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Whatís the latest info on Lightning Sorc?

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Whatís the latest info on Lightning Sorc?

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Ayushman
11.12.2019 , 11:02 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by jedcjedcjedc View Post
pretty sure stormwatch beats out eyrins haste
Pls. re-read last part of 2nd sentence of my post.
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11.12.2019 , 11:39 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayushman View Post
(A) I am waiting for my betters to calculate a break point that I can achieve myself without help of others.
3400 is 42/70 crit. you can logicaly assume at that rate, 3700-4k is 45/73 (pushing the 4k mark mostlikely, 42-45 has always burned DR) that being said, 45/73 was last expansion break point for crit, it was also roughly 1850.... which... was the same as alacritys break point.

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11.13.2019 , 08:49 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Seterade View Post
3400 is 42/70 crit. you can logicaly assume at that rate, 3700-4k is 45/73 (pushing the 4k mark mostlikely, 42-45 has always burned DR) that being said, 45/73 was last expansion break point for crit, it was also roughly 1850.... which... was the same as alacritys break point.
Thanks. I can work with that.
Now if only RNGoddes stop trying to drown me in alacrity related pieces...
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11.13.2019 , 09:34 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Thinking of getting mine off the shelf to lvl up next and Iím wondering what the new meta has for them.

What utilities should I be looking for for max dps and survivability?

Whatís the deal with the new Volt rush and the best way to use it?

What set bonus and tactical?

And Amps, what should I be looking for?

Lastly, what stats considering the stats pool is much less?

I need to state this will be for regs as my ping is too high to play a Sorc in ranked.
Hmm, Ling/TK requires high APM. I don't know how well that will work for your APAC ping. Madness/Balance is underrated in regs.
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11.13.2019 , 02:18 PM | #15
How are you people actually calling Lightning OP? Sure, they have a bit more DoT (lol) damage which helps them fluff numbers, but they still get absolutely smashed by so many classes. They can't stay in LOS of a Sniper, or they'll get eaten up. They can't kite a Mara/Jugg for long enough to actually make a difference. They might be able to go face to face with a Merc, or kite Sins around for a bit but they could do those even in 5.0. Their strongest attack is on a 10s CD and does what, 40k with the set bonus boost? What am I missing?

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11.13.2019 , 02:37 PM | #16
mainly that they didnt suck in 5.0 either, just, they had a bad name. cuz they were underwhelming at launch. Lightning sorcs became more than relevant in 5.10 and remain so, even more now with bolster at max.

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TrixxieTriss
11.13.2019 , 10:39 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Seterade View Post
mainly that they didnt suck in 5.0 either, just, they had a bad name. cuz they were underwhelming at launch. Lightning sorcs became more than relevant in 5.10 and remain so, even more now with bolster at max.
Not so much. They still didnt have the burst or ability to kill other classes in a 1v1.

Now they can 1v1 and win, people are QQing they are OP. This has happened everytime Sorcs have been given the ability to 1v1 people. You can go back to launch (if you can find all the posts) and see that with in weeks of a buff, people QQ because they donít like that a Sorc can now kill them.

Usually Bioware nerf within 4-8 weeks and they nerf the wrong stuff and destroy the class. Then everyone is happy again because Sorcs arent a threat in a 1v1 situations.

Of course Sorcs are doing huge numbers and did decent numbers in 5.10, if the were left alone. The main issue is always total damage out put, not the ability to kill someone. People refuse to look at the bigger picture, why do Sorcs do so much damage?

Most of the time over the years when Sorcs get called OP (except for a few), itís people not understanding the class and why they are doing those numbers.

1. Bioware keep pushing too much AOE damage onto lightning Sorcs.
2. Bioware keep pushing too much DOT AOE burst on madness Sorcs.
3. People let Sorcs free cast !! This is usually the biggest reason in the past that has allowed Sorcs to do big numbers.

Bioware just need to pick one to be AOE and Dots and Pick one to be Burst.

Why do they both have to be strong in AOE?
Why do they both have to use Dots?

IMO, lighting could definitely lose some of the AOE burst at the moment. That would reduce the total dps out put because they wouldnít be bursting so many targets at once in their rotation. Itís not needed in Ops, itís not needed in FPs and itís definitely not needed in pvp.

Boost their single target dps (if still needed, not sure yet) to compensate for removing AOE burst from the rotation. Remove dots from lighting and make force lightning usable on the move with more damage or add some more single target lightning abilities. They donít need dots and itís lazy design to make one refresh as part of the rotation.

Iím not going to comment too much on madness as itís been too many years since Iíve played it to make any reasonable suggestions. But maybe more instant dot spread and a little less burst might give them the dps output they need for an AOE role in granked and ops.

Of course, there will still be those who QQ because too many people have become complacent of Sorcs over the years and let them free cast AOE spam to do big numbers, which is where a tonne of their dps out put comes from. If people donít learn that Sorcs are a threat and shut them down, they will always farm high dps numbers (because thatís all most people seem to care about these days, not actual kills).

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TrixxieTriss
11.13.2019 , 10:41 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Mycroft-Tarkin View Post
How are you people actually calling Lightning OP? Sure, they have a bit more DoT (lol) damage which helps them fluff numbers, but they still get absolutely smashed by so many classes. They can't stay in LOS of a Sniper, or they'll get eaten up. They can't kite a Mara/Jugg for long enough to actually make a difference. They might be able to go face to face with a Merc, or kite Sins around for a bit but they could do those even in 5.0. Their strongest attack is on a 10s CD and does what, 40k with the set bonus boost? What am I missing?
Dot damage on lightning should be removed. Itís a stupid set up and lazy design. We should have a better distinction between madness and lightning. Madnesss is the dot spec, lightning should not have dots,

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Jinre_the_Jedi
11.13.2019 , 11:50 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayushman View Post
1. Same as before ie 5.10 or close. Really.
2. Volt rush is garbage... keep it somewhere you wont need it.
3. Stormwatch tactical + Gathering storm set bonus for ling sorc. Its new op in making for good players.
4. Anything that says it increases force dmg.
5. No accuracy still. after achieving alacrity (A), pump rest in critical. really.

(A) I am waiting for my betters to calculate a break point that I can achieve myself without help of others.
According to the theorycrafting discord, the breakpoint for critical is at 3,000 rating. After that you want to focus on power over critical rating.

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11.14.2019 , 01:15 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Mycroft-Tarkin View Post
How are you people actually calling Lightning OP? Sure, they have a bit more DoT (lol) damage which helps them fluff numbers, but they still get absolutely smashed by so many classes. They can't stay in LOS of a Sniper, or they'll get eaten up. They can't kite a Mara/Jugg for long enough to actually make a difference. They might be able to go face to face with a Merc, or kite Sins around for a bit but they could do those even in 5.0. Their strongest attack is on a 10s CD and does what, 40k with the set bonus boost? What am I missing?
It's the same people who are OK with the current Sin burst. They say that in theory Lightning is OP but niether of them is actually playing Sorc as they are busy with destroying people on thers Sins. From what I've experienced in SR sorcs are at the same spot as they were. If you let them free-cast and if player is good they can hurt. But they can't do a **** if you focus them even if player is good and die even faster with new OP burst from Sins. Main problem they can't do damage while trying to survive.