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June PvP Report

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bladech
Today , 10:30 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
I love how you're all steaming a guy for something you all told me was impossible/didn't exist even though I had personally heard it happening.

Choosing when to queue based on prior knowledge enabled by in game mechanisms isn't, technically, cheating. It is only cheating, per the rules, if he purposely looses for his friend. If all he's doing is queuing on a new/less used toon while his high rated friend also happens to he queueing, technically, that's not cheating.

He can't guarantee that he will be with his friend. If he consistently does, it's not against the rules, it's simple queue manipulation.
Iam glad someone understands this. This is no difference as when some skilled healer asks his friend to queue as healer knowing his friend isnt that good on healing class while not asking him to throw of course or when someone saw a bad tank queueing for mats and relogs on his tank to farm him or when operative see that there are heal games going on so he fast relogs to his marauder and gets in heal games while everyone knows marauder is a better class for heal games than oper. Or when dot oper asks his friends or anyone else on fleet to queue tanks since this spec is pretty good in tanks games due to aoe pressure and healing support it can provide. Or as we do just queue on lowrated characters when our friends queue on highrated to greatly increase chance to get in one team and both get elo.

In all these cases NO ONE isnt throwing for anybody or even asks for it. No tos breaking, no punishment, impossible to prove anything. Just manipulations with dumb matchmaking system.

How and for what do you think that well-known manipulative guild on DM server appeared? Of course thanks to obvious matchmaking system. If you want to fix it remove matchmaking based on elo, NOTHING ELSE you can do.

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bladech
Today , 10:31 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
(bold added for emphasis)
NO WINTRADING AND NO THROWING. CaPs locked it for you

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JediMasterAlex
Today , 10:43 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by bladech View Post
This is no difference as when some skilled healer asks his friend to queue as healer knowing his friend isnt that good on healing class while not asking him to throw of course
If they both queue with the understanding that the better healer is getting boosted by the worse healer, you're right, there is no difference, and that is also as bad as wintrading.

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or when someone saw a bad tank queueing for mats and relogs on his tank to farm him
That is completely different. There is no coordination, no intent to boost anyone's rating.

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or when operative see that there are heal games going on so he fast relogs to his marauder and gets in heal games while everyone knows marauder is a better class for heal games than oper.
Again, completely different. No coordination, no intent.

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Or when dot oper asks his friends or anyone else on fleet to queue tanks since this spec is pretty good in tanks games due to aoe pressure and healing support it can provide. Or as we do just queue on lowrated characters when our friends queue on highrated to greatly increase chance to get in one team and both get elo.
So, again, this is wintrading. As soon as you start coordinating with other people or conspiring to boost people by queue syncing, you are in the wrong.

Can you really not see the difference? You really shouldn't be allowed to queue ranked if you can't.

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In all these cases NO ONE isnt throwing for anybody or even asks for it. No tos breaking
Just blatantly not true. See responses above.

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impossible to prove anything.
So here's the real issue. Except you've admitted it on the forums. Oops.

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NO WINTRADING AND NO THROWING. CaPs locked it for you
No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet.

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KendraP
Today , 11:07 AM | #84
Isn't the intent of practically everyone who does ranked to increase their rating?

The very fact /who exists undermines ranked, even if you are queueing solo. If you have, at any point, decided not to queue because you knew someone who could beat you was queueing, you're undermining the queue.

Also, I've been posting about queue manipulation for literal months, if not a year. The argument we had recently was not my first post on the subject.

Using game mechanics to manipulate the system in such ways undermines the meaningfulness of ratings, yes. But it is not against the rules. I mean, someone had to code the ability for you to open the /who menu and look for arenas, right? Someone coded the system that matches low ranked toons with high ranked ones. Working within that system to make it better for you is simple human nature. Does it undermine the intent? Yes. But its not something ban-worthy.

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foxmob
Today , 11:35 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by merovejec View Post
Heh just check Group ranked ratings, if like gold tier will be 1750 its ridiculous that people will get top 3 reward with 1500 rating
I don't follow your point. could you explain it to me? also, the exact numbers requirements would necessarily have to be different for solo and group as they already are in elo tiers. but other than that, I'm not sure what you're saying.
Krack

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JediMasterAlex
Today , 11:39 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
Isn't the intent of practically everyone who does ranked to increase their rating?

The very fact /who exists undermines ranked, even if you are queueing solo. If you have, at any point, decided not to queue because you knew someone who could beat you was queueing, you're undermining the queue.

Also, I've been posting about queue manipulation for literal months, if not a year. The argument we had recently was not my first post on the subject.

Using game mechanics to manipulate the system in such ways undermines the meaningfulness of ratings, yes. But it is not against the rules. I mean, someone had to code the ability for you to open the /who menu and look for arenas, right? Someone coded the system that matches low ranked toons with high ranked ones. Working within that system to make it better for you is simple human nature. Does it undermine the intent? Yes. But its not something ban-worthy.
Add another reason to the list of why I'm glad you don't queue ranked. Everyone's intent is to increase their OWN rating...and they are only allowed to do so legitimately. in Bladech's case, the intent wasn't to increase his own rating, but to boost his high rated friend.

I've already explained to you why you're wrong about /who. Go back and read that other thread. If you are queueing as an individual dps, nothing you can do with /who is going to make a big difference, and it isn't actually manipulating anything, not to mention the totally legitimate, non-underhanded ways of using it.

What Bladech has described involves manipulating the queue with multiple people in a coordinated fashion. How can you not see the difference? You don't think that conspiring to queue sync and boost people should be ban-worthy? You think it's the same as typing in /who and merely looking at the names of people queueing? People on this forum still shock me sometimes. This is such a simple issue.

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JediMasterAlex
Today , 11:40 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
I don't follow your point. could you explain it to me? also, the exact numbers requirements would necessarily have to be different for solo and group as they already are in elo tiers. but other than that, I'm not sure what you're saying.
He's saying that at this rate some players will get top 3 without having reached the rating to get gold.