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Red: There is no such statement to that effect. there is only a statement from GL that palpatine was the strongest but there were only ever 5 sith as far as GL knows or cares. So when talking about EU characters you have to look at facts.

 

 

There is a statement where he says that in his SW universe, nothing happens afterwords. 2 universes, One where the movies happen and that's it, The other one where all of the EU happens.

 

When making EU char vs. Movie char threads you gotta count all EU.

 

And you should really read the Dark Empire series, Luke states there that Vader couldäve killed him if he wanted to.

 

 

Palpatine never learned to extend his life with the force. Thus the need to clone himself.

 

 

Here you go!

 

He mastered Essence Transfer, A force ability that allowed you to trnasfer your essence into another host body, Yes he needed clones but he didn't need the power of old relics and other sith lords.

you did not adress the fact he was dieng because he couldn't extend his life

 

 

Vitiate was over 1000 years old and could make other people immortal also.

 

 

With the help of old relics and the power of 100's of other sith lords..

 

 

Palpatine was unable to recruit luke or galen and couldn't enforce loyalty in vader.

 

 

Yet he created the GE, that purged 99% of the Jedi order and ruled the entire galaxy for over 20 years..

 

 

Vitiate ruled over thousands of sith for 1000 years as the supreme ruler of all sith.

 

 

Did he rule the entire galaxy?

No..

 

Did he destroy 99% of the jedi order?

No..

 

 

Palpatine was able to transferhis consciousness to a specially made clone.

 

Vitiate could possess people outright through astral projection while keeping his real body alive.

 

Being near Palpatine could make you fall to the dark, He is some sort of Dark Side Nexus. Just being in his presence makes you nearly fall..

Then why couldn't he recruit galen or luke?

 

 

Could Vitiate do that? Yes That is how Revan fell

 

 

so tell me again how palpatine was "100 times far stronger" (which is very bad grammar) or more powerful than vitiate.

Could Vitiate..

 

Create wormholes with the force? Probably

Fry planets with force lightning? Almost definitely since nihilus and many others from vitiate's time who were weaker could kill whole planets and even revan did so.

Destroy starfleets with the force? Again Probably it's not hard size doesn't matter in the force if you can destroy a vase you can destroy a starship.

Drain planets of lives? Yes that's how vitiat became immortal

Mind wipe the entire population of Coruscant? no need he could just kill them.

 

Do the above WITHOUT the help of relics, ancient artifacts or teh power of other sith lords?

Palpatine couldn't Destroy 99% of the jedi without the power of other sith lords so failed argument

 

Read, Dark Empire series.. Rather Not read another pile of crap that just does what every sequel does add more powers and bigger explosions and more sex appeal.

 

So uh next time how about responding below instead of trying to block your responses from being quoted because I will bring it here anyways. And maybe move on with your dreams of palps was better the end. because the title doesn't say revan vs sideous or vitiate vs sideous or vader vs sideous or vader vs vitiate or sideous vs vitiate. This is REVAN Vs. VADER.

 

If you wanna add new people to the equation the Galen Marek and vader and revan lose to him so face otherwise keep it to vader and revan

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So uh next time how about responding below instead of trying to block your responses from being quoted because I will bring it here anyways.

 

Good to know.

 

And maybe move on with your dreams of palps was better the end.

 

He is canonically the most powerful sith lord to ever exist..

Ignoring that fact shows how much knowledge of the StarWars lore you got.

 

because the title doesn't say revan vs sideous or vitiate vs sideous or vader vs sideous or vader vs vitiate or sideous vs vitiate.

 

Then stop bringing in new people to defend your precious Revan, or to make Vader look weak. You brought in Starkiller, who has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

This is REVAN Vs. VADER.

 

Good to know.

 

If you wanna add new people to the equation the Galen Marek and vader and revan lose to him so face otherwise keep it to vader and revan

 

No, nobody else besides Revan & Vader.. Revan lost in the last thread. Then you brought in Starkiller saying how he would beast on both of them just because you lost your argument, somehow we got Sidious in again.

 

I don't even know what you are trying to argue here, Are you trying to say that Starkiller wins over Vader?

 

That Sidious is weaker than Vitiate?

 

That Revan is stronger than Vader?

 

I'll ask you one last time..

 

Could Vitiatie do any of these things WIHTOUT the power of 100's of other sith lords?

 

Drain planets of life?

 

He had tons of help, plus he couldn't control himself. Palpatine kept his ability under control, Vitiate was planning to consume the galaxy.. talk about control.

 

Create wormhoels with the force?

 

No, he never did that, there is no point where he does it in his life time. You saying "probably" doesn't change that fact.

 

Fry planets with lightning?

 

No other sith lord has done that..

 

Mind wipe trillions of people?

 

No, he couldn't do that.. takes alot more focus and power to actually erase trillions of people's minds instead of just eating them.

 

Palpatine had 1 sith lord helping him, 1 sith lord that lead the attack on the jedi temple. Rest were clone troops killing jedi, Still it was him behind it all, He planned what was gonna happen.

 

You could say that Vitiate planned his power stealing ritual carefully and therefore is legit, But Palpatine never enhanced his powers, His goal was to kill the jedi and took over the galaxy, Vitiate's goal was to enhance his powers a little bit so he could consume a planet. Something Palpatine could already do without any buffs.

 

Vitiate had the help of 100's of other sith lords in his ritual JUST to extend his life..

Big difference between 1 & 100.

 

Back to topic, Vader wins.

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I'll ask you one last time..

 

Could Vitiatie do any of these things WIHTOUT the power of 100's of other sith lords?

 

Drain planets of life?

 

He had tons of help, plus he couldn't control himself. Palpatine kept his ability under control, Vitiate was planning to consume the galaxy.. talk about control.

 

Create wormhoels with the force?

 

No, he never did that, there is no point where he does it in his life time. You saying "probably" doesn't change that fact.

 

Fry planets with lightning?

 

No other sith lord has done that..

 

Mind wipe trillions of people?

 

No, he couldn't do that.. takes alot more focus and power to actually erase trillions of people's minds instead of just eating them.

 

Palpatine had 1 sith lord helping him, 1 sith lord that lead the attack on the jedi temple. Rest were clone troops killing jedi, Still it was him behind it all, He planned what was gonna happen.

 

You could say that Vitiate planned his power stealing ritual carefully and therefore is legit, But Palpatine never enhanced his powers, His goal was to kill the jedi and took over the galaxy, Vitiate's goal was to enhance his powers a little bit so he could consume a planet. Something Palpatine could already do without any buffs.

 

Vitiate had the help of 100's of other sith lords in his ritual JUST to extend his life..

Big difference between 1 & 100.

 

Back to topic, Vader wins.

 

answered above in green but ok lets go again.

drain a planet of life yes that how he became immortal in the first place your argument is palpatine could control himself better but palps was not immortal.

 

fry a planet with lightning? palpatine was the 37th sith lord to wipe out an entire planet. sure palpatine used lightning but others used darkness heat cold and life drains or in the less impressive version a bomb but hey sideous had a death star so can't be too picky.

 

Create wormhoels with the force?

 

No, he never did that, there is no point where he does it in his life time. You saying "probably" doesn't change that fact.

^this. You can't say at no point in his lifetime because there is no proper account of vitiate or what he did or could do he appeared briefly in revans book and even then that may have just been another possessed person.

 

And seriously how does consume all life in the galaxy and become god rank below make a wormhole in your opinion I mean wormholes are easy watch star trek sometime they didn't have magic force powers and made them all the time or stargate. so for me consume the life essence and power of an entire galaxy on purpose doesn't show lack of control it shows ambition.

 

Really for all you know vitiate is palpatine because he could body jump forever or maybe the real palpatine died on the death star and all the op awesomeness that followed was vitiate possessing palpatine's clone. there is no evidence that vitiate ever died.

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answered above in green but ok lets go again.

drain a planet of life yes that how he became immortal in the first place your argument is palpatine could control himself better but palps was not immortal.

 

Essence transfer is immortality.. -.-

 

He can't die of age, his body does but his spirit lives on and finds a new host body. Vitiate is in the same 1.000 year old body that he was in before. They are both immortal but in different ways.

 

fry a planet with lightning? palpatine was the 37th sith lord to wipe out an entire planet. sure palpatine used lightning but others used darkness heat cold and life drains or in the less impressive version a bomb but hey sideous had a death star so can't be too picky.

 

Wait, What?

 

What was the point of that post?

To somehow prove that Vitiate is more powerful than Palpatine because Palp had a death star?

 

 

 

Create wormhoels with the force?

 

No, he never did that, there is no point where he does it in his life time. You saying "probably" doesn't change that fact.

 

^this. You can't say at no point in his lifetime because there is no proper account of vitiate or what he did or could do he appeared briefly in revans book and even then that may have just been another possessed person.

 

We don't have Palpatine's entire records, or Ankain for that matter..

 

I could say "Vader blew up the galaxy then put it back together, it might be possible since we don't know if it happened or not.."

 

That way I can make Jar Jar the most powerful being in teh galaxy by saying he did things that we can't know he did.. see how failed your logic is?

 

And seriously how does consume all life in the galaxy and become god rank below make a wormhole in your opinion I mean wormholes are easy watch star trek sometime they didn't have magic force powers and made them all the time or stargate. so for me consume the life essence and power of an entire galaxy on purpose doesn't show lack of control it shows ambition.

 

Fail 1. Comparing this to Star Trek

 

Fail 2. Ignoring what I said.

 

Vitiate didnät have control over his ability, He has to try to consume all life in teh galaxy. Palpatine also has the same ability but can control it, he has no need for killing all life in the galaxy.

 

Really for all you know vitiate is palpatine because he could body jump forever or maybe the real palpatine died on the death star and all the op awesomeness that followed was vitiate possessing palpatine's clone. there is no evidence that vitiate ever died.

 

For all I know Revan and Vader could be the same person..

Maybe Revan became one with the force, Then re-appeared in Shmi's belly.. He came out as Anakin?

 

We'll never know, will we?

 

^ See how failed your logic is?

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^^^

 

*** are yous even arguing about? This is Vader vs Revan.

 

This is spite anyway, Vader wipes the floor with Revan.

 

People have explained to him countless of times that Vader wins, but then he says "Starkiller wins" out of nowhere.. Somehow we got into Vitiate vs. Sidious and I just can't stop replying to him..

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Force crush vaders breathing box and fights over. Most ppl in vaders time were really stupid. They let palpatine play them all. Mace even knew aniken was haveing a hard time with that fight and he still went all crazy on palp. What a dumbas. Revans far beyound the fools of that time. He would look at vaders slow stupid looking self. Then look at his ***** helm. Lol a bit. Then forcecrush his breathing box. Fight over. Revan takes a nap. Edited by MajinEddie
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Red: There is no such statement to that effect. there is only a statement from GL that palpatine was the strongest but there were only ever 5 sith as far as GL knows or cares. So when talking about EU characters you have to look at facts.

 

 

Look at the facts eh? I am about to hand you your ***. Prepare to be "pwned".

 

Obviously you never read Dark empire.

 

 

That and the fact that Vitate needed rituals and trinkets which takes time to accomplish most of his feats. Palpatines power all comes from within himself.

 

1) Palpatine can create hyperspace wormholes(force storms) from his own power that are powerful enough to destroy an entire planets surface and wipe out an entire star fleet killing tens and thousands of soldiers.

2) His very existance caused an imbalance in the force.

3) His lightning killing off 50 storm troopers in one single blast and reducing 3 sith acolytes powerful enough to being maul back from he dead to charred ashes.

4) Force blinding 10 000 jedi

5) His mere presence on byss turning "one of the most lush and fertile planets" into "one of the galaxys most powerful dark side nexus".

6) Constantly draining billions of people on byss while keeping them alive

7) Being respected and being bowed to from the ancient sith

 

 

"The Ancient Sith pown new age Sith" don't believe it. It's totally crap and baseless. Naga Sadow, one of the most infamous Ancient Sith, did really nothing except throw a brick with The Force. The accounts of him blowing up stars is clearly stated to be done through his Flagship's technology. This tech could be used by even weaklings lin the Force.

 

The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:

 

 

"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."

-- Death Star, page 76. Emphasis mine.

 

"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."

-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book). Emphasis mine.

 

"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."

-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

 

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

 

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

 

Empire's End, one of the Ancient Sith spirits on korriban: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

 

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

 

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

 

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

 

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

 

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.

 

 

A dying palpatine in empires end was able to blast a hole and instantly killed a jedi with lightning who tried to attack him while mortally wounding the other.

 

 

 

 

 

I do. Palpatines true form has been stated to be pure dark side energry, he has been stated to be a dark side nexus and even a blackhole in the force. Vitiate's prowess is far less when compared to Palpatine.

 

 

 

Palpatine never learned to extend his life with the force. Thus the need to clone himself.

 

Vitiate was over 1000 years old and could make other people immortal also.

 

Palpatine was unable to recruit luke or galen and couldn't enforce loyalty in vader.

 

Vitiate ruled over thousands of sith for 1000 years as the supreme ruler of all sith.

 

Palpatine was able to transferhis consciousness to a specially made clone.

 

Vitiate could possess people outright through astral projection while keeping his real body alive.

 

so tell me again how palpatine was "100 times far stronger" (which is very bad grammar) or more powerful than vitiate.

See the above, you just got your *** handed to you young boy.

 

To put it very simply, anything Vitiate can do, Palpatine can do better without the aid of trinkets or rituals, that and at his peak he can move at speeds faster than the eye can see. That and Palpatine actually dominated the entire galaxy while vitiate only controlled the sith empire.

 

Last but not least he has also been stated to master almost every single force technique by the time of dark empire and being able to devise new ones at his pleasure. It is an undisputed fact that Emperor Palpatine is the absolute most powerful sith lord in SW history, absolutely NOBODY comes to his level of power(except that cosmic entity abeloth) and id argue that not even Luke would be able to put him down easily.

 

Even the great Galen marek got overwhelemd in the dark side ending with little effort from sidious

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Look at the facts eh? I am about to hand you your ***. Prepare to be "pwned".

 

Obviously you never read Dark empire.

 

 

That and the fact that Vitate needed rituals and trinkets which takes time to accomplish most of his feats. Palpatines power all comes from within himself.

 

1) Palpatine can create hyperspace wormholes(force storms) from his own power that are powerful enough to destroy an entire planets surface and wipe out an entire star fleet killing tens and thousands of soldiers.

2) His very existance caused an imbalance in the force.

3) His lightning killing off 50 storm troopers in one single blast and reducing 3 sith acolytes powerful enough to being maul back from he dead to charred ashes.

4) Force blinding 10 000 jedi

5) His mere presence on byss turning "one of the most lush and fertile planets" into "one of the galaxys most powerful dark side nexus".

6) Constantly draining billions of people on byss while keeping them alive

7) Being respected and being bowed to from the ancient sith

 

 

"The Ancient Sith pown new age Sith" don't believe it. It's totally crap and baseless. Naga Sadow, one of the most infamous Ancient Sith, did really nothing except throw a brick with The Force. The accounts of him blowing up stars is clearly stated to be done through his Flagship's technology. This tech could be used by even weaklings lin the Force.

 

The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:

 

 

"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."

-- Death Star, page 76. Emphasis mine.

 

"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."

-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book). Emphasis mine.

 

"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."

-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

 

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

 

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

 

Empire's End, one of the Ancient Sith spirits on korriban: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

 

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

 

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

 

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

 

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

 

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.

 

 

A dying palpatine in empires end was able to blast a hole and instantly killed a jedi with lightning who tried to attack him while mortally wounding the other.

 

 

 

 

 

I do. Palpatines true form has been stated to be pure dark side energry, he has been stated to be a dark side nexus and even a blackhole in the force. Vitiate's prowess is far less when compared to Palpatine.

 

 

 

See the above, you just got your *** handed to you young boy.

 

I saw palpatine get tossed over a lil gate by a burnt up old guy who cant move verry well. Cant breath verry well and crys alot. Why dident he do some super DBZ mega wormhole move there to save himself? I know i know the books for ppl who like garbage says he came back n blha blha. He killed goku. Then satan now he rules the universe but lost to a punk who only trained for 2 years name luke. Wow those books suck.

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I saw palpatine get tossed over a lil gate by a burnt up old guy who cant move verry well. Cant breath verry well and crys alot. Why dident he do some super DBZ mega wormhole move there to save himself?

Because even the most powerful force users(Galen,Yoda,Luke,Revan etc etc) get their asses kicked when they are caught completely off guard?

 

 

Don't tell me the great mike tyson wont get knocked down if somebody ambushed him and caught him offguard with a knife.

I know i know the books for ppl who like garbage says he came back n blha blha. He killed goku. Then satan now he rules the universe but lost to a punk who only trained for 2 years name luke. Wow those books suck.

Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.

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Because even the most powerful force users(Galen,Yoda,Luke,Revan etc etc) get their asses kicked when they are caught completely off guard?

 

 

Don't tell me the great mike tyson wont get knocked down if somebody ambushed him and caught him offguard with a knife.

 

Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.

 

I think hes mad. Why are SW fans so angry? Thats why gorge hates you all lol. Man i like these forums.

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Ok, seriously, this shouldn't be an argument. EVERY WRITER WHO HAS EVER BEEN A PART OF SW HAS SAID THAT SIDIOUS IS THE STRONGEST SITH EVER.

 

That being said, I STILL think Revan could beat Vader because of everything that Vader had hampering his abilities; BUT GM Luke, who is less powerful than his father's original POTENTIAL, but is quite possibly more powerful than Sidious reborn, would tear Revan apart, meaning that if Vader had NOT lost the battle on Mustafar to Obi-Wan, he would have torn Revan apart without breaking a sweat.

 

But as it stands Vader is said to be about 80% of Palpatine (Pre-Cyborg had the potential to be 200% of Sidious)

 

It's never specifically said, but I believe Malak was approx Vader's strength when empowered by the Star Forge (meaning that naturally, he'd be far weaker than Vader), which would mean that Revan is at least slightly stronger. But, that's just opinion.

 

 

Also, anyone who wants to say you can't use EU lore for Sidious or Vader: Lucas doesn't consider ANYTHING in the EU to be canon, so Revan doesn't even exist in his eyes, so it's ALL EU, shut up.

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For all I know Revan and Vader could be the same person..

Maybe Revan became one with the force, Then re-appeared in Shmi's belly.. He came out as Anakin?

 

We'll never know, will we?

 

^ See how failed your logic is?

 

Revan and Vader are the same person. At least from an archetypal standpoint.

 

Was a Powerful Jedi. Check

Was a Powerful Sith. Check

Became Good again. Check

 

If you look at Revan's story vs Vader's story objectively you would see the effectively are the same person just in a different set of circumstances in a different time.

 

Revan was made to be like Vader.

 

And seriously quit accusing everyone that doesn't buy into all that dbz bs post rotj of being a revan fanboy. lucas has in film and in games setup a realm of what people could do with the force. Palpatine using lightning was the best sith power ever manifested in these examples. GL setup the rules that only the weak minded could be force persuaded even people as powerful as yoda and palpatine had to deal with that as a solid rule of existence that is why he couldn't just brainwash luke galen or vader to follow him blindly and why he couldn't brainwash the rebel leaders into turning over their friends. but in a book palpatine erased the memories of an entire planet which we know at least some of them were not weak minded. a majority of the post rotj books read like DBZ instead of star wars I beleive that the force never granted that kind of power or the mandolorians would not have been a match for any jedi or sith but throughout history regular people killed jedi/sith like the clones did with order 66. The people who became one with the force were ghosts that couldn't interfere. that was the GL version of more powerful than you can imagine.

 

 

And No We Don't Want to Read The Dark Empire Series Because We could Watch Hundreds of Episodes of Dragonball and Get the Gist of it.

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Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.

 

All of the novels were terrible with exception of the novelizations of the movies and shadows of the empire. Everything else was garbage. I enjoyed kotor not because of revan but because I got a lightsaber and could play a star wars game. I have played every star wars game. I have not and would not read those trashy novels. I read the wokiepedia on palpatine vader luke revan vitiate galen marek and so on to see what they could do and what was considered g canon and c canon and from that decided those books would be a waste of time for anyone to read. I have a friend with a genius level intelect that finished high school at 12 I brought this up to him and he had no experience with anything not in the movies but I had him read all the info on wookiepedia about Vader and Revan and he says based solely on the information there he would say revan wins.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vader for vader

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan for revan

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Revan and Vader are the same person. At least from an archetypal standpoint.

 

Was a Powerful Jedi. Check

Was a Powerful Sith. Check

Became Good again. Check

 

If you look at Revan's story vs Vader's story objectively you would see the effectively are the same person just in a different set of circumstances in a different time.

 

Revan was made to be like Vader.

 

And seriously quit accusing everyone that doesn't buy into all that dbz bs post rotj of being a revan fanboy. lucas has in film and in games setup a realm of what people could do with the force. Palpatine using lightning was the best sith power ever manifested in these examples. GL setup the rules that only the weak minded could be force persuaded even people as powerful as yoda and palpatine had to deal with that as a solid rule of existence that is why he couldn't just brainwash luke galen or vader to follow him blindly and why he couldn't brainwash the rebel leaders into turning over their friends. but in a book palpatine erased the memories of an entire planet which we know at least some of them were not weak minded. a majority of the post rotj books read like DBZ instead of star wars I beleive that the force never granted that kind of power or the mandolorians would not have been a match for any jedi or sith but throughout history regular people killed jedi/sith like the clones did with order 66. The people who became one with the force were ghosts that couldn't interfere. that was the GL version of more powerful than you can imagine.

 

 

And No We Don't Want to Read The Dark Empire Series Because We could Watch Hundreds of Episodes of Dragonball and Get the Gist of it.

 

Then what are you trying to argue?

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All of the novels were terrible with exception of the novelizations of the movies and shadows of the empire. Everything else was garbage. I enjoyed kotor not because of revan but because I got a lightsaber and could play a star wars game. I have played every star wars game. I have not and would not read those trashy novels. I read the wokiepedia on palpatine vader luke revan vitiate galen marek and so on to see what they could do and what was considered g canon and c canon and from that decided those books would be a waste of time for anyone to read. I have a friend with a genius level intelect that finished high school at 12 I brought this up to him and he had no experience with anything not in the movies but I had him read all the info on wookiepedia about Vader and Revan and he says based solely on the information there he would say revan wins.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vader for vader

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan for revan

 

LOL..........Revan doesnt stand a chance buddy, I dont care what your friend with a "genius level intelect" says. Vader lived in the time when Jedi/Sith were at their peak and very close/equal to Yoda who IS confirmed to be the strongest jedi ever pre-luke. These Vs threads get old, seriously.

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LOL..........Revan doesnt stand a chance buddy, I dont care what your friend with a "genius level intelect" says. Vader lived in the time when Jedi/Sith were at their peak and very close/equal to Yoda who IS confirmed to be the strongest jedi ever pre-luke. These Vs threads get old, seriously.

 

Wrong it is a canon fact that the jedi were weaker in this time than almost any other having not been tested in their lifetimes. yoda was the only one who may have had real experience fighting a sith ever before ep 1. the jedi of that time period were weak and nothing more than glorified cops. eg they failed to sense sideous while he was in the same room and lost to clone troopers meanwhile in the old republic the jedi exterminated the mandolorians who were as well trained as the clones were. I'll give that boba fett personally may have been better. but the other clones weren't.

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Mmm, i really find it hard to take alot of the hype about Vader. Lets look at it properly...

 

Young Vader lost to Obi. Obi was not as powerful as Yoda (otherwise he would have been sent to kill Palp), yet was able to defeat Vader. As a result, Vader loses half his body and thus a huge potential of power.

 

It would seem to me that despite all this "potential" talk the following is obviously true:

 

Palp > Yoda > Obi > Vader.

 

Given that, i have real issues placing Vader above Revan, i think it would come down to which version of Vader. Pre-Obi beating Vader? Might be a contest and who knows. Post? Meh, too much damage to those mechanical parts and the fight is over.

 

Edit: And before people throw facts about the Chosen One's potential, again, potential doesnt win fights and this is about who would win in a 1v1

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Force crush vaders breathing box and fights over. Most ppl in vaders time were really stupid. They let palpatine play them all. Mace even knew aniken was haveing a hard time with that fight and he still went all crazy on palp. What a dumbas. Revans far beyound the fools of that time. He would look at vaders slow stupid looking self. Then look at his ***** helm. Lol a bit. Then forcecrush his breathing box. Fight over. Revan takes a nap.

 

Just a reminder.

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Wrong it is a canon fact that the jedi were weaker in this time than almost any other having not been tested in their lifetimes. yoda was the only one who may have had real experience fighting a sith ever before ep 1. the jedi of that time period were weak and nothing more than glorified cops. eg they failed to sense sideous while he was in the same room and lost to clone troopers meanwhile in the old republic the jedi exterminated the mandolorians who were as well trained as the clones were. I'll give that boba fett personally may have been better. but the other clones weren't.

 

No...?

 

GL has stated that the Golden Age of the Jedi was TCW Era.

 

And if you don't want to acknowledge GL statements then I'll just point out a few veyr Powerful Jedi during the TCW Era

 

 

Obi-Wan

Yoda

Anakin

Mace

Plo Koon

Aayla Secura

 

Just a few at the top of my head.

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Maybe mandolorians can decide this Vader had blaster deflecting armor and fought 1 mandolorian to a draw. Revan wore cloth robes and killed hundreds. Hmmmm?

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm? Vader was fighting the greatest bounty hunter and greatest Mandalore SW has ever seen.

 

Mando's aren't that great considered Ahsoka Tano Beheaded 4 of them at the same time with ease.

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All of the novels were terrible with exception of the novelizations of the movies and shadows of the empire. Everything else was garbage. I enjoyed kotor not because of revan but because I got a lightsaber and could play a star wars game. I have played every star wars game. I have not and would not read those trashy novels. I read the wokiepedia on palpatine vader luke revan vitiate galen marek and so on to see what they could do and what was considered g canon and c canon and from that decided those books would be a waste of time for anyone to read. I have a friend with a genius level intelect that finished high school at 12 I brought this up to him and he had no experience with anything not in the movies but I had him read all the info on wookiepedia about Vader and Revan and he says based solely on the information there he would say revan wins.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vader for vader

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan for revan

 

You do know that Wookieepedia gets all of its info from The Novels right?

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