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SWTOR: New Gambling Experience - Is this the new SWG NGE?

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SWTOR: New Gambling Experience - Is this the new SWG NGE?

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PatT
02.15.2017 , 05:23 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
This is the nge, but just really stretched out. It started with 4.0 and will steadily get worse until they either fire the devs and revamp the game, or it shuts down.
Exhumed and Dark reaver gear in 2.0 and 3.0? Are you sure o fyour timeline? or is that the dark side name for the Battlemaster and etc.
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Talon_strikes
02.15.2017 , 05:26 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Gallandaeus View Post
Besides all of the humorous mistakes the OP keeps making (check your stuff before you post, man), this isn't as bad as the NGE was for SWG. Now is GC bad? Obviously; SWTOR is bleeding sub numbers like a stuffed pig. But this hasn't killed a thriving game like the NGE did. Instead, GC has slowly been putting nails into the coffin of a dying animal.
The only mistakes I made were partially about how alt-unfriendly this system is and the gearing. My points still stand. RNG gearing at this capacity is plain awful. The old system was so much more simplistic and the devs have made statements in which they wanted to minimize the grind (such as their PvP gearing update for 3.3). Why the complete change in approach? Everything was perfectly fine and not broken at all. Now the new system is almost like a Korean grind and it's still alt-unfriendly in many other aspects.

Quote: Originally Posted by PatT View Post
Exhumed and Dark reaver gear in 2.0 and 3.0? Are you sure o fyour timeline? or is that the dark side name for the Battlemaster and etc.
You read the thread wrong. All I said about 2.0 and 3.0 was how the gearing system during those times worked perfectly, and worked simplistically as the game got older.
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02.16.2017 , 06:27 AM | #23
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02.16.2017 , 06:43 AM | #24
As an SWG Vet I can say for certain that this is NOT a repeat of the NGE. The NGE did more than just change how equipment was attained it changed the entire game itself. SWG Pre-NGE was a Sandbox MMO where if you wanted to master something you had to use the skill repeatedly to gain experience in it. Before the NGE there was the CU or Combat Upgrade which is what we are seeing now. It redesigned how equipment worked with the various classes. The NGE took SWG from a sandbox MMO to a WOW Clone. It changed a skill based game into a level based game. It also eliminated 40% of the classes that players loved. If you think 4.0 and 5.0 for SWTOR is an attempt to recreate the NGE then you never played SWG before either the CU or the NGE.

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Darkside
02.16.2017 , 06:53 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by krisagi View Post
As an SWG Vet I can say for certain that this is NOT a repeat of the NGE. The NGE did more than just change how equipment was attained it changed the entire game itself. SWG Pre-NGE was a Sandbox MMO where if you wanted to master something you had to use the skill repeatedly to gain experience in it. Before the NGE there was the CU or Combat Upgrade which is what we are seeing now. It redesigned how equipment worked with the various classes. The NGE took SWG from a sandbox MMO to a WOW Clone. It changed a skill based game into a level based game. It also eliminated 40% of the classes that players loved. If you think 4.0 and 5.0 for SWTOR is an attempt to recreate the NGE then you never played SWG before either the CU or the NGE.
It removed more than 40% of classes. They paired it down to only 9 classes. I did misrepresent earlier when I said this was a slow nge, this is really more in line with the CU, which also garnered almost as much hate as the nge, and was the first wave of cancellations. I fear this game is heading down the path with the same pitfalls, all because the devs ego and arrogance won't let them admit that they are wrong, much like SOE did.
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krisagi
02.16.2017 , 07:24 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
It removed more than 40% of classes. They paired it down to only 9 classes. I did misrepresent earlier when I said this was a slow nge, this is really more in line with the CU, which also garnered almost as much hate as the nge, and was the first wave of cancellations. I fear this game is heading down the path with the same pitfalls, all because the devs ego and arrogance won't let them admit that they are wrong, much like SOE did.
Yes but unlike SOE implementing the NGE BioWare is willing to work with us to fix the problems. SOE stuck with their blind ignorance that the NGE killed SWG. In 2014 I was invited to the SOE Main Office in San DIego(which is where I live) and I asked Smedly why they released the NGE and his response was that it was the best content added to the game. I was glad when Daybreak fired his ***** after they separated from Sony. The wave of cancelations for the CU pailed in comparison to the NGE. the CU saw at most a 10% drop in players. the NGE saw a 90% drop in players with in 1 week. But like I said BioWare is still talking with us on Twitch and making improvements 5.1.1 was just the beginning and we will see more in 5.1.2 and possibly in 5.2.

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Archellion
02.17.2017 , 02:10 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by krisagi View Post
BioWare is willing to work with us to fix the problems.
Are they really though? So far, all I've heard are some very nebulous assurances that they'll do "something" to make it "better." It's the "something" and the "better" that should concern us all, because they thought RNG crates would be "something" that would make gearing up "better."

So far, players have two primary complaints about the RNG crate system:
1.) First and foremost, the rewards in the crates are terrible and unrewarding too much of the time.

2.) Getting the next crate takes too long.

As of right now, they've only done "something" about the 2nd complaint which has been to make us get the Disappointment Boxes more quickly. I mean, if the water fountain dispenses 90% sewage and 10% potable water, increasing the rate at which the sewage flows out doesn't really make your drinking experience any less disgusting.

For me, the idea that raid bosses don't drop gear is just ludicrous. If they wanted to tell raiders to piss off out of their game, they couldn't have said it any louder or more clearly than this.

Maybe the scope of GC isn't quite as broad as the NGE, but the attitude behind it and the unrelenting support for it from the developers, in the face of much negative feedback from their playerbase (both before and after implementation), is exactly the same.
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02.17.2017 , 02:19 PM | #28
Oh another NGE Post lol. Sounds family, oh yes:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=60302
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=72471
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196319
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196481
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196441
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=314347
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=343144
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=372908

41 threads alone including the above that just include the title NGE going as far back as the launch of the game. At this point NGE is just being thrown around like the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf. Did an Advanced Search for NGE for it in the entire post and get 500 threads.

This NGE must last a long time since it started on day 1 of the game and yet 5 years later game is still around. Like I said NGE went from something specific in galaxies to now just a loosely thrown around term for TOR.

It's hard to take anyone seriously when NGE is just thrown around like this.
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LunaticFringer
02.18.2017 , 08:23 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightblazer View Post
Oh another NGE Post lol. Sounds family, oh yes:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=60302
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=72471
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196319
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196481
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=196441
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=314347
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=343144
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=372908

41 threads alone including the above that just include the title NGE going as far back as the launch of the game. At this point NGE is just being thrown around like the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf. Did an Advanced Search for NGE for it in the entire post and get 500 threads.

This NGE must last a long time since it started on day 1 of the game and yet 5 years later game is still around. Like I said NGE went from something specific in galaxies to now just a loosely thrown around term for TOR.

It's hard to take anyone seriously when NGE is just thrown around like this.
Well, to be fair, the NGE did last for 5 years.
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