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Game Devs ever gonna upgrade this games "Engine"?

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Game Devs ever gonna upgrade this games "Engine"?

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Fluffometer
02.25.2021 , 02:06 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonSire View Post
They won't invest money in it. If anything they will start flooding the market with new $$ items to try and recoup all the money now lost to Anthem. They have had a lot of failures the last few years, and have broken promises to make things right time and time again until a project just gets gone. (Andromeda DLC, Anthem 2.0 etc)

They will just keep using SWTOR to generate micro transactions while supporting Mass Effect development. With a little bit of new content thrown in once in awhile to keep people playing. Other than minor cosmetic changes to the engine don't expect anything close to major upgrade.
Indeed - I was just saying that in all honesty I'm not terrible fussed about an engine upgrade even if there was a chance that it could happen, as unlikely as that is anyway. If I was the Evil Overlord in Charge of all Development (*) I'd spend the money on a round of bug fixes and content :-)

* somewhat similar to my actual role - my actual job title is unfortunately far more banal.
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02.25.2021 , 02:37 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonSire View Post
They will just keep using SWTOR to generate micro transactions while supporting Mass Effect development. With a little bit of new content thrown in once in awhile to keep people playing. Other than minor cosmetic changes to the engine don't expect anything close to major upgrade.
It's sad to see TOR this way, but I think you're right.

The high value of the Star Wars trademark is both a blessing and a curse. It generates enough money that movies and games can be popped out with giant globs of equestrian excrement on top and profit will still be made.

I really hope someone else comes out with a better MMO now that EA doesn't have a standing monopoly on Star Wars games. I still enjoy TOR, but I think it's time for the title to be managed by someone else that sees it as more than a minimal-effort cash cow there to fund other projects.

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02.25.2021 , 05:05 PM | #43
This game had lots of content for KOTFE and KOTET. People came back to play for them. Then they left, even with fairly steady chapter updates (for KOTFE). Of the new flashpoints, I don't know anyone that wants to play them more than once or twice. The new story content is great but it doesn't keep people playing regularly in an MMO.

I know full well that it will never happen but this game's engine needs an overhaul. Updating the engine the right way allows for more customizations to characters, to homes, to ships. It fixes issues with combat. It opens the possibility of flying mounts (and jetpacks), of war zones with vehicles, of war zones and raids with more than 16 characters, of fleet and guild ship invasions, of more sandboxy planets and more interesting live events. And it can make the addition of new content easier/faster and less bug prone. As Khan tells us: "Add content or improve a system and you may gain some, but improve the engine and you gain a thousandfold." Often you have to step back before you can make the leaps forward. Millions of people out there were interested in playing a good Star Wars MMO ten years ago. Many times that would love to play a fun SW game.

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NeoNSoNicXJR
02.28.2021 , 07:17 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by SteveTheCynic View Post
OK, so let's say they decide to do this. What do they optimise it **for**? Multicore processors? Fast graphics cards? Acceptable performance on slow processors? Acceptable performance on slow graphics cards? Good performance when there are lots of characters in view just standing around? Good performance when there's only, say, 16 players and a couple of bosses all flailing away with flashy abilties?

Multicore Processors and Fast Graphics Cards atleast.

You can't optimise for *everything*, and MMORPGs have wide variations in what they do, what hardware they run on, etc.

In a perfect world, it would be everything.

Justify. Why do you think it would onlly take 6-12 months?

because its the game engine that can take a long time i think if they put a team to it, they could do it in that amount of time atleast. at most, 2 years tops if the dedicate to it. like an expansion pack.

You post on a public forum, you get feedback from the public. The reason why "some techy" (that is, someone who actually knows the subject matter) posts that sort of thing is that BioWare (more properly EA) is a business, and decisions must be based on, or at least consider, well, business realities. Those realities say that if they develop X, there is Y amount of net business benefit, and if they develop Z, there is W amount of net business benefit, and because Y is tiny and X is a huge chunk of work, while W is huge and Z is a tiny amount of work, we're liable to see Z, even if we would prefer X.

In this case, it's worse still, since the business benefit is impossible to quantify, and the cost is huge.

they make so much money off this game and put so much money into it its not even funny in an imdb it said its the most expensive mmorpg ever made if they just put more money into it again and start working on it to improve it so it doesnt lag on gaming systems (which is the point of this thread, as it does, so they need to improve the game engine) since the game still makes money as the game is still maintained so it should still be supported, thats my logic.

On a more practical basis: would you want to see a total blockage of new content for whatever time it takes them to develop the newly-optimised or re-engined version of the game? And a whole raft of new bugs that don't show up in internal testing because they *cannot* test everything?
No i would not want to see a total blockage of new content for them to develop optimizations for the game. they do a pretty good job of squashing bugs on new content in this game ive been playing this game since 2012 off and on the amount of bugs ive seen in the game i can count on my right hand alone they get a 9/10 overall on this game from me to be fair. 10/10 if im in serious mode because i see this games potential they just gotta put the time and money back into it again.

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02.28.2021 , 10:49 AM | #45
Big overhauls of what's under the hood is probably a rather bad ROI.

If it just runs 15fps better on fleet and Illum PvP is a thing 10 years after it was supposed to be, no-one outside existing players will much care. That news won't exactly grab anyone on IGN.com.

If you're sinking funds into engine development and probably enhanced assets to go with it, at some stage you have to ask yourself, why not just make a TOR II instead and cash in on the starting hype all over again.

I mean yes, EA/Activision seem to have caught the "remake" bug, but that's because they're cashing in on it all over again, retail price of a new AAA game for tinkering with old products. What are they going to do in this game, push out an engine update as a b2p expansion with AI enhanced textures? Hmmm, when I say it out loud... I'd actually pay for that =P

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translucentwolf
Yesterday , 03:30 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by NeoNSoNicXJR View Post
No i would not want to see a total blockage of new content for them to develop optimizations for the game. they do a pretty good job of squashing bugs on new content in this game ive been playing this game since 2012 off and on the amount of bugs ive seen in the game i can count on my right hand alone they get a 9/10 overall on this game from me to be fair. 10/10 if im in serious mode because i see this games potential they just gotta put the time and money back into it again.
The people who want to play, are.

The people who won't, left.

There is *0* reason for the devs to touch the engine, or do anything but continue to carry on at the current pace.

Also, *you* think 6 months, with a 'team'. Nice estimate. How many MMOs have you been lead architect for?
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YodaUnrea
Yesterday , 05:40 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by NeoNSoNicXJR View Post
seeing how good video cards are nowadays and systems this game could use an engine optimization pass. they did this for PlanetSide 2. in this case its easy to get well over 60 - 144 - 200+ FPS in this game fully maxed out with a good video card RAM and CPU and monitor. Devs what do u think so this game doesnt hiccup / stutter when well over 60+ fps. dont get me wrong it looks really good on G-SYNC 240HZ monitor at 1440p dynamic super resolution from Nvidia.

but if u guys can make a engine optimization pass like how daybreak did for planetside 2 u just gotta do your research and put effort into it i say u can do it in 6 months - a year. its well worth the investment if u put a team to it. will bring players back and revitalize the game and is a much needed upgrade to star wars the old republic as a whole.

please no one shoot this down its much needed for this game, constructive feedback only please so devs seriously take it into consideration. that means no posts from some techy saying 'oh the resources are just too low' or 'its not worth it' or 'they would be better spent somewhere else this game is going on 10 years, resources would be better spent somewhere else, etc.

PLEASE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEBACK ONLY PLEASE! I really want the devs to make this happen!
I dont think so, they lack teh source for this job. and also human resources as well. nto to mention not just enginering replacement is needed but also a grafick modul as well with a decent rendering engine as well. EA dont care about this project, and nor even the Bioware CEO as well.
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Today , 07:28 AM | #48
What Swtor should have did from the beginning during the Tortanic years

https://youtu.be/39j5v8jlndM

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Today , 08:40 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by vallixas View Post
What Swtor should have did from the beginning during the Tortanic years

https://youtu.be/39j5v8jlndM
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