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I am disappointed to see the cross realm LFG tool being talked about as a future addition to the game. I was really hoping to keep that out of TOR just because of it's ability to destroy community in a game. I would be all for LFG server wide but cross realm is a no go for me.
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Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.

 

I'm already seeing "LF Tank for Heroic X, must be geared, quick good run". Gotta love a ladder run gear progressions system when the communities don't let people progress up it.

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Yanno, I once asked a friend of me who has played WoW for years if the LFG tool really did kill the community like everyone said. His response was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What community?!"

 

I think that says everything.

 

That is exactly what i dont understand......exactly HOW will it kill the community? Not being able to add to your ignore list? Why does it matter...I simply don't understand how spamming General chat is a better community then just clicking a button and going to smash things into oblivion for fun....

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I'm already seeing "LF Tank for Heroic X, must be geared, quick good run". Gotta love a ladder run gear progressions system when the communities don't let people progress up it.

 

Just wait till we start seeing the main bodies of raid guilds recruiting only their friends or geared referrals that've applied on their guild forum, gone through whatever interview process the guild administrative body thinks is good and calling for pugs in general gets you pilloried for a half hour.

 

Ahh, the good* ol' days.

 

 

*: terrible

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I'm already seeing "LF Tank for Heroic X, must be geared, quick good run". Gotta love a ladder run gear progressions system when the communities don't let people progress up it.

 

Very good point. I already see some of those that are against a DPS meter due to elitist reasoning also against Cross Server LFG. A lack of a "Dungeon Finder" causes more elitism on any one server than a dps meter would ever cause. The gear requirement for most groups now are you have to have out-geared the place to get in our group because we want an easy run for the daily.

 

A lack of a LFG will hurt newcomers more than veterans who are already established in their guilds and run dungeons with their buddies. It also hurts casual players more than hardcore.

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Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.

 

My guess is that there will be 100 threads about afker bots and ninjas the first week after they add a LFG. They all will be telling Bioware to fix it asap.

 

How many of those threads do you see pop up now? Not many but you will when LFG comes around.

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That is exactly what i dont understand......exactly HOW will it kill the community? Not being able to add to your ignore list? Why does it matter...I simply don't understand how spamming General chat is a better community then just clicking a button and going to smash things into oblivion for fun....

 

Because the servers can not police themselves. In a LFG system the bad player that afks or ninjas can continue to keep doing it. Without a LFG auto invite system the player that does this will get the reputatation and after a while will not get invited to any groups because of what he did.

 

What it also adds is the people who will begin ninjaing stuff because they got stuff ninjaed from them.

 

There is no good that comes from a auto invite LFG system its just Bioware asking for 10x more problems then they already have with the game if they add it. If they do add it then you both deserve what you get.

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My guess is that there will be 100 threads about afker bots and ninjas the first week after they add a LFG. They all will be telling Bioware to fix it asap.

 

How many of those threads do you see pop up now? Not many but you will when LFG comes around.

 

Just checked the WoW boards, nope, no posts about bots in the LFD. Invalid complaint is invalid

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Just wait till we start seeing the main bodies of raid guilds recruiting only their friends or geared referrals that've applied on their guild forum, gone through whatever interview process the guild administrative body thinks is good and calling for pugs in general gets you pilloried for a half hour.

 

Ahh, the good* ol' days.

 

 

*: terrible

 

Applying for a guild was way harder than applying for a B1-B2 US visa lol.

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Because the servers can not police themselves. In a LFG system the bad player that afks or ninjas can continue to keep doing it. Without a LFG auto invite system the player that does this will get the reputatation and after a while will not get invited to any groups because of what he did.

What it also adds is the people who will begin ninjaing stuff because they got stuff ninjaed from them.

 

There is no good that comes from a auto invite LFG system its just Bioware asking for 10x more problems then they already have with the game if they add it. If they do add it then you both deserve what you get.

 

That's not true. I was in fleet respeccing heals a few weeks agoand I noticed a guy literally going off his handle in fleet with terrible insults towards jews and other races. I've been keeping my eye on this level 50 player (i'm withholding his name), I often /who him every now and then and he still finds his way into groups.

 

You cannot stop people from finding groups if they aer bad, rude, or ignorant. sorry. All you can do is block them guilds but that isn't an issue with the X-LFD.

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That is exactly what i dont understand......exactly HOW will it kill the community? Not being able to add to your ignore list? Why does it matter...I simply don't understand how spamming General chat is a better community then just clicking a button and going to smash things into oblivion for fun....

 

I can grant you that there is very little community developed as of yet but, generally speaking, the character of what does exist is pretty good. While there are many complaints about the game, there is a reasonably low level of complaining about player behavior. Many view the cross-server features as degrading the quality and nature of community which is pretty much an impediment to the chance of it flourishing.

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I don't care or believe about that whole "it killed the community" ****. I don't want it because I have absolutely no interest in playing with someone who I will NEVER *********** see or play with again. If my friends aren't on, I want to play with potential new friends/guildies, not some 15 year old ******* who are gonna come in and need on every last piece of gear for every single one of their companions or their "vendor set".
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Because the servers can not police themselves. In a LFG system the bad player that afks or ninjas can continue to keep doing it. Without a LFG auto invite system the player that does this will get the reputatation and after a while will not get invited to any groups because of what he did.

 

I've never seen an AFK in a LFG group in WoW that couldn't be kicked then replaced by someone who wants to play the game.

 

Now, if a Xserver LFD is implemented in SWTOR (which it will), ninja-looting shouldn't be an excuse anymore.

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I can grant you that there is very little community developed as of yet but, generally speaking, the character of what does exist is pretty good. While there are many complaints about the game, there is a reasonably low level of complaining about player behavior. Many view the cross-server features as degrading the quality and nature of community which is pretty much an impediment to the chance of it flourishing.

 

I don't see anyone even talking about the SWTOR in any positive light. It's not bad per say, just seems really like a void that doesn't want to be filled.

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My guess is that there will be 100 threads about afker bots and ninjas the first week after they add a LFG. They all will be telling Bioware to fix it asap.

 

How many of those threads do you see pop up now? Not many but you will when LFG comes around.

 

 

Systems of reward distribution are at fault for both allowing AFKers to benefit by AFKing as well as ninja looters to be able to do so in the first place.

 

There would also be posts about griefers sabotaging runs; how do we address any of these issues presently?

 

Purchasable name change and server transfers did all the harm LFG tools get blamed for to the erosion of mob justice's power anyway.

 

All LFG tools could possibly do is put you in contact with more of the playerbase more often, which will absolutely put you in contact with more trolls and griefers as well.

 

Did cross server LFG tools encourage them to be like that? Frankly, it probably didn't have much impact one way or another. The douchenozzle that was griefing in ways he could get away with before such tools were implemented was still griefing after.

 

'Bads' were still being 'bad' too.

 

The factor of anonymity breeding contempt for behaving is true. But I think the issue you want to look at is paid-for name changes and paid-for server transfers.

 

Not, of course, that anybody looking at projected profits on implementing such systems is going to care what you, I or anyone thinks about 'community' or 'reputations'.

 

Follow the money. There's where the future's gonna be.

 

We'll have cross server LFG tools eventually. They're successful implementations that, per the metrics revealed in other games at least, please most of the people most of the time. Pleased people subscribe; displeased people don't.

 

We'll have paid-for name changes and server transfers eventually as well. Who knows when, but it's pretty much free money for a job that can be entirely automated and, if implemented to a high standard of quality and provisioned with a small amount of competent, qualified human oversight, probably won't push CS load into overdrive.

 

 

These are near certainties. They're as nearly certain as that the 2014 Toyota hybrids will have air conditioning and may have premium options for heated seats and USB/wi-fi enabled sound systems with iPod docks.

 

The misattribution of community damage to LFG tools though...that doesn't help anybody, and it's not even correct.

 

See again paid-for name changes and server transfers and factor for yourself where isolated server populations lost their actual (and in my opinion, frequently abused) powers of mob justice.

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I saw a major difference after LFD was implemented in WoW. Perhaps you didn't play that much. The ones that want LFD are usually parents with work and family that have 2 hours to play a day. Why do I have to suffer because you are a busy person?

Perhaps you haven't seen the change in WoW because of LFD, but I have.

 

Recruiting into guilds became an absolute horror. Instead of spamming for "looking for x for dungeon y" we had to spam Guild Recruitment advertisement and we had sooo maaany bad players because we couldn't really test them before inviting, their applications were often very good. So our guild had low progress.

 

Also, before LFD I was constantly meeting new friends in dungeons, some of these friends lasted after 5 years and we still talk and play other games together. I haven't met a single new friend after LFD was implemented, not a single one.

Before LFD people would know each other, I'd be on someone's friend list because he knew I could heal well, I had plenty of great players on my list, after LFD it did not matter, because we had our own guilds and dungeons within the Realm were pointless.

 

Also, Dugneons lost it's charm, we went there, but just for the daily, nothing else, no one needs to talk at all, because why bother? We aren't going to meet again most likely, right? So we do our thing as if it was single player not an MMO.

 

And so my conclusion is this - people are complaining that TOR feels like a single player now, imagine how it will feel when you don't even socialise in it, because after 1 press of a button you find yourself in a dungeon with people you don't know, never said a word to and probably never talk to ever again. Now THAT will feel like a single player with Co-OP, and nothing else.

 

There was Community in WoW, perhaps you were on a different server, I was on a RP, RP-PVP one, and there were groups of people that were well known by the whole server, some were hated, some were respected, but there was this "something" that was gone after LFD. And I am not the only one thinking that, because I've had many conversations about it with many people in WoW. I haven't met a single person there that said it's a great tool.

Once again, different servers, different people, but that's my point of view.

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I don't see anyone even talking about the SWTOR in any positive light. It's not bad per say, just seems really like a void that doesn't want to be filled.

 

Funny, I see alot of pro SWTOR posts and me and some of my friends love it. Most of thes threads that run so long are as such because of well-developed factions on both sides. It even seems you spend alot of time refuting the type of posts you say you don't see.

 

if you aren't seeing any positives is this change gonna make this game a good one for you?

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