Neptune Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Making a new thread based off similiar to Best class for beginners. This is a question asked for your honest opinion or experience so please answer truthfully of what you think is the hardest class to play. My opinion is Sentinel and Marauders. They're hard to catch up when the skills keep showing up. You had to focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvad Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Marauders / Sentinels, no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmcbo Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 never tried marauders/sentinals, but smugglers/agents seem to have a pretty complex combat system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfishcjp Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I have a Bounty Hunter and a Marauder. I can definitely tell you my Marauder is harder to play by a ton. I'm pretty good with my Marauder as well. I get joy from both classes in their own way. Like for instance if I want to pvp and easiliy rack up more damage/kills, I play my Bounty Hunter - this is easy mode warzone play. But if I want a challenge and run the Hutt Ball, put single target pressure I play my Marauder. Edited December 18, 2011 by bigfishcjp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmcbo Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 not trying to start an arguement, but what's so hard about marauders? agents/smugglers seem to me as the only classes that require thought in combat besides knowing what to attack and who needs a heal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thordomr Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 It depends on what part of the game your referring to. In pvp Knights/Warriors are hard at early levels and even at higher cause you need to stay within melee range were as all other classes can hit you at rage all day and CC you so you can't hit them while they continue to hit you. In pve they are not all that hard to play as long as you watch your cool downs and rage/focus cause typically mobs don't run away from you. the only thing that would make another class harder in pvp to play would be a healing class if played as a healing class cause the Raid frames are currently broken and there are no macro's to assist in targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyAsh Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 not trying to start an arguement, but what's so hard about marauders? agents/smugglers seem to me as the only classes that require thought in combat besides knowing what to attack and who needs a heal I have a L21 Marauder and L29 BH merc. I find Marauder harder to play because: 1) Bad UI. Keeping track of how many rage i have plus animation delays, it can get pretty bad. Also, when you trigger a skill and you dont have enough rage, there is no audio feedback such as "Not enough rage (like in wow)". Also, dodge/block animations seems to cancel active skills, which I found very annoying. No event based indicator that tells a conditional skill is usable. You have to keep an eye on the action bar. 2) Too Squishy. It does feel a bit weak (at least at low levels). But mainly UI. UI is not polished enough, it's not flexible enough. Icons are small, when global cooldown is active, t does not show which abilities can be activated, icons look similar to each other and more. And top of this, I do think there are few bugs here and there. For example, I had instances where I enter into berserker mode after spending 30 rage, and find out that the buff is gone after 1 sec. Also, telling whether your chracter is still in berserker mode is confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyAsh Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Definitely, game is not as responsive as WoW. I had multiple instance where I thought and saw the animation of a channeled skill was finished executing and activated a new skill to find out that due to early activation, my previous channeled skill didnt deliver the last blow. For example, ravage is a 3 second channel where at the end of it duration delivers a blow with two light sabers. I see the animation of the final blow to go off and hear the sound on a target with minimal health, so switch target and activate a new skill to find out the previous target didnt die because ravage was cancelled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthbored Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 lmao i was under the impression smuggler/IA was "hardest". i dont see how marauder/sentinel can be hard at all, even my wife who has no video game experience made a marauder and found it insanely easy to master. On the other hand she made a smuggler and quit by lvl 7 saying she doesnt understand the combat mechanics. and i agree with her, marauder is simple. especially in pvp IA/smuggler requires a lot more focus than other facerolling classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgiffo Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Sentinel/Marauder is probably the hardest, but imo Guardian/Juggernaut are a pretty close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterforge Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 None are hard, but some are complex. Gunslinger/Sniper I would say are the most complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McVade Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Marauders / Sentinels, no contest. I'm a 17 Sentinel and I agree... so far anyway. So many buttons to push. My Bounty Hunter simply pushes 1 button every 2-3 pulls, Death from Above, all dead. And 1 of those in between pulls is Fusion Missile + Explosive Dart + Mop up. No such I-Win Buttons for my Sentinel. I don't think I care though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McVade Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 lmao i was under the impression smuggler/IA was "hardest". i dont see how marauder/sentinel can be hard at all, even my wife who has no video game experience made a marauder and found it insanely easy to master. On the other hand she made a smuggler and quit by lvl 7 saying she doesnt understand the combat mechanics. and i agree with her, marauder is simple. especially in pvp IA/smuggler requires a lot more focus than other facerolling classes. Well, unless your wife is different from my girlfriend (or you just don't like getting anyway, lol) you're probably grouped with your wife quite a bit. Being grouped makes a lot of a Sentinel/Marauders weakness go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrengregory Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm a level 20 sentinel and there is quite a bit to keep track of. With this said, I think that once you're comfortable with all your abilities it really isn't that tough. Besides Master Strike which is a 3 second channel that you can't move or press other buttons during, everything is pretty straight forward. Feels pretty similar to a combat rogue or fury warrior from WoW. There are a lot of cooldowns but a lot of your abilities are situational (decrease healing to target, slow target). If you are just DPS'ing, your rotation is pretty standard. I actually made this guy just because I thought he looked ****** and was planning on making a toon with a bit more utility but I might see how this guy plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teioh_White Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 My Jugg is a bit of a pain to play at 50, mostly because he has so many abilities to keep track of. I've got 3 hot bars on the screen and hotkeyed, and I still had to leave a few abilities off. This mostly stems from absolutely nothing on Jugg (and perhaps Mara) actually replacing any other ability, just being another situational skill. Leaves Jugg with only a lose 'rotation', and more like a priority system of what to mash, making it hard to zone out. Also, as mentioned above for marauder,, you have to have your face buried in the hotkey bar to keep track of your rage, as unlike the other classes, it isn't something you worry about only as it's getting low, it's constantly going up and down. Additionally, and while I think it's a bug, parry/dodge makes some (but not all) of my attacks decide to not fire, though often still consume my GCD, meaning I have to watch the bar to make sure my stuff actually fired, as even the on screen animation isn't certain. Also, having to make sure I'm near the mobs, and that any important mob is on me, while I also need to keep my head buried in the hotkeys, as mentioned above, makes me work more than I have in any other MMO. Dunno if all the classes have these issues, but it does make Juggy seem a bit more intensive to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonerjohn Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have a 50 jugg and 27 scoundrel. The jugg is by far harder to play. They have way too many situational abilities. A macro system like in Rift would really improve the class. I spend more time staring at the cooldowns on my hotbar than the actual fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchyblack Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I think the problem here lies in the diffrent playstyles of some of these classes. Most people are looking for "whoever kills the fastest with the least button pushes" and then try to play a class like a marauder and cant figure out why solo pve and pvp is so...diffrent. Marauder isnt a new type of class or role by any means. Its the standard issue beserker. This class trades off the line burst dps in turn for long fight sustained dps. Once the marauder builds up to get his "rotation" going and his procs built, theres no slowing it down as its attacks replenish its ability to use special skills and attacks. My guess is that once people start parsing raid bosses, your going to see the benefits of this class. While those high burst range DPS are running out of energy the marauders will be dishing out the same dps the entire duration of the fight with no down time. For solo pve and "solo" pvp (as most people play it it seems) this type of role is weak, as people run and you die, losing the built rage and benefits, as well as proc stacks ect. in a group for pve i can see their charges being very usefull Ive exceeded the typical attention span so heres the standard issue TLDR: Not harder, excels in diffrent applications * diffrent meaning not solo pve and pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakMorgan Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It depends what you mean by 'hardest'. In terms of resource management I'd say that Sawbones Scoundrel is probably the most difficult since you're essentially watching two resource 'bars' (energy AND upper hand) to get your heals off...and its probably requires the lowest of margin of error compared to other healing classes. In terms of solo-ability I've found the Sniper to be a nightmare at times - not only because you're so cover-dependent, but also because your first tank companion becomes increasingly useless as the levels goes on, making almost every fight literally a fight for survival...sure it keeps things interesting but its mostly down to imbalances if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliuz Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Out of lvl 47 Assassin and lvl 47 Maradaur, i have to say that the Maradaur is extremely hard in comparison. Done quests at lvl 44 with the Assassin that in no way i could finish with my lvl 47 Maradaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakPreston Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Marauder/Sentinel, especially Carnage/Combat spec in PvP. No stuns, no pushbacks, 1 gap closer only and really low total dps 'cause of low uptime on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhak Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Depends heavily on the spec of the class as well. I enjoy my Pyrotech Powertech but damn was there a learning curve for PvP...your primary source of damage, Rail Shot, is essentially proc based. Trying to micromanage heat (Pyrotech being the least heat-friendly of all 3 specs by far), ability CDs, CD-refresher procs, and DoTs on the target can be complicated enough in PvE. Trying to do all that in PvP means also reacting to your opponent, throwing taunts on as many of the opposing team as possible, and managing your CC abilities carefully. Playing Pyrotech in PvP definitely took some getting used to... That being said I also played a marauder up to 30 in the beta weekends and that was kinda hairy too. But only because they're so much squishier and have to worry about that as well, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 next to a trooper they all feel harder to play. trooper is straightforward, tough, has the least amount of abilities and all of their companions use aim stat heavy armor making them ALL stupid easy to keep geared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomness Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Depends heavily on the spec of the class as well. I enjoy my Pyrotech Powertech but damn was there a learning curve for PvP...your primary source of damage, Rail Shot, is essentially proc based. Trying to micromanage heat (Pyrotech being the least heat-friendly of all 3 specs by far), ability CDs, CD-refresher procs, and DoTs on the target can be complicated enough in PvE. Trying to do all that in PvP means also reacting to your opponent, throwing taunts on as many of the opposing team as possible, and managing your CC abilities carefully. Playing Pyrotech in PvP definitely took some getting used to... That being said I also played a marauder up to 30 in the beta weekends and that was kinda hairy too. But only because they're so much squishier and have to worry about that as well, imho. But doesn't pyrotech get a skill that applies a dot outright, and a talent that makes flame burst auto-apply burn? It's not really proc-based when you can guarantee the necessary effect is in place every time it's off CD. (Shield tech does this easily with Rocket Punch, for instance) That said, for the imperial side I'd say IA or SW for sure, since they have the most difficult skill sets to manage. IA needs to worry about cover (That said, sniper only needs to move a lot in pvp...), while Warriors have to build up rage to do anything. All told, I'd go with SW in general, just because of the rage mechanic. All the other classes can rest up between fights and then unload like crazy. Warriors reset to basic attacks only when they rest... (Though on my marauder at least I can get to a high rage count easily with charge>battering). Also, spec matters a ton here. They can play VERY differently. Edited December 31, 2011 by Randomness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zokyc Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I play gunslinger and for me that isnt hard class to play. Its fun for PVP and must say i dont die (a lot) in PVE. Fun class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBoga Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) i think marauder/sentinel, not to toot my own horn but all i've seen are really good and really bad marauder players, and i'd like to think i'm one of the good ones. i think marauder is a pretty awesome class, though it obviously has clear pros and cons. one of the biggest problems is cooldowns and procs. Mara really makes me think of my WoW character, a Frost death knight - the most important thing is managing your cooldowns resource and procs for insta-crits and the like. but this is severely hampered by the UI. right now i have two procs, execute and blood frenzy. if i want to know when to use them, i actually have to look at the tiny tiny icons above my health, instead of a skill 'lighting up'. not only that, but after checking all the skills i get by lvl 50, i actually need more keybinds than the 2 bars in the center. Edited December 31, 2011 by DarthBoga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts