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[class balance] kill two birds with one stone

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[class balance] kill two birds with one stone

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Qwurdilu
10.03.2014 , 05:36 AM | #1
Make madness/balance cleansable by sorc again.

=madness has an effective counter
=makes sorc even more viable

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Domatron
10.03.2014 , 10:59 AM | #2
I agree uncleansable dots was a dumb idea, madness being uncleansable only nerfed sorc cleanse and now operatives have the most effective force cleanse in evasion (only concealment should have the dot purge imo)
Lethality and pyro have a better mechanic, annihilation just needed their dots switched from physical to force type.

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Ryuku-sama
10.03.2014 , 11:41 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Domatron View Post
I agree uncleansable dots was a dumb idea, madness being uncleansable only nerfed sorc cleanse and now operatives have the most effective force cleanse in evasion (only concealment should have the dot purge imo)
Lethality and pyro have a better mechanic, annihilation just needed their dots switched from physical to force type.
Anni's DoTs being uncleansable is fine. Anni set up time is much longer than any other class, and beside a bleed/burn IS a physical effect, you can't change them without affecting all other burn/bleed effect
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Anyakaschala
10.03.2014 , 02:51 PM | #4
dots is all sorcs/sages do, thus if cleansible it makes them completely useless. Already 1st focused in ranked, this would make them worse than mercs

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Ryuku-sama
10.03.2014 , 03:04 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Anyakaschala View Post
dots is all sorcs/sages do, thus if cleansible it makes them completely useless. Already 1st focused in ranked, this would make them worse than mercs
But only one able to cleanse sorc dot is sorc.
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Anyakaschala
10.03.2014 , 04:30 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ryuku-sama View Post
But only one able to cleanse sorc dot is sorc.
id say too much work and too much coding to make it doable on BW's part, thus, IMO, won't happen.

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Shenyu
10.03.2014 , 04:59 PM | #7
Time to go back to the good ole chain lightning/DF AOE hybrid if that ever happens.

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Loki_
10.03.2014 , 06:52 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Anyakaschala View Post
id say too much work and too much coding to make it doable on BW's part, thus, IMO, won't happen.
What planet are you from ?

Back when they could be cleansed they could only be ever cleansed by sage/sorc anyway because this is the only advanced class with a force cleanse ...

It would mean sorc / sage heal would be the only class capable of neutralizing madness/balance sin/shadow too giving them an actual purpose.

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JediMasterSLC
10.03.2014 , 10:11 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Anyakaschala View Post
dots is all sorcs/sages do, thus if cleansible it makes them completely useless. Already 1st focused in ranked, this would make them worse than mercs
Except they were already far better than mercs before dots were made uncleanseable, before barrier buff, before self heal off the GCD, and before lolFL/CT buff.

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Master-Nala
10.03.2014 , 10:42 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
Except they were already far better than mercs before dots were made uncleanseable, before barrier buff, before self heal off the GCD, and before lolFL/CT buff.
Not really, they were better, but that's because Mercs were completely broken. Uncleansable DoTs are necessary for a class that gets about half its damage from DoTs with a cooldown longer than cleanse. There is no effective counter-play for a Madness Sorc if all other Sorcs can cleanse. In that game Creeping Terror and Crushing Darkness become useless.

I really wish people would stop. Madness DoTs do over time what the burst specs do in 3-4 GCDs. DoTs are already easier to heal through, DoTs already give you a lot more time to react than direct damage powers. Direct Damage attacks don't have an off button, there is no reason DoTs should.

And before people rehash the same specious arguments, DoTs are just as affected by defensive cooldowns as direct damage attacks of the same damage type. DoT have NO advantage over instant direct damage powers. Uncleansable is near essential unless you are going to shift the damage profile away from three DoTs, two with significant cooldowns compared to cleanse.
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