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How do you achieve 60+APM?


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Ardarell_Solo
07.15.2019 , 07:07 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by mrphstar View Post
if you want to compare your dps with realistic parses just ignore the ones with 1.2GCDs. (you can calculate the average GCD by looking at the rotations tab i.e. and see if these are legit parses)
I just did that for Sents/Maras and it turns out all top 8 parses use that bug. In top 10 only those by "Non-sorc Zanwell", "Rana'vex" are legit. #11 ist with the bugged perk, too, from then on the rest of the parses are legit as well.

That's a substantially distorted list Parsely presents these days, then. Assuming Sents/Maras are by far not the only spec who does it, imo you can hardly call that a "leaderboard"...
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Equeliber
07.15.2019 , 07:08 AM | #12
Carnage parses can be just a little above 60APM without any bugs. You just need to use hidden savagery utility to get an extra offensive skill and mash your buttons very hard overall

For other 2 specs it's the guild perk bug, for sure.

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Ardarell_Solo
07.15.2019 , 07:14 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Equeliber View Post
Carnage parses can be just a little above 60APM without any bugs. You just need to use hidden savagery utility to get an extra offensive skill and mash your buttons very hard overall

For other 2 specs it's the guild perk bug, for sure.
Everyone uses hidden savagery - and there have never been any good parses without abusing your keyboard ^^

Still this explains why eliminating pases using that bug is a little harder than I thought: You have to calculate average standard GCD length based on alacrity bonuses of each spec and then eliminate parses with 0.1 secs shorter GCDs. Still seems doable, if you use this as a basis: https://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comme...8i&sh=987b4f3a
El'ethon - Sentinel <Taking the Jawas to Alderaan> T3-M4

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Rion_Starkiller
07.15.2019 , 09:47 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by mrphstar View Post
Parsely-Admin knows this, but refuses to delete these unrealistic parses allthough all other parses with significant bonuses like guild orbital strike got removed. One could simply filter them by removing all parses with higher APM then possible for each class, but its "too much work".
I got the impression he got tired of working for free. :shrug:

He should slap a discrete ad on his site if he wants to make a little money for his work.
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Ardarell_Solo
07.15.2019 , 10:34 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
I got the impression he got tired of working for free. :shrug:

He should slap a discrete ad on his site if he wants to make a little money for his work.
I can totally understand this. I'd donate anytime if he offered the option to do so :-)
El'ethon - Sentinel <Taking the Jawas to Alderaan> T3-M4

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mrphstar
07.16.2019 , 08:15 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
I got the impression he got tired of working for free. :shrug:

He should slap a discrete ad on his site if he wants to make a little money for his work.
thats absolutly reasonable and i appriciate the work and effort behind this project. we wouldnt have any other solid way to rank all specs and compare them in each boss fight. so dont get me wrong, not wanna be ungrateful here.

on the other hand i dont think these kinds of project are designed to get payed for. the community using them is to small and if you would hide them behind a paywall nobody would use them anymore.

one should be aware of that situation when starting such projects, and im sure the creators of parsely were.
you either do it correct, or dont do it at all.

but yeah, thats why I/we cant demand anything from them. but in this case its a very easy check to implement to filter these bugged perks. and seeing the impact of them to such a nice tool, makes me kinda sad.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ardarell_Solo View Post
I just did that for Sents/Maras and it turns out all top 8 parses use that bug. In top 10 only those by "Non-sorc Zanwell", "Rana'vex" are legit. #11 ist with the bugged perk, too, from then on the rest of the parses are legit as well.

That's a substantially distorted list Parsely presents these days, then. Assuming Sents/Maras are by far not the only spec who does it, imo you can hardly call that a "leaderboard"...
at this point i think all top100 parses overall use this perk. theres one guild who discovered it first and literaly spamed the board with these 1.2GCD parses from all specs.

on a side note: even some of the "legit" parses arent realistic, as they use pre-build resources to skip some parts of the opener like non-sorc did, since the opener of anni is very slow. you wouldnt have that pre-build rage with anni in a legit bossfight most of the time. but these are minor differences compared to the 10% dps boost the perk provides.

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Ardarell_Solo
07.16.2019 , 09:31 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by mrphstar View Post
on a side note: even some of the "legit" parses arent realistic, as they use pre-build resources to skip some parts of the opener like non-sorc did, since the opener of anni is very slow. you wouldnt have that pre-build rage with anni in a legit bossfight most of the time. but these are minor differences compared to the 10% dps boost the perk provides.
Yeah I saw what non-sorc did, but didn't mention it because this thread was about something else. Players have been doing this for as long as dummy parses have been compared and ranked. In the old days before parsely existed, members of the community did the leaderboards here on the forums and checked each and every parse players submitted and disallowed them if stuff like non-sorc's was in them. But that really was a ****load of work. Back then none of the 1.2 GCD parses would have made it on any leaderboard, too, of course.

With a tool like Parsely you basically have to rely on participants playing fair game. You can't do much about cheaters. Of course if someone made the effort to extract a legit leaderboard from parsely lists and posted them here, we'd have a clean leaderboard. As much as I would like to do that, I just can't spend the necessary amount of time these days. And I'm not the only one at that for sure...
El'ethon - Sentinel <Taking the Jawas to Alderaan> T3-M4

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g_mK
07.16.2019 , 09:38 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Ardarell_Solo View Post
Yeah I saw what non-sorc did, but didn't mention it because this thread was about something else. Players have been doing this for as long as dummy parses have been compared and ranked. In the old days before parsely existed, members of the community did the leaderboards here on the forums and checked each and every parse players submitted and disallowed them if stuff like non-sorc's was in them. But that really was a ****load of work. Back then none of the 1.2 GCD parses would have made it on any leaderboard, too, of course.

With a tool like Parsely you basically have to rely on participants playing fair game. You can't do much about cheaters. Of course if someone made the effort to extract a legit leaderboard from parsely lists and posted them here, we'd have a clean leaderboard. As much as I would like to do that, I just can't spend the necessary amount of time these days. And I'm not the only one at that for sure...
That's basically how its been for a long time now. This days I just look at the math and how much should I be parsing. In the end what trully matters though is whether your are doing good numbers in NiM progression.
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Ardarell_Solo
07.16.2019 , 10:03 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by g_mK View Post
In the end what trully matters though is whether your are doing good numbers in NiM progression.
Yeah that's the master class of playing SWTOR. Unfortunately I can't spend the amount of time necessary for that anymore and neither can the players I used to do it with. But I still like to optimize gear and rotation of the current specs and see what can be done with them. To me dummy parsing is a bit like katas are in martial arts. I really enjoy it and I also like the competitive aspect of comparing legit parses. But that's just me :-)
El'ethon - Sentinel <Taking the Jawas to Alderaan> T3-M4