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Free Character Transfers Now Available On Select Servers

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Free Character Transfers Now Available On Select Servers
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Daethlok
06.15.2012 , 12:33 PM | #4131
i for one, DO NOT want Compensation!
i just want a Population!

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Xiahoufig
06.15.2012 , 12:33 PM | #4132
Quote: Originally Posted by BulldogzLife View Post
Why can't we demand compensation? That's your opinion without logical support. We are getting this service, which is currently being offered to only 80% of the population, while us in the remaining 20% aren't. Around a whole week will have gone bye where we in this 20% will have been unable to play the game, meanwhile paying the same subscription fees as those who are.

I'm just going to stop responding to you if you can't come up with a logical reason as to why we shouldn't be compensated, that I haven't already proven is so.
Should it just be us who are in that remaining 20% of servers (in both the US and EU) be compensated or should everyone who was not in that very first batch on Tuesday be compensated?
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xandax
06.15.2012 , 12:33 PM | #4133
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaavik View Post

It's not the same kind of data. The data from the past 6 months can't predict how many people will ACCEPT the transfer within a certain amount of time. In the forums there are posts by people who claim they refuse to leave their servers, there was one demanding to be sent back (which was REALLY weird). It also can't predict how many people will RE-subscribe, and be on one of those origin servers and ask to be transferred.

I understand you aren't getting the answer you want from me, which seems to be, THEY'RE incompetent and YOU are a victim. And in all honesty, that absolutely COULD be the case. But claiming that analyzing the previous 6 months of data is going to give them some kind of insight into a transfer process that wasn't available when that data was collected shows me that you aren't really trying to understand and you're just angry.

Which is completely understandable. It's a sucky situation and i hope they resolve it quickly for you.
A weekend can't tell it either, and the statistic sample will be too small compared to the actual population trends for pretty much anything.
What about the people who wait until next week to accept the transfer? Next weekend? Or the people who accepted the transfer but will stop playing next week, next weekend? Or the people who're not logging in this weekend?
One weekend will tell you nothing.

It's got nothing to do with being angry or any such thing you want to try and paint to invalidate the point.
It has to do with the metrics they gather and the trends they show. You can't take a single sample in time and expect that to be meaningful. It does not work that way. Despite you wanting to try and belittle the point.
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Xiahoufig
06.15.2012 , 12:38 PM | #4134
Quote: Originally Posted by xandax View Post
A weekend can't tell it either, and the statistic sample will be too small compared to the actual population trends for pretty much anything.
What about the people who wait until next week to accept the transfer? Next weekend? Or the people who accepted the transfer but will stop playing next week, next weekend? Or the people who're not logging in this weekend?
One weekend will tell you nothing.

It's got nothing to do with being angry or any such thing you want to try and paint to invalidate the point.
It has to do with the metrics they gather and the trends they show. You can't take a single sample in time and expect that to be meaningful. It does not work that way. Despite you wanting to try and belittle the point.
It's sort of darned if you do, and darned if you don't. If they chose to take that into consideration, transfers would then take months to complete as they do a batch, monitor the effects of the transfers in that batch and adjust accordingly. In the meantime, even more people would drop their subs (in theory) thereby keeping the cycle going full circle.
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06.15.2012 , 12:38 PM | #4135
Quote: Originally Posted by xandax View Post
A weekend can't tell it either, and the statistic sample will be too small compared to the actual population trends for pretty much anything.
What about the people who wait until next week to accept the transfer? Next weekend? Or the people who accepted the transfer but will stop playing next week, next weekend? Or the people who're not logging in this weekend?
One weekend will tell you nothing.

It's got nothing to do with being angry or any such thing you want to try and paint to invalidate the point.
It has to do with the metrics they gather and the trends they show. You can't take a single sample in time and expect that to be meaningful. It does not work that way. Despite you wanting to try and belittle the point.
I can just see next weeks message:

" As 3 of our customers were on summer vacation last week at the beach, we will be holding off any more transfers until Bob, Jim, and Salley get back and see if they transfer so we can monitor how there toons effect server population."

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Jaavik
06.15.2012 , 12:38 PM | #4136
Quote: Originally Posted by xandax View Post
In this instance, much more so than your analogy.
They know the numbers of active players and the population trend since launch.
They know the numbers of capacity of servers.
Adjust with number of expected returns (and no - one weekend will not provide any significant result)
Do the math.
Execute the result.
You're leaving out several factors:
  1. How many people only play during the weekend and would only be able to initiate the transfer then (possibly not aware since everyone doesn't monitor the forums)
  2. Even though the destination servers have been given the green light, how many of those ACTIVE players have actually accepted the transfer?
  3. Will they accept the transfer at all?
  4. How many people are going to re-subscribe once it gets out that the server populations are MUCH better? What happend with THEIR characters stranded on a dead server if the destination is full and their friends are there?
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mskinner
06.15.2012 , 12:39 PM | #4137
Jeezzzzz!!!! Mind Trick has been left out since the start can you guys PLEASE tell us SOMETHING!?!?! Our server may have A lot of People Number-wise at a glance but NO-ONE IS ON!! can't do any lowbie Flashpoints and HM Flashpoints are even harder to get groups for and PVP forget about it.....if its not Midnight EDT good luck on your wait to queue time, the Pub pop has always sucked now its slightly worse than it was before. All i ask is for some kind of info on whats going to happen with us? If you can Hook up heavily populated servers like Fatman and Jedi Covenant then surely you can hook us up too. BEFORE YOUR SHIFT IS OVER!!

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TellerRage
06.15.2012 , 12:39 PM | #4138
Hyperspace Cannon Facepalms and kneels in solidarity, to protest not being transferred and being among the 18% who are sentenced to wither away on a dead server for another weekend.

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mjmcooke
06.15.2012 , 12:40 PM | #4139
Quote: Originally Posted by BulldogzLife View Post
Why can't we demand compensation? That's your opinion without logical support. We are getting this service, which is currently being offered to only 80% of the population, while us in the remaining 20% aren't. Around a whole week will have gone bye where we in this 20% will have been unable to play the game, meanwhile paying the same subscription fees as those who are.

I'm just going to stop responding to you if you can't come up with a logical reason as to why we shouldn't be compensated, that I haven't already proven is so.
Because you are not entitled to it. If I have two friends, and I give one of them a gift, can the other demand compensation from me because I didn't give him a gift? Especially if I was already going to give him a gift next week? Why not? He's just as much my friend as the other.

And nothing is stopping you from logging in and playing the game. You could roll a new character on one of the destination servers, you could log into one of your old characters and do dailies or whatever, you could level up a low level alt if you have any. So saying you are unable to play the game is an invalid argument. You may not want do to do any of these things, and that is your choice.

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varrangian
06.15.2012 , 12:41 PM | #4140
I have a question that I am sure has been asked, but that I haven't seen answered directly. Canderous Ordo is my primary server, and I have a few characters on other servers. CO is a destination server for some of my characters on certain servers, but not for all of them (I'm specifically thinking of moving my Krayt Dragon characters). Why should it change the population metrics for me to transfer any of my characters to CO since I am already established there?

This seems like a no brainer to me to simply let people transfer character to servers where they have existing characters. They can create new characters on those servers as long as they have the slots any way, so how does allowing this change the population?