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Kaggath Battlegrounds Heats - Galactic Alliance vs Phantom Hegemony

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Kaggath Battlegrounds Heats - Galactic Alliance vs Phantom Hegemony

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Aurbere
10.18.2014 , 05:34 PM | #801
Quote: Originally Posted by karadron View Post
In that case he could be said to be simply diminishing his presence in the Force. Even then it took a Force Bond to find him. Also add to that he has the ability to completely cut himself entirely from the Force--to an extant that even those he had Force Bonds with believed him to have died.


After thought: Even then Bulq had been a good friend of Tholme for years beforehand, and familiarity makes things a whole lot easier.
Sora Bulq did find him, though. That's when they had their fight and Tholme escaped.

Besides, I'm just saying that a considerably more powerful Force user like Lumiya should be able to detect him, at least partially.
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karadron
10.18.2014 , 05:39 PM | #802
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Sora Bulq did find him, though. That's when they had their fight and Tholme escaped.

Besides, I'm just saying that a considerably more powerful Force user like Lumiya should be able to detect him, at least partially.
Bulq only found him because he was in a main room making a call to Aayla. After that Tholme spent a little over five months doing what he pleased. And if he did cut himself off completely from the Force there would be no way for Lumiya to even sense him. Then it's just a matter of doing his own thing. Let's say she sense something weird in the Force she doesn't know Tholme is involved, and if she finds him he either escapes or fakes his death. He's done both more than enough times to prove its possible--and once was in a very similar location to the PH's base.

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Beniboybling
10.18.2014 , 05:40 PM | #803
Quote: Originally Posted by karadron View Post
It does not seem like an idea that any of the leaders in the PH would think of. Even then blowing the volcano would only be an option for the GA if it appeared that everyone was doomed any ways. Infiltrating and killing the leadership and causing general mayhem would be more than an option though.
Setting off the volcano they are sitting under would not occur to evil, diabolical masterminds? Uh-huh.

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.

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karadron
10.18.2014 , 05:42 PM | #804
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Setting off the volcano they are sitting under would not occur to evil, diabolical masterminds? Uh-huh.

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.
But...but...mass destruction is so much fun.


After thought: Nothing is stopping the GA from setting off bombs inside the volcano though, just not with the intent of making it erupt. Landing zones, catwalks, doorways all viable targets.

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Selenial
10.18.2014 , 05:50 PM | #805
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Setting off the volcano they are sitting under would not occur to evil, diabolical masterminds? Uh-huh.

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.
The point of that rule is to stop a Space win being an auto win, but agreed, Let's let Aurbere decide and end this.
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Aurbere
10.18.2014 , 09:14 PM | #806
I'm going to pop in real quick and say that no volcanoes will be going off during this battle.
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Silenceo
10.18.2014 , 09:17 PM | #807
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I'm going to pop in real quick and say that no volcanoes will be going off during this battle.
What about during the finale?
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karadron
10.18.2014 , 09:18 PM | #808
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What about during the finale?
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LadyKulvax
10.18.2014 , 10:55 PM | #809
"The B2 droid was significantly more advanced than the B1 and proved a much more equal foe for Clone troopers on the battlefield."

"When armies of B2s were deployed en masse, the Republic was hard-pressed to hold it's own."

"Due to being far less numerous, the B2 could not apply numbers well against the Republic as the CIS commanders preferred using them as support for the far weaker B1."

"The B2 truly proved itself when deployed vastly against a singular target, almost nothing could halt an advance of these droids when deployed in the hundreds."

"The CIS became considerably more difficult to defeat as the outer rim sieges came to a close, with B1 factories across the galaxy being shut down and captured by the Grand Army, the B2 became the focus of what mass production remained in the separatist forces. Sieges went from weeks to months, Felucia being a shining example."

B2s are bad *** and even the 501st would have difficulty fighting 1:2.5 against them.
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Beniboybling
10.19.2014 , 06:27 AM | #810
OK back on topic I'd like to address two things.

1. Repairing the Malevolence.

If the damage is too great for onboard repair droids to fix the bridge, there is no need to ship the Malevolence all the way to Geonosis. Between Ziro, Baktoid and Imperial Intelligence I am sure that they can acquire the necessary parts and have them shipped to Ord Mantell in good time. And if need be send some techs to have them fitted.

Its not going to be an issue, and once the Malevolence is up and running it can defend Ord Mantell alone. Freeing up the remaining fleet to protect Geonosis and be ready to move against the Bothans if diplomacy proves unsuccessful.

2. Infiltrating the Separatist Base, I don't think the Alliance has the capabilities to pull this off effectively, here's why.

Firstly, Alliance SpecForce are not designed for this, they are elite troops, but they are not infiltrators, they are front lines troops. They have no specialized means of avoiding detection, and no experience in doing so, whatsoever.

Lumiya will see it coming. Lumiya is a master strategist and herself a highly qualified Imperial agent. She will consider every angle, and she will be prepared for every eventuality. And she will soon gain knowledge of Tholme and Jaina's existence. Especially if she manages to gain Bothan support, and as the Alliance is slowly inflitrated by informants and spies they may even get word of the plan itself, and so she'll put various countermeasures in place.

Indeed she is well versed in setting lethal traps, and with the help of Imperial Intelligence security will be state of the art, it won't be enough for Jaina to simply shut down a few cameras. They'll have to evade motion detectors, laser alarm systems, hidden pressure plates, surveillance drones, get through ray shields, blast doors, pit fall traps etc.

And of course, every possible target will be well guarded and littered with traps waiting to be sprung.

It will be Lumiya's intellect against there's, and in my opinion she comes out on top. At the very least if they manage to get to Lumiya and confront her she will already know they are coming and be well prepared for a showdown.