The thing about this thread is that the forums and mod posts are going to become like wows are now. They really only respond to "fun" or unimportant threads because of people like you.

Yes, asking were something is isn't bad in itself, but the constant BW bashing is going to make it so they don't post ANY info on upcoming things.

WOW did that at first, but then when something wasn't exactly like it was posted they were flamed for months about it.

Now they give just the most basic info and say that's what you get. I don't blame them. Why would anyone want to read 25 pages of the same people calling them idiots.

I have a grand idea, if you can do better and keep 100% of your customers happy put out your own game. I would gladly pay and play.

Sometimes things happen, deal with it. If you can't then there are always options for people like you.

Was I disappointed at some of the things that weren't EXACTLY like they said? Sure.

Am I going to be a baby and cry about it for months on end? No.

I going to play the hand I was dealt and hope for a better one next deal.

People like me make things happen. People like me call people out on their bullcrap. People like me don't let others walk all over them and hope things turn out better next time. People like you are taken advantage of. People like you are sheep.

You're right there is an option for people like me and we are expressing it every day on these forums. Have a look around, if you can keep your head out of the sand long enough. How's the game doing so far?

If BW isn't able to implement a change, they should come out and say so. Be upfront about it. Not avoid questions on a game we pay to play. They knew exactly what they were doing. Do you take this treatment from all your service providers? No need to answer as I already know the answer. I take my business elsewhere.

The thing about this thread is that the forums and mod posts are going to become like wows are now. They really only respond to "fun" or unimportant threads because of people like you.

Yes, asking were something is isn't bad in itself, but the constant BW bashing is going to make it so they don't post ANY info on upcoming things.

WOW did that at first, but then when something wasn't exactly like it was posted they were flamed for months about it.

Now they give just the most basic info and say that's what you get. I don't blame them. Why would anyone want to read 25 pages of the same people calling them idiots.

I have a grand idea, if you can do better and keep 100% of your customers happy put out your own game. I would gladly pay and play.

Sometimes things happen, deal with it. If you can't then there are always options for people like you.

Was I disappointed at some of the things that weren't EXACTLY like they said? Sure.

Am I going to be a baby and cry about it for months on end? No.

I going to play the hand I was dealt and hope for a better one next deal.

If by, "people like you", you mean someone who won't just bend over and take it up the ... by Bioware when Bioware has deceived them, then you can count me in the ranks of "people like you." too. And if Bioware continues to lie in order to get more of their players' money -- which, by the way, is a little more serious than not keeping 100% of its customers happy -- then the worst thing a player can do is cower and not speak out in fear of offending Bioware. So don't sit up there on your high horse and accuse any of us of being babies for speaking out when we have presented proof positive that we have been wronged by Bioware; because real men speak out to right wrongs. You go ahead and keep playing and keep hoping for that better deal next time, Neville Chamberlain.

People like me make things happen. People like me call people out on their bullcrap. People like me don't let others walk all over them and hope things turn out better next time. People like you are taken advantage of. People like you are sheep.

 

You're right there is an option for people like me and we are expressing it every day on these forums. Have a look around, if you can keep your head out of the sand long enough. How's the game doing so far?

 

If BW isn't able to implement a change, they should come out and say so. Be upfront about it. Not avoid questions on a game we pay to play. They knew exactly what they were doing. Do you take this treatment from all your service providers? No need to answer as I already know the answer. I take my business elsewhere.

people with this attitude. are the ppl that have their take-away turn up 1 hour late and cold. i wouldn't eat at a restaurant with this kinda of peson, coz you know your food will be spat in. they call up customer services F'ing and blinding, then wonder why nothing is fixed. i'd love to know what you get done? you really think your attitude will change the work practice of a comapany as big as EA and BW? coz the only change you will help make is this kinga change.

i can see it now.

Dev A) lets tell the community about patch 1.3

Dev B) lets check, check and check again that we can deliver everythng we want, or (bad attitude poster), will cry again

Dev A) good point. out of our 1.7millions subs the last thing we want to do is upset the (bad attitude poster), he might flame us and call us liars again, last time i couldn't sleep for weeks

Dev B) better idea lets not say anything at all, lets release the patch notes, the day the patch comes out and have that as all the warning of the changes we plan on making

forum community) thanks (bad attitude forum poster), now we understand what you mean by you get things done, because you've gone and done it now

because in the real world. you talk to ppl like sh*t, you get treated like sh*t. you talk to some1 like a human and in general you find their happy to help. although i wonder do you really walk around with the attitude you portray, or do you just let the darkside come out when you have the protection of anonymity hiding behind you monitor?

get things done. lol get real

People like me make things happen. People like me call people out on their bullcrap. People like me don't let others walk all over them and hope things turn out better next time. People like you are taken advantage of. People like you are sheep.

 

You're right there is an option for people like me and we are expressing it every day on these forums. Have a look around, if you can keep your head out of the sand long enough. How's the game doing so far?

 

If BW isn't able to implement a change, they should come out and say so. Be upfront about it. Not avoid questions on a game we pay to play. They knew exactly what they were doing. Do you take this treatment from all your service providers? No need to answer as I already know the answer. I take my business elsewhere.

I do look around, and not just here on the forum, where pretty much only the pessimistic come to post. I look all over, and more importantly, ingame, where most people don't even post on forums or commentaries, but like to talk about the game ingame.

The majority are quite happy.

If by, "people like you", you mean someone who won't just bend over and take it up the ... by Bioware when Bioware has deceived them, then you can count me in the ranks of "people like you." too. And if Bioware continues to lie in order to get more of their players' money -- which, by the way, is a little more serious than not keeping 100% of its customers happy -- then the worst thing a player can do is cower and not speak out in fear of offending Bioware. So don't sit up there on your high horse and accuse any of us of being babies for speaking out when we have presented proof positive that we have been wronged by Bioware; because real men speak out to right wrongs. You go ahead and keep playing and keep hoping for that better deal next time, Neville Chamberlain.

Ok McCarthy.

people with this attitude. are the ppl that have their take-away turn up 1 hour late and cold. i wouldn't eat at a restaurant with this kinda of peson, coz you know your food will be spat in. they call up customer services F'ing and blinding, then wonder why nothing is fixed. i'd love to know what you get done? you really think your attitude will change the work practice of a comapany as big as EA and BW? coz the only change you will help make is this kinga change.

 

i can see it now.

 

Dev A) lets tell the community about patch 1.3

Dev B) lets check, check and check again that we can deliver everythng we want, or (bad attitude poster), will cry again

Dev A) good point. out of our 1.7millions subs the last thing we want to do is upset the (bad attitude poster), he might flame us and call us liars again, last time i couldn't sleep for weeks

Dev B) better idea lets not say anything at all, lets release the patch notes, the day the patch comes out and have that as all the warning of the changes we plan on making

forum community) thanks (bad attitude forum poster), now we understand what you mean by you get things done, because you've gone and done it now

 

because in the real world. you talk to ppl like sh*t, you get treated like sh*t. you talk to some1 like a human and in general you find their happy to help. although i wonder do you really walk around with the attitude you portray, or do you just let the darkside come out when you have the protection of anonymity hiding behind you monitor?

 

get things done. lol get real

People with your attitude are what is wrong with todays world. You accept the mediocre. Your entire post is completely backwards. People like me don't accept delivered food if it's cold. I treat people exactly how they deserve to be treated. If I pay for a service, no matter what it may be, I expect to get what I am paying for. I expect a company to deliver what they say they are going to deliver. Your interpetation of my get things done statement is very telling of your world view. With a company a big as BW I can't make a change by myself, I accept that. Thing is, it's not just me and that is what you are not seeing.

Yes, I really do walk around with this attitude. I don't need the protection of anonymity because of it. That's what make us different. I'm no sheep.

Enjoy your 56k connection while paying for cable. Enjoy your unlimitted data plan until you reach 2 gig. Enjoy being stomped on by every company you deal with for fear of them being too big to change. Enjoy your occupy protest sheep.

people with this attitude. are the ppl that have their take-away turn up 1 hour late and cold. i wouldn't eat at a restaurant with this kinda of peson, coz you know your food will be spat in. they call up customer services F'ing and blinding, then wonder why nothing is fixed. i'd love to know what you get done? you really think your attitude will change the work practice of a comapany as big as EA and BW? coz the only change you will help make is this kinga change.

 

i can see it now.

 

Dev A) lets tell the community about patch 1.3

Dev B) lets check, check and check again that we can deliver everythng we want, or (bad attitude poster), will cry again

Dev A) good point. out of our 1.7millions subs the last thing we want to do is upset the (bad attitude poster), he might flame us and call us liars again, last time i couldn't sleep for weeks

Dev B) better idea lets not say anything at all, lets release the patch notes, the day the patch comes out and have that as all the warning of the changes we plan on making

forum community) thanks (bad attitude forum poster), now we understand what you mean by you get things done, because you've gone and done it now

 

because in the real world. you talk to ppl like sh*t, you get treated like sh*t. you talk to some1 like a human and in general you find their happy to help. although i wonder do you really walk around with the attitude you portray, or do you just let the darkside come out when you have the protection of anonymity hiding behind you monitor?

 

get things done. lol get real

This is exactly what I was talking about. By the people crying and calling the devs names we won't see any patch notes, except for the very base of ideas. Things that take no testing and are very trivial. The big things we won't hear about. I for one understand that bugs and the like can escape notice and make it into the game. I also understand that things happen and may only get noticed just before release, causing them to have to push back the release of it. Things happen. Crying about it won't (yes, I said won't) change anything.

Say the 30 people here unsub, for one I will be happy to see you leave. You aren't welcome here because you bring my play experience down. How do you do that? You make the devs and forum mods not want to give us news about stuff and you drive other newer players away.

You asked if I am happy with the way the game is now? For a brand new mmo, yes, I am very happy with it so far.

Do I think it should be polished and shiny like more established mmo's that have been around for years? No, that won't happen for years.

I am not happy with cold food when it gets to me. Do I sit there like a spoiled brat jumping up and down calling the waitstaff and chefs names because it's cold? Absolutely not, I understand that something may have happened. I understand I am not the only person in the establishment and that things happen. I choose to say something about it so as not to offend others and still get the quality of food that I desired. A funny and weird way to go about it I know, but you know what? I get the food the way I wanted and nobody got upset.

Constructive posts make things happen, not "You lied to me!!!111!!!!11" waah.

You make yourself look like a child.

Everybody lies, yes, even you Mr. I don't like being lied to. Sometimes lies are required in daily life.

"No hunny, those pants don't make you look fat."

"The check is in the mail."

"Yes dear, I will have the dishes done when you get home."

"I'll get right on those tcp reports Mr. Boss guy."

All harmless lies that can deflect negative responses for a short time allowing you to get things done.

People with your attitude are what is wrong with todays world. You accept the mediocre. Your entire post is completely backwards. People like me don't accept delivered food if it's cold. I treat people exactly how they deserve to be treated. If I pay for a service, no matter what it may be, I expect to get what I am paying for. I expect a company to deliver what they say they are going to deliver. Your interpetation of my get things done statement is very telling of your world view. With a company a big as BW I can't make a change by myself, I accept that. Thing is, it's not just me and that is what you are not seeing.

 

Yes, I really do walk around with this attitude. I don't need the protection of anonymity because of it. That's what make us different. I'm no sheep.

 

Enjoy your 56k connection while paying for cable. Enjoy your unlimitted data plan until you reach 2 gig. Enjoy being stomped on by every company you deal with for fear of them being too big to change. Enjoy your occupy protest sheep.

"Mediocre"... That's completely subjective. I could say last night's supermoon was awesome, and you can retort with "Meh, mediocre." I could tell you that a massive solar flare just took out the planet Mercury, and that the resulting particle surge will take out all our satellites and cause auroras clear to the equator, and you can respond with "Meh, enjoy your mediocrity."

Also, yes, you do get what you pay for. A whole 50 cents a day. I'd say we're actually get MUCH more than we pay for. It costs four times that just for a "mediocre" lunch every day.

Ok McCarthy.

If you meant that as a compliment, thank you. However, if you meant it as an insult, you just failed; and you might want to google "venona." You see, years ago, information was declassified that indicated that McCarthy was correct with his accusations that the U.S. government had been infiltrated by communists. It turns out McCarthy was not the evil zealot that he has been made out to be by the liberal left but was actually a pretty good guy, so much so that he was one of Bobby Kennedy's best friends. Of course, you won't learn any of that from the liberal (socialist) run U.S Department of Education, the liberal run mainstream media, or the liberal run Public Broadcasting System because they have been perpetrating the myth about McCarthy for 50 years, all the while trying to indoctrinate American school children into socialism.

"Mediocre"... That's completely subjective. I could say last night's supermoon was awesome, and you can retort with "Meh, mediocre." I could tell you that a massive solar flare just took out the planet Mercury, and that the resulting particle surge will take out all our satellites and cause auroras clear to the equator, and you can respond with "Meh, enjoy your mediocrity."

 

Also, yes, you do get what you pay for. A whole 50 cents a day. I'd say we're actually get MUCH more than we pay for. It costs four times that just for a "mediocre" lunch every day.

Can anyone translate? All I see is BAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAA

Can anyone translate? All I see is BAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAA

Hahaha!! Nice. That's really funny.

I've got plenty of complaints and rants regarding some of BioWare's decisions. Just check my post history. But, I'm sorry, if I see unsubstantiated posts and purposeful hyperbole, even when it's stated in support of something valid, I'm going to call you out on it. Why? Because it actually hurts those valid points, not helps it.

Want to know what I feel personally? All of this "orange schematic system" that has come after launch and in the future should have come all at once, at launch. Every single appearance in the game should have been available since launch. That's how I feel.

But "lying"? Sorry, that's unrealistic hyperbole that I'm going to call out.

If you meant that as a compliment, thank you. However, if you meant it as an insult, you just failed; and you might want to google "venona." You see, years ago, information was declassified that indicated that McCarthy was correct with his accusations that the U.S. government had been infiltrated by communists. It turns out McCarthy was not the evil zealot that he has been made out to be by the liberal left but was actually a pretty good guy, so much so that he was one of Bobby Kennedy's best friends. Of course, you won't learn any of that from the liberal (socialist) run U.S Department of Education, the liberal run mainstream media, or the liberal run Public Broadcasting System because they have been perpetrating the myth about McCarthy for 50 years, all the while trying to indoctrinate American school children into socialism.

After a lot of recent analysis of VENONA, serious scholars have given McCarthy a score of 9 spies out of 159 occused. Damned liberals and their research. A 7.5% chance at being correct, as well as jumping the gun publically, I'd have racked him up as a security risk and Guantanomoed his butt, but he's conservative so outing spy and counterespionage operations (a la Cheney) is ok. His bluster bluster and impatience brought nothing to the debate, nor did it help the services actually trying to catch the actual spies. I'll wait for Colin Powel to be vindicated when they finally find those weapons of mass destruction instead, seems more likely...sometime in the future.

Anywho...

Did we ever reach the conclusion, are there new armor schematics in the game or not? I gathered after reading through about 15 pages that there might or might not be, and never reached a conclusion. I personally haven't seen hide nor hair of new weapons save for the "customized" and "elegant" series, nor have I seen any new recipes, schematics, or resulting armor pieces after 100's of missions (2 UWT characters x 5 running 12 hours/day).

I have seen legacy weapon tokens drop from Investigation missions taken at all levels, in case anyone was wondering. I now have about 6 such tokens saved up which are unsellable and basically useless. Other than that, nada.

So what is the final verdict? New orange armor or no? Coming in 1.3 then or no?

After a lot of recent analysis of VENONA, serious scholars have given McCarthy a score of 9 spies out of 159 occused. Damned liberals and their research. A 7.5% chance at being correct, as well as jumping the gun publically, I'd have racked him up as a security risk and Guantanomoed his butt, but he's conservative so outing spy and counterespionage operations (a la Cheney) is ok. His bluster bluster and impatience brought nothing to the debate, nor did it help the services actually trying to catch the actual spies. I'll wait for Colin Powel to be vindicated when they finally find those weapons of mass destruction instead, seems more likely...sometime in the future.

 

Anywho...

 

Did we ever reach the conclusion, are there new armor schematics in the game or not? I gathered after reading through about 15 pages that there might or might not be, and never reached a conclusion. I personally haven't seen hide nor hair of new weapons save for the "customized" and "elegant" series, nor have I seen any new recipes, schematics, or resulting armor pieces after 100's of missions (2 UWT characters x 5 running 12 hours/day).

 

I have seen legacy weapon tokens drop from Investigation missions taken at all levels, in case anyone was wondering. I now have about 6 such tokens saved up which are unsellable and basically useless. Other than that, nada.

 

So what is the final verdict? New orange armor or no? Coming in 1.3 then or no?

The devs answered the question in Friday's Q&A.

400k people like me make things happen. Tell us again how this game is doing?

Doing quite well, actually. 1.3 million active subs. Well above the typical MMO dropoff curve.

Now BioWare has their work cutout for them. If they want to do the atypical sub increase, they're going to have to get on the ball with server/transfers, endgame content, and appearances.

Doing quite well, actually. 1.3 million active subs. Well above the typical MMO dropoff curve.

 

Now BioWare has their work cutout for them. If they want to do the atypical sub increase, they're going to have to get on the ball with server/transfers, endgame content, and appearances.

LOL this is like a real life version of The Emperor's New Clothes! 25% loss since the last report. People not counted? People that left because of missing features that were supposed to be in 1.2. What a beautiful robe your majesty!

LOL this is like a real life version of The Emperor's New Clothes! 25% loss since the last report. People not counted? People that left because of missing features that were supposed to be in 1.2. What a beautiful robe your majesty!

Yep, 25%. Which is 10%+ LESS than the typical MMO.

Hey, numbers don't lie, man. And if you think BioWare's doing anything different to pad the numbers than any other developer, then I don't know what to tell you.

This is neither a defense nor an offense. It's just a statement of fact.

Thought this was funny:

http://www.darthhater.com/articles/swtor-news/20452-darth-hater-interview-game-update-1-3-with-swtor

One of the big things told to crafters to expect from 1.2 would be a multitude of new orange schematics being unlocked and added to the Crew Skills loot tables. The community discovered schematics for Elegant Weapons, PvP appearances, and reverse engineering schematics from Black Hole and Campaign gear so far. Is this still planned for implementation, or is the community overlooking another potential source for modded gear appearances?

 

Georg Zoeller, Lead Combat Designer: At any point in time, content planned for future release (or references to previously planned content or test content) may be found in the game resources. We have no comment about such resources.