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EmperorRus
01.11.2019 , 09:48 AM | #51
QoL feature suggestion:
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If another sorc applies a barrier onto you, you still get the effects from the utilities you skilled.
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TrixxieTriss
01.11.2019 , 11:07 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarova View Post
See this again:

When other sorcerers "bubble" me it prevents me using my own awesome shield (I use Lightning barrier and Corrupted Barrier) for their crappy bubble. Even if I get rid of theirs I still have the enforced cooldown before I can re-shield myself to contend with It is very annoying!
100% agree.

I can look after my own bubble. If a Sorc can’t bubble themselves, then they don’t know how to play their class.

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YodaUnrea
01.12.2019 , 07:21 AM | #53
well i understand that BW needs to tweek classes, but completly cutting of other classes from the end game contet is not good.
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Equeliber
01.13.2019 , 05:42 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by YodaUnrea View Post
well i understand that BW needs to tweek classes, but completly cutting of other classes from the end game contet is not good.
There is no class in the game that is "cut off" from endgame.
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ceazare
01.13.2019 , 03:44 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by PorsaLindahl View Post
If you cast a bubble on a jugg that just popped Enraged Defense
Spoiler
and that bubble absorbs 25-30k damage, then you just negated that amount of healing from that ability.
Sorry, what? Bubble absorbs 12-15k damage. Even if it did prevent Enraged Defense, the amount of healing lost would be unrelated to the amount of damage absorbed by the bubble. But to my knowledge it doesn't prevent it from triggering anyway. Here are 2 lines from a combat log that show it:

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[14:49:08.698] [@Paypel] [@Paypel] [Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (9468)
[14:49:08.698] [@Opponent] [@Paypel] [Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2101* internal {836045448940876} (2101 absorbed {836045448945511})) <2101>
Focused Defense heal triggered from a dot tick that was fully absorbed by the bubble.

Sorry for offtopic. I have my own opinions about OP's issues, but I'm only posting because of Cunningham's Law.
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PorsaLindahl
01.13.2019 , 06:25 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by ceazare View Post
Sorry, what? Bubble absorbs 12-15k damage. Even if it did prevent Enraged Defense, the amount of healing lost would be unrelated to the amount of damage absorbed by the bubble. But to my knowledge it doesn't prevent it from triggering anyway. Here are 2 lines from a combat log that show it:

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[14:49:08.698] [@Paypel] [@Paypel] [Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (9468)
[14:49:08.698] [@Opponent] [@Paypel] [Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2101* internal {836045448940876} (2101 absorbed {836045448945511})) <2101>
Focused Defense heal triggered from a dot tick that was fully absorbed by the bubble.

Sorry for offtopic. I have my own opinions about OP's issues, but I'm only posting because of Cunningham's Law.
Those numbers I posted were arbitrary numbers. It was to emphasize a point.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anything in those 2 lines about static shield or force armor. I see focused defense, a single heal proc from focused defense, then weaken mind with 2 damage ticks then being absorbed (which could have come from the the offhand shield or armor or the sorc placing it having low accuracy). It says nothing about force armor or static shield. In the case posting because of Cunningham's Law, your post fits the bill since it's incorrect.

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ceazare
01.13.2019 , 07:42 PM | #57
It's pretty significant to be off by a factor of 2. Imagine saying Death Field / Force in Balance hits for 30k.

The 2 log lines actually provide all the relevant info. There was a single Weaken Mind hit, it did connect, it was fully absorbed and it caused a Focused Defense heal. The heal seems to happen before the dot tick, but it has the same timestamp so there's no doubt what caused it.

Did you mean the shield/absorb with the offhand? That's represented differently, the lines include "Shielded" then. Absorb in combat log is only for abilities that absorb a certain fixed amount of damage. You're right, I omitted the part where Force Armor is applied. That's because the game doesn't care what ability caused the absorb, they would all work the same, so I didn't find that part important. But if you're interested, here's the part of the log that you missed:

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[14:48:53.335] [@Sage] [@Paypel] [Force Armor {812736661422080}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Force Armor {812736661422080}] ()
[14:49:05.957] [@Opponent] [@Paypel] [Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] ()
[14:49:06.293] [@Opponent] [@Paypel] [Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1229 internal {836045448940876} (1228 absorbed {836045448945511})) <1229>
[14:49:07.197] [@Paypel] [@Paypel] [Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[14:49:07.197] [@Paypel] [@Paypel] [Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] ()
[14:49:08.698] [@Paypel] [@Paypel] [Focused Defense {2793700132388864}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (9468)
[14:49:08.698] [@Opponent] [@Paypel] [Weaken Mind {812861215473664}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2101* internal {836045448940876} (2101 absorbed {836045448945511})) <2101>
There was no other damage before Weaken Mind.
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Equeliber
01.14.2019 , 10:09 AM | #58
The Bubble will only "waste" the heals from Focused Defense if that guardian was at full HP. Then, bubble will absorb some damage, FD will still trigger and overheal.

But that guardian deserves it if he uses FD so early
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