ArchmageMC Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 So I hear that some classes can dispel a Sentinal's DoTs (Cauterize and the like) due to them being elemental, yet those same classes CAN'T dispel a Marauder's DoTs (Rupture and the like) because they're internal. Is this true and what classes are the offenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenzali Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Cauterize/Rupture are both physical effects I believe and can be cleansed by Mercs/Commandos, Ops/Scoundrels, and Sorcs/Sages. Sorcs/Sages require a special talent in the healing tree though. Edited December 13, 2012 by Jenzali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanouss Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 just another reason to play focus/rage, no dispellable dots...ba dump bump...pshhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenzali Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 just another reason to play focus/rage, no dispellable dots...ba dump bump...pshhh! Well, Sorcs/Sages can dispel Force Crush/Force Exhaustion for whatever that's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) just another reason to play focus/rage, no dispellable dots...ba dump bump...pshhh! Pretty sure the 31 talent is dispelable by sages. Edited December 13, 2012 by Smashbrother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteAssasin Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Well, Sorcs/Sages can dispel Force Crush/Force Exhaustion for whatever that's worth. Worth a lot since it denies you shock waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanouss Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 the spec doesnt soley rely on damage from exhaustion, thats just one way to build singularity, youi still have choke and zen to build it. where as annhi/watchman it is almost totally relying on dots for damage..again, focus ftw ba dump bump...psh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 the spec doesnt soley rely on damage from exhaustion, thats just one way to build singularity, youi still have choke and zen to build it. where as annhi/watchman it is almost totally relying on dots for damage..again, focus ftw ba dump bump...psh The spec relies on the 31 talent to proc singularity, which makes the sweeps hurt. The damage from it is also pretty substantial, but it's mainly used to proc singularities for those bombs. W/o it, focus spec is luls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalainnia Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 The dumb part is that 31 talent has an insane slow on it so its effective vs everything other than a sorc(but thier butts r squishy) an operative with evasion up, who wastes it on that? and an assassin which should be able to kill the juggie/mara anyway:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteAssasin Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 the spec doesnt soley rely on damage from exhaustion, thats just one way to build singularity, youi still have choke and zen to build it. where as annhi/watchman it is almost totally relying on dots for damage..again, focus ftw ba dump bump...psh Sorry but that's not true. Watchman is not primarily dots, anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't played the class. As far as force crush goes, while it may not be the only method of gaining shockwaves, if your choke or enrage are on CD, a cleanse will shut you down for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorac Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Sorry but that's not true. Watchman is not primarily dots, anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't played the class. As far as force crush goes, while it may not be the only method of gaining shockwaves, if your choke or enrage are on CD, a cleanse will shut you down for a while. In case of a Juggernaut/Guardian, yes. Sentinels/Marauders can build Centering/whatever the Imperial version is called (Fury?) so quickly, however, that they suffer a lot less from Exhaustion being cleansed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanouss Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Sorry but that's not true. Watchman is not primarily dots, anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't played the class. As far as force crush goes, while it may not be the only method of gaining shockwaves, if your choke or enrage are on CD, a cleanse will shut you down for a while. OK enlighten me, where does "most" of watchmans damage come from? If you dont say Dots, then you pbviously havent played watchman, most of the tree is deling with increasing the damage/heal ability, or crit chance of those dots, not to mention the dot slow ability...Not mostly form dots, srsly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 OK enlighten me, where does "most" of watchmans damage come from? If you dont say Dots, then you pbviously havent played watchman, most of the tree is deling with increasing the damage/heal ability, or crit chance of those dots, not to mention the dot slow ability...Not mostly form dots, srsly? I always thought it was centered around DoTs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdragonragexx Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 My damage on my marauder comes from DOTS due to berserk always being up. So rupture + deadly saber does the most damage. Second would be ravage plus annihilate which makes for a powerful burst. So I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteAssasin Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) OK enlighten me, where does "most" of watchmans damage come from? If you dont say Dots, then you pbviously havent played watchman, most of the tree is deling with increasing the damage/heal ability, or crit chance of those dots, not to mention the dot slow ability...Not mostly form dots, srsly? I think you need to go play it again to see what you missed. My damage on my marauder comes from DOTS due to berserk always being up. So rupture + deadly saber does the most damage. Second would be ravage plus annihilate which makes for a powerful burst. So I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Ravage isn't even a priority for annihilation. If all you're using is that and anni then you're doing it wrong. Edited December 13, 2012 by PoliteAssasin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anishor Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Highest DPS for Annilation is Deadly Sabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenzali Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Highest DPS for Annilation is Deadly Sabers. Also of note that Deadly Sabers seems to be physical as well, and a single cleanse can remove both Deadly Sabers and Rupture with only one cast. Edited December 13, 2012 by Jenzali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinxDuff Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 For Anni/Watch DoTs are indeed a big chunk of our damage output, especially with zen popped. The rest just comes from slash and merciless slash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilTsar Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 rupture and the deadly saber dots are both fast, 6 second duration, so its not like most sorcs or snipers where an early cleanse can really negate a lot, especially coupled with the 'next 3 melee attacks' nature of deadly saber and cleanse cooldown meaning at best you'll negate maybe half of the potential damage, and at the expense of not straight healing whatever moves theyre using to place the dots. its kind of like the powertech 100% proc of combustible gas from flame burst. theres just no real defense against it (except resilience) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantemoq Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 mercs/commandos can dispell marauder and sentinel dots every 6 sec for 8 heat. but i'm pretty sure everyone already knows that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) rupture and the deadly saber dots are both fast, 6 second duration, so its not like most sorcs or snipers where an early cleanse can really negate a lot, especially coupled with the 'next 3 melee attacks' nature of deadly saber and cleanse cooldown meaning at best you'll negate maybe half of the potential damage, and at the expense of not straight healing whatever moves theyre using to place the dots. its kind of like the powertech 100% proc of combustible gas from flame burst. theres just no real defense against it (except resilience) Healers just use the cleanse when they're moving and can't use a casted heal. Removing mara's dots also means they aren't healing themselves and their team. Edited December 14, 2012 by Smashbrother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanouss Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @ToiletAssasin You're wrong. Proven again and again by other people, parses, and your lack of ability to prove where most of the damage comes from if not from dot's. Deadly Saber/rupture is where most of the damage comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criminalheretic Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Sorry but that's not true. Watchman is not primarily dots, anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't played the class. As far as force crush goes, while it may not be the only method of gaining shockwaves, if your choke or enrage are on CD, a cleanse will shut you down for a while. Run a parser man, you'll cry when you see what % of your total damage comes from bleeds/burns. It's like 30-40%. Now imagine a Sage cleansing 40% of your damage every 4.5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellrochell Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 lol you obv have never parsed a ahni mara. Bleed effects do the most damage so yes, most of your dps comes from dots. If it doesn't, you're playing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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