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Why do so many people support the Empire faction?

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Why do so many people support the Empire faction?

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EtherealSlasher
12.22.2016 , 07:55 PM | #1
One thing I have always wondered since playing this game is why do so many support the Empire? When playing through all 8 class stories as well as all the story content afterwards, I have a hard time seeing why so many people with different principles serve the Empire and even allowing the Sith to rule the empire.
You encounter people with principles that serve the empire to help people, but it openly endorses slavery and will not bat an eye to executing someone just for speaking out against it. You also have people who are so loyal that they would kill/imprison their own family members for the sake of their duty towards the empire. I just don't understand why a person with a good morality and respect for others would assist the empire.
Then you have the Sith order where most do not even care about the people of the Empire itself and often intimidates even the most high ranking and loyal individuals and people for some reason serve them despite their selfish and violent tendencies.
Now I know the Republic is not perfect, in fact, there are lots of things in the game that shows there are some corrupt individuals that take advantage of the people, but as a whole they support independence, equality, and respect towards those who are loyal to it.
I get that people would support the empire if they feel like the Sith are superior beings when compared to everyone else, but I'm sure all the moffs could easily gather the military that many sith treat like trash and make the empire a more respectable faction by booting them out or at least intimidate them into giving up their authority and find power elsewhere or just become a connection like the jedi are to the republic.

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SithKoriandr
12.22.2016 , 08:28 PM | #2
Moffs do it because they can usually avoid the ire of the Sith. Sith may consider themselves top of the food chain, but they don't tend to just execute Moffs willy nilly (directly anyways).

Other officers feel they can work their way up.

Other people just figure they need to make the best of a lousy situation.

What gets me, is when the players say it's the best with all that
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Wisemandragonexx
12.22.2016 , 08:50 PM | #3
Remember that the empire was completely isolated until it invaded the republic at the start of the trailers. As in, the rest of the Galaxy wasn't aware of the empire until it captured Korriban. Also, the Emperor is essentially revered as a god among his people up until Ziost and they've probably been indoctrinated in it's culture since birth, led to believe that the republic and aliens are the enemy's of a stable society.

A comparison could be made to Nazi Germany. For most of the time the Nazi's were in power, the people willfully ignored their atrocities and racism until the cognitive dissonance grew too high or were too intimidated to speak out against them (people were encouraged to tattle on their peers). It's not an out of the blue comparison either. The Galactic Empire and First Order are basically space Nazi's.

In regards to the sith and other supporters, a comparison could be made to the Nazi leadership. There were Nazi leaders who did confess that they didn't believe in the whole master race ideology and only went along with it for their career and profit. I'm willing to bet that many sith simply don't care about the empire beyond what it can do for them. They all want power, and only support the system because it's the best path to power available to most of them. Which since the Sith are power-hungry personified, leads to tons of infighting, backstabbing, betrayal and assassination. The implication is that Sith society is only barely holding itself together.

In the Book of Sith, Mace Windu actually deconstructs the whole "rule by strength" concept:

Quote: Originally Posted by Mace Windu
This system is only attractive for the kings. Those beneath them waste their gifts as slaves or pursue the narrow-minded goal of becoming kings themselves. Creativity and industriousness blossom under an open and free system like the Galactic Republic and those qualities inevitably triumph over the monomania of a dictator.

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BattlebloodMage
12.22.2016 , 11:34 PM | #4
I just check the infographic, and more people play as Sith characters. I personally love the Empire. Republic is so white bread, it's not like you can't play as the good guys in 2000 games out there already. Whenever possible, I love to play as the bad guys. Both Republic and Empire are evil in their own ways if you dive into the game deep enough. The Republic intentionally attack your alliance but secretly support you, they also experiment on aliens just like the Empire but hide it, they also intentionally use people for their own end, even if it would mean using them as the meat shields against the Empire. Yes, the Empire is evil, at least, they're not trying to try their evil and pretend they're the good guys when they're not. Plus, the story for the Sith Empire is just more intriguing with people backstabbing, secrecy, and exposing the Republic for the villain that they are. The game is not good vs. evil, it's who is the lesser of the two evil.

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Darth_Krushya
12.23.2016 , 12:29 AM | #5
In real life, I try to be a good guy. I have my issues, my bad days, etc. I try to respect others and so unto others as I would have them do unto me and such.

Sometimes, after a trying day, a play SWTOR and it's just fun to be the bad guy. I can lie, cheat, steal, and kill and get away with it. The Empire faction is a stress relief sometimes.

I have all 8 classes and all 16 advanced classes. I do enjoy playing the good guy too. I get to be self-righteous and save the galaxy and do good deeds. Sometimes it makes me feel good.

The Republic is fun for me, but the Empire is just more so.
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SithKoriandr
12.23.2016 , 01:45 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by BattlebloodMage View Post
I just check the infographic, and more people play as Sith characters. I personally love the Empire. Republic is so white bread, it's not like you can't play as the good guys in 2000 games out there already. Whenever possible, I love to play as the bad guys. Both Republic and Empire are evil in their own ways if you dive into the game deep enough. The Republic intentionally attack your alliance but secretly support you, they also experiment on aliens just like the Empire but hide it, they also intentionally use people for their own end, even if it would mean using them as the meat shields against the Empire. Yes, the Empire is evil, at least, they're not trying to try their evil and pretend they're the good guys when they're not. Plus, the story for the Sith Empire is just more intriguing with people backstabbing, secrecy, and exposing the Republic for the villain that they are. The game is not good vs. evil, it's who is the lesser of the two evil.
I'd say it's not the lesser of two evils, but rather "The Good Guys with a few bad apples" vs "The Bad Guys with a few good apples"

A lot of the bad apples in the Republic happen to be high ranking individuals though.

Then of course, there are lots of just innocent people trying to live a decent life.

Though, as mentioned in another post, as Elara states herself (and I believe other NPCs) the Empire did give false information about the Republic. Kept their people in line. The Empire is bad and terrible sure, but the Republic is worse!

The Empire is North Korea, except the Empire's leader really is close to being a god
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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EtherealSlasher
12.23.2016 , 01:55 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Krushya View Post
In real life, I try to be a good guy. I have my issues, my bad days, etc. I try to respect others and so unto others as I would have them do unto me and such.

Sometimes, after a trying day, a play SWTOR and it's just fun to be the bad guy. I can lie, cheat, steal, and kill and get away with it. The Empire faction is a stress relief sometimes.

I have all 8 classes and all 16 advanced classes. I do enjoy playing the good guy too. I get to be self-righteous and save the galaxy and do good deeds. Sometimes it makes me feel good.

The Republic is fun for me, but the Empire is just more so.
You misunderstand, I was asking why do certain types of people in the game support the Empire not why players play for the Empire. Most of my playtime is on the Empire's side and I typically find the 4 Empire classes much more interesting, but whenever I try to play a "good" character it just doesn't make sense why individuals who value equal respect for others or genuine unity support the Empire.
There are many intelligent and level headed characters that are proud to fight for the Empire and supporting the notion that the Sith are superior to everyone else.
My LS Inquisitor until KOTFE when he became the leader of his own faction and saw that he could do much more good if he cut ties with the Imps and Sith and just did his own thing with the Alliance was for the Empire despite the fact that he was a slave within it and was forced to go through the sith trials on Korriban and experience betrayals and senseless violence wherever he went. The only path good Inquisitors have is attempting to reform the Empire, but the core ideals of the Empire and the Sith will not change no matter how hard he tries to tell them "this is not necessary" or "there are other ways to do this."
Eventually my good Empire class characters always conflict with what the typical Imperial/Sith pushes you to do and think whereas with the republic's general culture which is to bring each other up and not cause needless violence when there are clearly other ways to solve certain issues, my Imp characters find they are treated much better compared to the treatment of their own Imperial allies. Of course the jedi certainly have their shortcomings as do the republic. Many jedi hop on the sith hate train where the instant they see a sith they automatically assume they are purely evil and the pubs with their disorder and corruption, but you can't really blame the jedi for assuming due to the typical sith being power hungry anything to get what I want sort of people and no society will ever be absent of corrupt officials, but the moment their corruption is made public the republic will be imprison or execute the the official depending on the severity of their crimes whereas the sith and some Imperial officers are openly corrupt and brutal, but the Empire disregards them so long as they are powerful.
What I am saying is that it just seems nonsensical unless most of the imperials are brainwashed/conditioned into being unsympathetic towards the non imperial, blindly following authority no matter what most of the time, and taking extreme methods for the sake of being extreme to rp a character who thinks they are truly doing the right thing in supporting the Imps to take down the pubs. And if it's true that the Empire has not had much outside influence for a long period of time I suppose it would make sense that people within the Empire just naturally accepting the Empire as the faction in the right.
To summarize, there are a lot of good people in the Empire but the Empire in general does not even try and justify its methods (slavery, execution on failure/displays of weakness, prejudice towards all things not Imperial, etc.) and I just find it really strange for those people to be like "For the Empire!" despite this.

Edit: post above me described what I was trying to say. Ty for simplifying things

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cool-dude
12.23.2016 , 03:33 AM | #8
No idea. You'd think over time the imperial military would get tired of cleaning up the messes of Sith, and dealing with revolts.
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Paulsutherland
12.23.2016 , 03:35 AM | #9
I prefer the stories of the Empire classes than the Republics.

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Aeneas_Falco
12.23.2016 , 07:50 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Moffs do it because they can usually avoid the ire of the Sith. Sith may consider themselves top of the food chain, but they don't tend to just execute Moffs willy nilly (directly anyways).

Other officers feel they can work their way up.

Other people just figure they need to make the best of a lousy situation.

What gets me, is when the players say it's the best with all that
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