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Who else wants to see HS and RR spamming stop?

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Who else wants to see HS and RR spamming stop?

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TonyTricicolo
01.03.2020 , 03:56 PM | #11
They should add fragments to heroics since they reset daily as well. It would give more options to people.
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DeannaVoyager
01.03.2020 , 05:08 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewAlberts View Post
Since 6.0 launched, it has become very popular to spam Hammer Station and Red Reaper to essentially accelerate the raising of the iRating to get better gear. Small problem; not everyone wants to play these same flashpoints over and over again, yet as long as these spammers use Group Finder, there will always be times when that is the case. It has gotten so bad that I just flat out leave a group whenever these two show up. It shouldn't be this way. Other players I have spoken to about this issue feel, as I do, that this behaviour is toxic and needs to be stamped out, yet the devs are content to let it continue. I am starting this thread so that others can talk about their experiences with dealing with players that do this. It's a place to vent, really.
If I have to pug MM FP, and HS pops, I will also drop the group immediately, swap toon and queue again. If only the people who want to farm those two FPs would know how to play, then sure, I'd probably go for it. But you can see who can, and who can not on the trash before the first boss. I'm not completely against HS and RR, I've even done it a few times with guildies to get them the bonus boss cheevo. The difference is, those guys know what they are doing. Average HS monkeys are both clueless and toxic, and I have no reason to waste my time with jerks like them.


Clueless = they don't know the kill order on second boss, instead they insist corner pulling them, and having everyone eat the flamethrower while hitting the shielded guy. If someone dies, it's "healer's fault"...

Toxic = when you tell them why there is no point corner pulling them in MM, or who to kill first, they will get verbally abusive. They don't even want to learn or get better. They just want to force people to play their way.


What I usually do when there's not enough guildies to go with, I form a group on fleet, so that I'll know for sure it's gonna be random. Or if we can form a group of 2-3 players, we ask someone to queue with us, the queue filler drops after the pop, and then we just finish it with companions. If someone has a second account, that can also be used to fill the group for GF.

But yes, HS and RR farmers are a cancer, and they have ruined GF and pugging from me, and several other people I've talked with.

Best solution indeed would be to let people tick off the flashpoints they don't want to do without losing the GF rewards, or make two separate queues: one for players who want to do random FPs, and another one for people want to handpick the easiest ones. Everyone would be happy. I wouldn't mind a legacy wide "ignore account" function either, because then I could weed out the HS farmers one by one for all my toons with just one click.
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JediQuaker
01.04.2020 , 08:05 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DawnAskham View Post
Call my behavior toxic all you want - this is a developer created problem and I feel no obligation to waste my time because they cannot be bothered to balance difficulty, time and rewards.
Why don't you post your character name(s) and server so we can all add you to our Ignore list to avoid wasting our time. 🙄
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Larsenex
01.10.2020 , 01:13 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by DeannaVoyager View Post
If I have to pug MM FP, and HS pops, I will also drop the group immediately, swap toon and queue again. If only the people who want to farm those two FPs would know how to play, then sure, I'd probably go for it. But you can see who can, and who can not on the trash before the first boss. I'm not completely against HS and RR, I've even done it a few times with guildies to get them the bonus boss cheevo. The difference is, those guys know what they are doing. Average HS monkeys are both clueless and toxic, and I have no reason to waste my time with jerks like them.


Clueless = they don't know the kill order on second boss, instead they insist corner pulling them, and having everyone eat the flamethrower while hitting the shielded guy. If someone dies, it's "healer's fault"...

Toxic = when you tell them why there is no point corner pulling them in MM, or who to kill first, they will get verbally abusive. They don't even want to learn or get better. They just want to force people to play their way.


What I usually do when there's not enough guildies to go with, I form a group on fleet, so that I'll know for sure it's gonna be random. Or if we can form a group of 2-3 players, we ask someone to queue with us, the queue filler drops after the pop, and then we just finish it with companions. If someone has a second account, that can also be used to fill the group for GF.

But yes, HS and RR farmers are a cancer, and they have ruined GF and pugging from me, and several other people I've talked with.

Best solution indeed would be to let people tick off the flashpoints they don't want to do without losing the GF rewards, or make two separate queues: one for players who want to do random FPs, and another one for people want to handpick the easiest ones. Everyone would be happy. I wouldn't mind a legacy wide "ignore account" function either, because then I could weed out the HS farmers one by one for all my toons with just one click.
There are a lot of folks like this in game. I would like to gently remind everyone that we all are here to enjoy the game. I returned after being away from the game for 3.5 years. I am one of those 'spammers' and the reason is to gear up as fast as possible.

I used to do Hardmode (master mode now?) weeklies and bear with it. But now the new bar to succeed is 306. While I get and understand that a good player can succeed in crap gear if they just now how to play. However, I am still relearning what I forgot. I do not consider myself a poor player. I am a returning one that remembers wiping repeatedly on Maanan and on Blood hunt, oh man do I!
Before I start cueing up for Mastermode, I really want to be in the best gear I can so that when i forget stuff and make mistakes > sheer dumb arse dps can sometimes make up for it.
I spam HS as it is the simplest way to get gear. I cue up with my (also returning friend) who is a tank and I run heals. Fast, fast fast.

I am more than happy to learn Master mode content but both of us are in an inactive guild and have not been able to talk to anyone to teach us.

Anyway, I just wanted you to know there are other players who are there to have fun, gear up and (at least for me and my friend) not be a detriment to your enjoyment of the game.
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alexzk
01.10.2020 , 02:25 PM | #15
Fun thing is ...those 2 aren't best
Best (for stealther) is Cademimu. I started by shadow tank with 258, made 306 in 3 days alone.
Also ...tech fragments are split for party. So if u solo then u have 4x more fragments at the end.
Later did that one by sent alone too, just to try. Took 38 mins by sent.

So well, if you dont like HS- just turn it off. I usually have LI / Kaon only when I want GF.
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JediQuaker
01.10.2020 , 02:36 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Larsenex View Post
I am more than happy to learn Master mode content but both of us are in an inactive guild and have not been able to talk to anyone to teach us.
The main difference between VM flashpoints and MM flashpoints is the lack of koltos, so you have to rely on the group's healer and your own defense skills.
The difficulty level is basically the same, except sometimes there are additional mechanics to some boss fights. For example, in the final boss fight of Cadimemu the "shackles" are used in MM, whereas they're not in VM. If not sure, just ask.

The main thing to worry about in MM is remembering that there are no koltos. Also, wait for the tank to attack first. 🙂
(I queued for both VM and MM flashpoints through GF the other day. Hammer Station popped and I proceeded, as a DPS Guardian, to attack the first couple of groups, even before 1 of the players has zoned in, and then I had to apologize in chat that I hadn't notice it was MM 🙄 😏 )

Actually, for a long time after they implemented VM and MM, I only did VM because I was worried about trying MM (even though I had done "hard mode" in the past). It turns out that, if you can do VM comfortably, you should have no problem with MM.
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Petnil
01.10.2020 , 03:02 PM | #17
I definitely think more rewards should be added to the FP's that take longer to finish. That or just make a bossdrop cd of 10-15 min. plus bonus boss always drop decoration, final boss always loot. That way HS would only have 2 lootdrops for most groups and a FP like maelstrom would have 3, maybe even 4 if it's a slow group plus a decoration if you opted for bonus boss.

Also i think all bosses should at least drop something, even if it's just a bag of trade goods.

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alexzk
01.10.2020 , 03:52 PM | #18
...well, yday I tried 1st ever time uprisings ... of coz i started from master
Well, I was able to do 1 of whole list only alone.

Those are NOT scaled - so you have all ur 75 stats and gear. And 3x more enemies then FPs. And ... some BAD loot at the end. This thing should be fixed.
Overall, if somebody look for a challenge - go try uprising master.

Also as mobs are 75 you can gather there mats ...like old days - droids, monsters etc.
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DeannaVoyager
01.10.2020 , 06:16 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Larsenex View Post
Anyway, I just wanted you to know there are other players who are there to have fun, gear up and (at least for me and my friend) not be a detriment to your enjoyment of the game.
That's the thing: you want to have fun, but so do I, and I personally don't consider spamming HS and nothing but HS fun. I understand that you are not comfortable going random MM if you haven't played lately, but by the time HS farmers will want to go for something else, GF will be dead, or full of people who are clueless about some key mechanics. People who are sick of HS are forming their own groups outside GF, and there won't be many left who can teach the fights to new people.

Considering you only pick HS and the likes of it from the list, how about make a group of 2-3 people on the fleet, and go with a high level companion healer. You don't have to use GF to do HS, if you are not interested in GF rewards, and you wouldn't be forcing random queuers to join your handpicked HS.

Today I was farming renown ranks with 2 mates and a pug. We got Nathema MM. One dps was lvl 72, but the rest of the group was 75. Granted, I had to swap to proper tank gear before last boss instead of skanking it, but we one shot everything, and nobody died. We also did Bloodhunt, with the same lvl 72 dps, could have been 73 by then, and one shot everything without deaths.

So MM FPs are not as difficult as you might think. Everything dies if people follow mechanics and know how to play. If there is someone in the group that I don't know, I always ask if they know what to do, and always explain the fight if needed. If they are willing to listen and pay attention to what is happening around them, even unexperienced players can do harder stuff. Heck, we even managed to kill Copero bonus boss on second try with a healer who had never done it before. He had never gotten past second boss with other groups. Yesterday we also got Battle of Rishi, and went for Mokan because three of us knew the fight. Healer (again) had never done it, but we killed it on 3rd try, because he was listening to the instructions, and followed them. He even asked extra questions after we killed it, because he wanted to understand everything. Then again, I've tried the same bonus bosses with more experienced players and ran out of patience after wiping over and over again to the same thing.


If you decide to go for something else than HS, and don't know the fights, people are usually happy to help as long as you tell them in advance, or ask for advice. They also have a lot more patience for mistakes, if they know you are not familiar with the fight. So go for it, try something else for a change. You might enjoy it
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bgstranger
01.11.2020 , 02:42 AM | #20
I think the most common reason to end up with HS, Athiss, Cademimu and KDY is that lowbies got only these 4 flashpoints in activity finder by the level of 30 (not sure, when you got Taral/Boarding party).
So, this is your chances when you group with sub-30.