes to complete a Warzone depending on which Warzone it is. So assuming we are just talking about 12.5 of the 10 minute Warzones, that is roughly 125 minutes, or just over 2 hours. In the same amount of time I could have completed The Black Talon at least twice with a good group, and in so doing gotten roughly the same amount of Affection for Vette as from her highest rated type of gift of the Grade 5 quality. And regarding the Hard Mode Flashpoints and affection... I would assume they grant affection for their conversation pieces. But as I haven't had the opportunity to actually go in and test them in a LONG LONG time, I don't really recall. But even if they don't, that doesn't alter the rest of my argument. It seems you're fixated on looking a bad way to make credits to make the Black Talon grind look good. I make most creds with crafting, which pretty much happens when I'm offline. I also play the GTN a little bit too and I make a lot of creds. For example, I made millions with the Club Vertica packs. I bought a lot of them off the GTN when they were up during the casino event, at about 250k each. I sold them a couple of months later when they were embargoe'd, at around 600k-650k a pop, which only took the time to list them In any case, if you think grinding Black Talon for Vette's affection is the best way, by all means... to each their own. /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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