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Confused About the Emperor Storyline(s) (Plot Spoilers, Obviously)

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Confused About the Emperor Storyline(s) (Plot Spoilers, Obviously)

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DarthDymond
09.21.2017 , 09:59 PM | #11
Overall, I was happy with Charles' explanation, I think he did a nice job, but with one exception: the bit about the Emperor still being conscious as Valkroian (albeit weakened) even when he was trapped by Sel-Makor and when he was presumed dead between his fight with the Jedi Knight and his 'resurrection' on Yavin IV. What I really don't like about that retcon is that - in addition to really undermining the narrative of the JK and SW class stories and SoR - it is completely unnecessary.

Darth Marr makes a point of mentioning that Vitiate often fell into "long silences" where he was mysteriously absent from Sith affairs - because, it turns out, he was focused on being Valkorian. I don't think there was anything in KotFE that made it seem like the reverse couldn't also be true - that Valkorian would sometimes sequester himself from the affairs of the Eternal Empire, and even his family, for stretches of time when (unbeknownst to Zakuul) the Emperor shifted his consciousness to back to his Vitiate persona.

If such "silences" were also part of Valkorian's rule, even if they were significantly shorter and less frequent than with Vitiate, then the three years or so when Vitiate was "dead" wouldn't be an issue at all. Heck, they could have worked it into the narrative by mentioning that he ordered the attacks seen in the "Sacrifice" trailer seemingly out of nowhere immediately after returning from a longer-than-normal absence.
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TheRomanRuler
09.22.2017 , 07:23 AM | #12
I think it makes sense that Vitiate was Valkorion. It explains why he was so inactive as Sith Emperor. He used most of that time concentrating on being Valkorion.

Yes it must have been some kind of multi-posession/multi-personality thing.
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Swingkittie
09.28.2017 , 03:16 AM | #13
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I love the original stuff, I was okay with RotHC, and enjoyed SoR. KotFE/KotET for me just don't work story-wise. I freely admit I'm on my first toon working through the stuff, but I don't see Valkorian treating classes like BH, Trooper and Agent the same way as he does the JK, Warrior etc. I know those other classes accomplish big things in the game, but the idea that he has the same conversations with them about having watched them, they alone being worth his interest or whatever, just doesn't smack of reality to me. Or the conversations with Marr and Satele. The story fits with the JK or the whole "Wrath" thing, but I just don't buy it with ALL classes. For me the "one size fits all" approach in that regard is extremely weak.
I couldn't agree more. Although I could see the trooper ruling though. Some countries are run by military regimes, although that usually is not a good thing. My friend who plays a smuggler was laughing through the chapters at the thought that his guy would be a good ruler for the eternal alliance. It was especially odd with the Marr/Satele chapter as it just didn't make sense for non force users.

I find it interesting though that Valkorian gives us information on the future of our alliance. As if it cannot survive without him leading it. A few times he mentions in Chapter 9 of KOTET and

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Now I originally thought Valkorian was just saying this because he wants to continue to manipulate and control my character's actions. He certainly wouldn't mind if she got rid of these two because of the influence they have and strength they bring to the alliance. However, with all that has happened since (iokath, Umbarra, Uprisings) that maybe there was more truth to his words than mere manipulative tactics.
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SteveTheCynic
09.28.2017 , 07:05 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
Darth Marr makes a point of mentioning that Vitiate often fell into "long silences" where he was mysteriously absent from Sith affairs - because, it turns out, he was focused on being Valkorian. I don't think there was anything in KotFE that made it seem like the reverse couldn't also be true - that Valkorian would sometimes sequester himself from the affairs of the Eternal Empire, and even his family, for stretches of time when (unbeknownst to Zakuul) the Emperor shifted his consciousness to back to his Vitiate persona.
I don't have a citeable quote, unfortunately, but go back and play the opening of the Lady of Sorrows chapter (VII?) as you arrive on Zakuul and listen to what Senya says as the two of you walk through the tunnels to meet T7.

Her words can be very much interpreted as implying something similar in the "Vitiate distracting Valkorian" direction.
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IoNonSoEVero
09.28.2017 , 09:08 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Swingkittie View Post
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Now I originally thought Valkorian was just saying this because he wants to continue to manipulate and control my character's actions. He certainly wouldn't mind if she got rid of these two because of the influence they have and strength they bring to the alliance. However, with all that has happened since (iokath, Umbarra, Uprisings) that maybe there was more truth to his words than mere manipulative tactics.
Valkorion has a long history of lying and telling half-truths to serve his purposes and undercut the player's confidence, though. Like when he tells the player that a companion will die, or that Arcann can't be defeated, if the player doesn't use his power.

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menofhorror
09.29.2017 , 02:42 PM | #16
The emperor storyline has been retconned with 3.0.
It also doesn't make sense how the emperor can just control all the people on Ziost when the sith warrior explicitely states that the emperor can only have one voice.

But it's not a surprise, the sith warrior storyline has in general been ignored in the story since Forged Alliances.